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Therapon

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I was invited to teach Bible prophecy to a couple of dozen Bible teachers living several hundred miles from here. While discussing how the church should be separate from the world, one of those worthies pipes up with, "Our church has a Buddhist bongo player."

Trying not to laugh, I ask, "And how did that come about?"

"Well, our church’s band needed a bongo player and this Buddhist was the only one they could find so they hired him."

With my jaw down to my chest in disbelief, I ask, "and how is that working out for you?"

"Well, this guy sits in the lotus position in the foyer before the service and does his "oh-mad-ne-pad-ne-hum" thing, or whatever, he then joins the band during the service."

"Unbelievable, and why is your church permitting it?"

"They claim they are ‘discipling’ him."

Now I can’t help myself and I’m cracking up. Knowing this particular teacher to be a sound brother who believes every word of the Bible, I just had to ask him, "What in the world are you doing in that church?"

"I’m there as a missionary!"

The rest of the Bible teaches were nodding their heads in agreement and one said, "We’re all in our churches as missionaries. In fact, we don’t know of a single major Bible believing church in our city."

So what’s new? The leaders of the "church" during Jesus’ time, the Pharisees, were also in apostasy so God sent John the Baptist to warn the Jewish people of the coming of His Son, an event called in Malachi, "the great and terrible day of the Lord." And what was John’s message to the people? It wasn’t, "lovey-dovey, we’ll all be raptured out." Instread, John taught a baptism of repentance.

I’m now 85 years old, a WW II vet who during his lifetime has pretty much seen it all. It’s been a pretty good life despite my many failings, but now, as I watch our country fall, I’m overcome by an oppressive sense of foreboding that I’m unable to shake – and I’m not alone! Many fellow Christians feel the same way. The final "hour of trial" is upon us, beginning probably with the total collapse of the world’s economic systems, followed by anarchy . . .

Ezekiel 14:13-14 "Son of man, if a country sins against Me by committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand against it, destroy its supply of bread, send famine against it and cut off from it both man and beast, even though these three men, Noah, Daniel and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves,' declares the Lord GOD."

Isn’t the above true today, as we see natural disasters increasing everywhere? Not only in our land, but around the world? We were once the richest country on Earth, but not anymore. Are not the next few verses also about us, and are not these days here as well?

James 5:1-3 (NASB) "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure! Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you; and the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter."

For many years I lived just like the above, caring little about anyone but myself. Now I anguish over the wimpy social clubs our churches have become. I weep as I see our children led astray by an immoral media, godless teachers and false religions. I agonize over how spiritually blind we as a people have become. America was once the Christian lighthouse of the world, but that’s all over. In 535 B.C., a Bible prophet saw the following . . .

Zechariah 11:16 "For behold, I am going to raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for the perishing, seek the scattered, heal the broken, or sustain the one standing (godless leadership), but will devour the flesh of the fat sheep and tear off their hoofs . . ."

Because the spiritual hoofs have been torn off our people by self-serving church leaders who know not God, we no longer know how to walk the Christian walk.

It wasn’t always that way. Many Christian brethren died at Bunker Hill. Two thousand more, freezing, ill clothed and starving, died at Valley Forge. Untold numbers died in the Civil war, the Spanish-American war, in both World Wars, in Korea, in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan . . . and for what? They died for what we used to be, not for what we have become. We are not worthy of their deaths. Instead of repenting, we worry about how to protect our assets when the dollar goes belly up or the stock market crashes, as they surely will. Just before the fall of Jerusalem in 586 B.C., the godly sighed and groaned over the abominations committed in their midst, but do we?

Ezekiel 9:4 "The LORD said to him, ‘Go through the midst of the city. . . and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst.’ And to the others (angels) he said in mine hearing, ‘Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.’ Then they began at the ancient men (the church leaders) which were before the house" (of the Lord, i.e., the Church).

Do you believe sovereign God, Creator of the Universe, is going to act differently now, just because you go to your spiritually dying church on Sunday, know the four spiritual laws, and say the sinners prayer? As He did in Israel so long ago, the Lord is once again putting His mark on His remnant. If you have that mark, you know it, because you recognize the lateness of the hour. How late? It’s almost time to obey . . .

Isaiah 26:20-27:1 (NAS) " Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; and the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover her slain. In that day the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, with His fierce and great and mighty sword
(the word of God), Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; and He will kill the dragon (Satan) who lives in the sea (of people)."

Several years ago, a godly old pastor told me with a sigh, "I don’t see the Holy Spirit working in the hearts of the unsaved like I used to."

"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man." Genesis 6:3

It’s not going to be easy for us from here on out . . .

Amos 5:18-20 "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD (comes during a time of spiritual) darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the LORD (come during a time of spiritual) darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?"

Night no longer cometh when no man can work, it is here. John 9:4

If you’re not crying inside, you should be. I certainly am.
 
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You sound like a member in one of these gangs here in chicago. The buddhist is accepted by those men, as he is accepted of the Lord. Eternal life is not in the bible, but in men given to us in Christ Jesus.

Even though a man may worship what you believe to be an idol, you know that an idol is nothing. It can neither heal nor kill. But his spirit testifies to Christ, and so does every man who abides in love.
 
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kenisyes

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The problem is the Buddhist should not be in ministry. Especially not in one so prominent as setting the beat for the music. (If there is another drum, the bongos are completely unnecessary. The greatest problem is that no one is able to recognize that the music is not the way it should be, and thus the response in the church is not what it should be. And then, they are paying him? (The word used is "hired"). This is not "discipling", it is "being yoked with unbelievers".
 
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Indubitably

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Just unbelievable! Do I really have to write how I feel above this?

If you don't know me well yet, read the reply immediately before this one and triple it in intensity.

God help us!
 
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Therapon

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You sound like a member in one of these gangs here in chicago. The buddhist is accepted by those men, as he is accepted of the Lord. Eternal life is not in the bible, but in men given to us in Christ Jesus.

Even though a man may worship what you believe to be an idol, you know that an idol is nothing. It can neither heal nor kill. But his spirit testifies to Christ, and so does every man who abides in love.
Wow!!! I struck a nerve, ROTFL. It must be your church with the Buddhist bongo player, LOL. I was not being critical of the Buddhist, my friend, but the church. What does the word "church" mean? It is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which means "the called out ones;'" in other words, the church should have only those in it who are committed to Jesus.
 
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Therapon

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The problem is the Buddhist should not be in ministry. Especially not in one so prominent as setting the beat for the music. (If there is another drum, the bongos are completely unnecessary. The greatest problem is that no one is able to recognize that the music is not the way it should be, and thus the response in the church is not what it should be. And then, they are paying him? (The word used is "hired"). This is not "discipling", it is "being yoked with unbelievers".
I wasn't trying to make any particular doctrinal point, just pointing out the ever incresing worldliness in the church. I've been around a long time and remember how sober and vigilant most churches were 70 years ago.
 
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Therapon

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Just unbelievable! Do I really have to write how I feel above this?

If you don't know me well yet, read the reply immediately before this one and triple it in intensity.

God help us!
Brother, I don't expect to be popular and what I write rarely is, nevertheless, I serve the Lord as best I can. It is to he that hath an ear.
 
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Wow!!! I struck a nerve, ROTFL. It must be your church with the Buddhist bongo player, LOL. I was not being critical of the Buddhist, my friend, but the church. What does the word "church" mean? It is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which means "the called out ones;'" in other words, the church should have only those in it who are committed to Jesus.
I do not go to church, I simply discern spirits. I also do not concern myself with meanings of words in greek or hebrew. But since you bring it up, who here is not called? Has He not called both Jew and Greek? Or are these that you would then argue are in Christ?

And I will end that as well as to how can this be, when in Christ there is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK?

For this reason we are to love our enemies, for whom Christ died that He may be Lord of both the living and the dead.
 
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Wow!!! I struck a nerve, ROTFL. It must be your church with the Buddhist bongo player, LOL. I was not being critical of the Buddhist, my friend, but the church. What does the word "church" mean? It is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which means "the called out ones;'" in other words, the church should have only those in it who are committed to Jesus.
And do the called out ones not come together, more than one, then is Christ not also there?

So what has the building got to do with anything?

Should Christ have told teh tax collectors, or even Judas to leave his home and no longer eat with him?
 
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kenisyes

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I wasn't trying to make any particular doctrinal point, just pointing out the ever incresing worldliness in the church. I've been around a long time and remember how sober and vigilant most churches were 70 years ago.
The first step in correcting any such nonsense should be the quoting of the appropriate Scripture. that's what I was hoping to do. I feel just as strongly as you do about it, maybe even more about this particular case, as I am/was in music leadership for a lifetime.
 
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Therapon

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I do not go to church, I simply discern spirits. I also do not concern myself with meanings of words in greek or hebrew. But since you bring it up, who here is not called? Has He not called both Jew and Greek? Or are these that you would then argue are in Christ?

And I will end that as well as to how can this be, when in Christ there is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK?

For this reason we are to love our enemies, for whom Christ died that He may be Lord of both the living and the dead.
I truly have no idea what you are trying to prove. I merely pointied out the lack orf discipline in the church, our need for repentance, and how close we are to the return of the Lord. Noithing to do with Jew or Gentile, who is saved and who isn't.
 
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Wow!!! I struck a nerve, ROTFL. It must be your church with the Buddhist bongo player, LOL. I was not being critical of the Buddhist, my friend, but the church. What does the word "church" mean? It is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which means "the called out ones;'" in other words, the church should have only those in it who are committed to Jesus.
I truly have no idea what you are trying to prove. I merely pointied out the lack orf discipline in the church, our need for repentance, and how close we are to the return of the Lord. Noithing to do with Jew or Gentile, who is saved and who isn't.

Lack of discipline?? Because a buddhist attends service? This sounds just like what a G.D would say to the other G.D's on the block if a B.D was there! Lol. But what was once adulterers and fornicators and thieves and murderers go, but heaven forbid the buddhist?

Please, I know you mean well, but do it not by tradition. Do it from the heart.
 
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Therapon

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Lack of discipline?? Because a buddhist attends service? This sounds just like what a G.D would say to the other G.D's on the block if a B.D was there! Lol. But what was once adulterers and fornicators and thieves and murderers go, but heaven forbid the buddhist?

Please, I know you mean well, but do it not by tradition. Do it from the heart.
I do, brother, you are misunderstanding the message.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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unfortunately a lot of churches make no effort to ensure that their musical worship leaders are spiritually mature christians...the only thing they demand is that the musicians have musical talent...

this doesn't always result in spiritual issues...but in this case apparently the buddhist drummer is also bringing buddhist chant into the church...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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But what was once adulterers and fornicators and thieves and murderers go, but heaven forbid the buddhist?
the difference is that buddhism is not just some sin...it is another religion...competing against the kingdom of christ...

it is possible for adulterers and thieves and so on to begin to follow christ...but by definition it is -not- possible for a buddhist to follow christ as long as they remain a buddhist...you either follow christ or the buddha...

and furthermore according to the first post in this thread...the buddhist is not just 'attending service'...that alone would not be a problem...but he is involved in -leading- worship...
 
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Therapon

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the difference is that buddhism is not just some sin...it is another religion...competing against the kingdom of christ...

it is possible for adulterers and thieves and so on to begin to follow christ...but by definition it is -not- possible for a buddhist to follow christ as long as they remain a buddhist...you either follow christ or the buddha...

and furthermore according to the first post in this thread...the buddhist is not just 'attending service'...that alone would not be a problem...but he is involved in -leading- worship...
Yes, and I was noit being critical of the Buddhist, but of the Church for not recognizing that only believers in Jesus should be worshiping together. That is not doctrine according to me, but a scriptural given. The church has NO power today because of the sin of Achan. It doesn't take a hundred unbelievers in the camp to weaken a church, just one will suit the enemy just fine.
 
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I merely pointied out the lack orf discipline in the church,
I agree with you.

The reference to the Buddhist is an excellent example of what is happening in most churches today, the righteous congregated with the unrighteous. The believers having fellowship with unbelievers. Scripture tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers….

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

But yet this is happening in many congregations. The following verses instruct the church what to do with brothers or sisters that continue to be disobedient to God’s Word and that is to put those wicked people from among us. Something the churches are failing to do today.

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

And yet many churches disregard the above verses allowing such members within it’s congregation.

If we allow those within the church, how can the church be presented holy and without blemish unto the Lord?


In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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Ariel82

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You sound like a member in one of these gangs here in chicago. The buddhist is accepted by those men, as he is accepted of the Lord. Eternal life is not in the bible, but in men given to us in Christ Jesus.

Even though a man may worship what you believe to be an idol, you know that an idol is nothing. It can neither heal nor kill. But his spirit testifies to Christ, and so does every man who abides in love.
are you one of those people who believe there are more than ONE path to Heaven and more doors to God than Jesus Christ?

I saw in another thread someone said you were Unitarian, which is the belief that everyone is saved no matter what they believe?

but I just wanted to know if it was true or not and if Colours shared your beliefs if it is.
 
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the difference is that buddhism is not just some sin...it is another religion...competing against the kingdom of christ...

it is possible for adulterers and thieves and so on to begin to follow christ...but by definition it is -not- possible for a buddhist to follow christ as long as they remain a buddhist...you either follow christ or the buddha...

and furthermore according to the first post in this thread...the buddhist is not just 'attending service'...that alone would not be a problem...but he is involved in -leading- worship...

This is confusion, and again the basics of what gangs do. G.D's are in COMPETITION with B.D's for money and territory, just as christianity and buddhism do with souls.
 
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are you one of those people who believe there are more than ONE path to Heaven and more doors to God than Jesus Christ?

I saw in another thread someone said you were Unitarian, which is the belief that everyone is saved no matter what they believe?

but I just wanted to know if it was true or not and if Colours shared your beliefs if it is.

There is only ONE way into heaven, and we all know it. The world knows this as death, few know Him as Christ who is Lord.