The Born of God

[oceanblue]

I agree ! but Jesus also said 'except you be converted and 'become as little children, you shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven.

Yes I knew this was written in the bible.
And I knew sooner of later you would post it to me
seeing how you use the word CONVERTED several times.

At this present time I have no comment about it.
I will comment about it if and when I do.

 

[beta]

There are many variations of how one can enter into the Kingdom of God.
Even among the Apostles in the bible. I am not going to comment one way or the other
of the validity of their own experiences with God.

But I can say that it is the truth that there is only one way
that I know of to enter into the Kingdom of God.

The is to be born of God.

When 'born of God we will be in the Kgd of God.....just like a Baby is 'in this world when born.

 

[oceanblue]

When 'born of God we will be in the Kgd of God.....just like a Baby is 'in this world when born.

Have you ever experienced it?

 

[pckts]

I agree ! but Jesus also said 'except you be converted and 'become as little children, you shall not enter into the Kgd of heaven.
I think what needs to be considered here is that we are first ''children who need to learn before we can be ''adults to receive the HS. God always does things 'in order !

When Jesus says "become as little children", I believe he means you must have a pure heart like a child has to enter.

Our minds and bodies have the potential to grow or diminish over time, but our hearts/human spirit/emotions/souls are perfect at birth and can only degrade or return to it's former state of perfection. These modern lives in the end times wear a person down and add weight to our hearts or break them, it's not just "getting older" or "growing up" that creates depression or a lesser state than when we were children.

If we were adults with our strong minds and bodies, but had the life in our hearts of a child and that understanding of what is important (heavenly treasures), that is the Kingdom of Heaven. So we have to repent, believe the gospel, follow everything and have faith so that we can return to that heavenly state of mind.

 

[oceanblue]

Before you can understand any verse with the phrase "kingdom of heaven"
you first must know what is the "kingdom of heaven".

 

[pckts]

Before you can understand any verse with the phrase "kingdom of heaven"
you first must know what is the "kingdom of heaven".

And you are the bridge troll that guards all of these understandings.

 

[oceanblue]

And you are the bridge troll that guards all of these understandings.

I know this about me...I am not going to be punished for your sins.

 

[beta]

There is a big differance between being begotten and being born.
Just What Does it Mean to be [Born Again] ? that being born of God is a process,
inwhich there is a time element. Just as being born of the human flesh a process.

most places you see born- should read begotten, fashoned after real human reproduction
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (Rom. 8:14).

The unborn child in his mother’s womb is the child of his father and mother, though
not yet born—delivered from the womb. So are we, if God’s Spirit dwells in us

—if we are being led by God’s Spirit—children of God. Yet, at this time, we are
in the gestation state, not yet that parturition. And only heirs. Not inheritors!

Continue: “And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be [future—at resurrection] also
glorified together” (v.-17). Now see how this passage designates the resurrection
into glory—when we shall be spirit—as a birth!

“For the earnest expectation of the creature [creation] waiteth for the manifestation of
the sons of God”—that is the time of Christ’s coming to reign, and of the resurrection to
(being born of) spirit composition—“ because the creation itself also shall be delivered
[a birth] from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now”
Another comparison: We shall be delivered from this world (the Church is in, though not
of, this world) into the glorious World Tomorrow and the Kingdom which shall rule it.

The creation is waiting for this time of Christ’s coming, the resurrection, and the Kingdom
of God. Because the creation shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption.

Not now delivered—shall be—at the resurrection time! Although this is not referring
directly to our being born again, it is a direct comparison to the birth of a child being
delivered from its mother’s womb.

The resurrection—the time when we are changed to be spirit and to inherit the Kingdom
will be a time of delivery from the bondage of corruptible flesh and from this world of sin
—a real birth!

Romans 8: “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to
the image of his Son, that he [Jesus]might be the firstborn among many brethren” .

Now compare with Romans 1:3-4: “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God … by the resurrection from the dead.”

Jesus was, in the human flesh—His first birth—a descendant of David, and, by the
resurrection from the dead (born again) —the Son of God, now no longer human, but
composed of spirit—a spirit being. He thus became the first so born of many brethren
who shall be born again at the time of the resurrection of those who are Christ’s.

Of course we understand, and so did Paul in writing the above, that Jesus was also
the Son of God while in the human flesh. Though born of a human woman, He was
sired by God. But this is comparing the two births—the one from the human Mary,
as descended from the human David—the other, by His resurrection to glory,
as Son of God by His resurrection, in the same manner we may be.

Emphatically this does not imply that Jesus was a sinner needing salvation.
He was the pioneer, setting us the example, that we, too, may be born of God.

“For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for
the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body [flesh],
that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body …” (Phil. 3:20-21).

And what is Christ’s glorious body like? His eyes are as flames of fire
—His face bright as the sun atfull strength (Rev. 1:14-16).

Just What Do You Mean Born Again? that being born of God is a process,
inwhich there is a time element. Just as being born of the human flesh a process.

At the time when the father begets and the mother conceives—of the union of
sperm cell and ovum—the fertilized ovum becomes an embryo. But it is not yet
delivered from the womb—not yet born! And will not be for nine months.

A pregnancy is in progress. Yet during this period of physical development and
growth, it is the unborn child of its parents. In like manner, at the time when

the Spirit Father, God, begets a human with the Spirit (the spiritual counterpart
of the physical sperm)—the Holy Spirit—he becomes a son of God!

He is then already a son of God.

But he is still human—he is still material flesh and blood. He must now
undergo a period (until death, the resurrection) of spiritual development
and growth. He is in the gestation state in the process toward being born.

He is in the Church of God, but the Church is not the Kingdom of God.
The Church is composed of human, flesh-and-blood children of God.
And, flesh and blood cannot see, cannot enter into, cannot,ninherit the Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom of God is made up ofspirit-composed children of God.
The Spirit-begotten human in the Church is in the process of being born of God,
but he has not yetentered the Kingdom of God. He has not yet been born of God.

He[we] is in the gestation state toward spirit birth, but not yet born of the Spirit.
He yet has a lot of spiritual developing and growing to do—acquiring the spiritual
character-image of God.

He that overcometh shall [inherit all things]; and I will be his God,
and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7
what does it mean to [inherit all things] ?

Hebrews chapter 1: “God … Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things [Moffatt and others, the universe],

by whom also he made the worlds; Who, being the brightness of his glory, [Moffatt]
stamped with God’s own character and upholding [sustaining] the universe by the word
of his power …” (Heb. 1:1-3). All power, in heaven and Earth (Matt. 28:18), has been
given to Christ. He is now Chief Executive of God’s government of the universe.

Now begin with Hebrews 2:6; a citation from Psalm 8:4-6:

“What is man, that thou art mindful of him?”
Yes, why should the great God be concerned about us mortals?

Why did He put us here on Earth? What is the purpose of life—what
is our transcendent potential? It is so far above and beyond anything you
have thought or imagined, it seems shockingly incredible to even amange!

verse 7: “Thou madest him a little lower than the angels ….” Some translations
have it,“for a little while lower than the angels.” Continue: “[T]hou crownedst
him [kingship] with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands”
—that is, God’s creation. Continue:

“Thou hast put all things [Moffatt: the universe] in subjection under his feet.
For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him..

“… But now [in this present gestation state] we see not yet all things
[the universe] put under him” (v. 8). But what do we see, now?
“But we see Jesus … crowned with glory and honour …” (v.-9).

“For it became him [Jesus], for whom are all things, and by whom are all things,
in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain [margin: leader—or,
forerunner, pioneer—the One who has gone on before us, as we are to follow]
of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who
are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren”
(vv. 10-11).

He is the firstborn of many brethren! He has inherited “all things”
We are still heirs—still in the gestation stage of the process of being born
of God. Jesus is now our High Priest, supervising our spiritual development
—preparing us to be kings and priests, reigning with Him!

The first thousand years we shall reign on the Earth. For He shall have
“made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth”
(Rev. 5:10).

For that first thousand years, Jesus is to reign on the throne of His earthly
ancestor David in Jerusalem (Isa. 9:6-7). And, “he that overcometh,
and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power
over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron …”

Jesus said, again, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with
me in my throne [at Jerusalem], even as I also overcame, and am [now]
set down with my Father in his throne”[in heaven] (Rev. 3:21).

When born of God, we shall be spirit, no longer human flesh and blood.
We shall be given power! As Daniel revealed, the saints then shall take
the kingdoms of Earth’s nations and rule them—for the first thousand years.

This is a wonderful Truth very few Christians know and understand !!!

 

[oceanblue]

This is a wonderful Truth very few Christians know and understand !!!

Why would that be seeing how all of you are of the same spirit

and seeing how all of you have the mind of Christ?

 

[oceanblue]

One thing I have observed over a period of time is how people that read the bible
and take that which is written in the bible as the scriptures or the word of God...
seldom understand correctly the intent to that which it was written.

In fact even them who walked with Jesus during His ministry upon earth
disputed and argued with each other over doctrinal issues after Jesus left them to return to heaven.

Now is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture?

 

[oceanblue]

But I would have to say that most all the time the reason a person
misunderstands the intent of that which is written in the bible is due to
them trying to fit what they read into what they want to believe.

Not trying to know the truth be it as it may no matter which side of the
coin it will fall upon.

Therefore the deceitful shall be deceived.

 

[oceanblue]

Matthew
Chapter 18

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus,
saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him,
and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted,
and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child,
the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[oceanblue]

Matthew
Chapter 18

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus,
saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him,
and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted,
and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child,
the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

 

[beta]

But I would have to say that most all the time the reason a person
misunderstands the intent of that which is written in the bible is due to
them trying to fit what they read into what they want to believe.

Not trying to know the truth be it as it may no matter which side of the
coin it will fall upon.

Therefore the deceitful shall be deceived.

A person misunderstanding scripture is someone not yet perfected.

 

[beta]

Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Why are you asking a question that has already been answered in your post ?

 

[oceanblue]

A person misunderstanding scripture is someone not yet perfected.

How does a evil spirit become perfected?

 

[oceanblue]

Why are you asking a question that has already been answered in your post ?

Some things have to be experienced before you can know the truth.

Answer it and find out.

 

[beta]

Why would that be seeing how all of you are of the same spirit

and seeing how all of you have the mind of Christ?

WHO are 'all of you ? can you not see how not all are of the same spirit ? how not all have the mind of Christ ? have you not yet learned to 'discern the spirits ? but you are still lacking experience due to your tender age...no offence intended.

 

[beta]

Some things have to be experienced before you can know the truth.

Answer it and find out.

afraid that is not quite true, there is such a thing as 'faith which depends on things not seen'....nor experienced to count as fact.

 

[oceanblue]

WHO are 'all of you ? can you not see how not all are of the same spirit ? how not all have the mind of Christ ? have you not yet learned to 'discern the spirits ? but you are still lacking experience due to your tender age...no offence intended.

It is easy to discern the difference between holy and unholy spirits.