The Catholic Charismatic ATTACK EXPOSED!

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Jackson123

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We honor saints in heaven because they have attained the likeness (eikon / image) of God (2 Cor 3:18); “spirits of the righteous made perfect” (Heb 12:23). This is why we venerate them, because they reflect God’s glory and are His vessels.The painter is praised when his masterpiece is praised. It is His work. The saints are God’s workmanship, not man’s. Paul tells us to “imitate” him, which is a concept, it seems to me, similar to “honoring” or “veneration” (1 Cor 4:16, Phil 3:17, 2 Thess 3:7-9); and this is because he, in turn, imitates Christ (1 Cor 11:1, 1 Thess 1:6).
Bashing veneration to Mary is an insult to God's work, does violence to scripture and done out of ignorance.
my aunt is catholic, she pray to Mary,

what do you mean by honor? Is pray part of honor?

Do you believe they are omnipresent and able to hear billion catholic talk to them?
 

stonesoffire

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I search Google, seem to me they pray to Mary

Let us ask the Virgin Mary to obtain a renewed Pentecost for the Church again today, a Pentecost that will spread in everyone the joy of living and witnessing to the Gospel." - Pope Benedict XVI, May 11, 2008

Mary: A Charismatic Catholic


that statement show that catholic charismatic Arlington endorse praying to Mary.
Not all do Jackson. My opinion would be that only Catholics that attend services as habit only and no real faith would pray to Mary.

I worked for a couple who was of the movement. Strong in faith and knew truth. They held meetings in their own homes to be an influence. As I said before, many felt they were called to do this. Even some priests and nuns.
 

Jackson123

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Not all do Jackson. My opinion would be that only Catholics that attend services as habit only and no real faith would pray to Mary.

I worked for a couple who was of the movement. Strong in faith and knew truth. They held meetings in their own homes to be an influence. As I said before, many felt they were called to do this. Even some priests and nuns.
i hope more and more of them left they tradision and not pray to Mary anymore.
 

stonesoffire

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I only know what I saw in the beginning. Am not sure what's happening now, but I was invited to Christmas Mass last year from friends. And found out they were spirit filled on the ride to the church. Then found out the Priest who presides over the church is Spirit filled too. I saw love for the people from the Priest.

But, also experienced a spirit of elitism towards myself and daughter, because we were not catholic.

That was something I never saw at the Notre Dame movement. Must be the 'times.
 

Nehemiah6

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But, also experienced a spirit of elitism towards myself and daughter, because we were not catholic. That was something I never saw at the Notre Dame movement. Must be the 'times.
No it is not the 'times' by any means. The official Catholic teaching is that all non-Catholics are heretics and that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Because the RCC wants to draw everyone under its umbrella, they do not proclaim this from the housetops. But is has not changed since the Reformation.
 

Jackson123

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal

according to this link, charismatic catholic obey to both gospel and catholic teaching, than what is the different with regular catholic?


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Parishes that practice charismatic worship usually hold prayer meetings outside of Massand feature such gifts as prophecy, faith healing, and glossolalia. In Ann Arbor, Michigan, a Catholic church describes charismatic worship as "uplifted hands during songs and audible praying in tongues." It further distinguishes a charismatic congregation as one that emphasises complete surrender to Jesus in all parts of life, obedience tongboth the gospel and catholic teaching, as well as Christ-centred friendships.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][better s[/SUP]
 

Nehemiah6

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Jackson123

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More emotion, uplifted hands, glossolalia, etc. but staunchly Catholic. Actual surrender to Jesus would mean coming out of Babylon and Babylonian teachings.
Yep, we can not surrender to Jesus and obey to catholic teaching in the same time
 

KelbyofGod

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Have you ever wondered why the God of light would abide in clouds of darkness?

Partly it's because if you refuse to get your eyes off of the darkness you see, you'll be led astray by the darkness still abiding around the light within. (If thine eye be full of darkness, how great is that darkness).

Which of the people discussed in ANY thread of this forum is without blemish, a false belief, misunderstanding, etc? (including yourselves and the teachers you yourself follow.)

Have you not considered that if you claim to have the Holy Ghost within you, that he's put his righteous spirit in a vessel that gives itself to lusts, hatreds, misbeliefs, rebellions, etc. Do WE claim to have recieved his spirit and immediately walked perfectly with God? Or...would we prefer that the work God does in us be judged by what our circle of friends still does? Or.. would we like God to stop working on and with us just because we don't get some important messages the first time...or the 20th?

If you care about people, please go pray for those Catholics instead of just speaking bad about THEM behind their backs...thinking "God can't use them. They're dirtier than ME"
 

Jackson123

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Have you ever wondered why the God of light would abide in clouds of darkness?

Partly it's because if you refuse to get your eyes off of the darkness you see, you'll be led astray by the darkness still abiding around the light within. (If thine eye be full of darkness, how great is that darkness).

Which of the people discussed in ANY thread of this forum is without blemish, a false belief, misunderstanding, etc? (including yourselves and the teachers you yourself follow.)

Have you not considered that if you claim to have the Holy Ghost within you, that he's put his righteous spirit in a vessel that gives itself to lusts, hatreds, misbeliefs, rebellions, etc. Do WE claim to have recieved his spirit and immediately walked perfectly with God? Or...would we prefer that the work God does in us be judged by what our circle of friends still does? Or.. would we like God to stop working on and with us just because we don't get some important messages the first time...or the 20th?

If you care about people, please go pray for those Catholics instead of just speaking bad about THEM behind their backs...thinking "God can't use them. They're dirtier than ME"
God can use any body, but we have to love catholic by show them that pray to Mary is againt the bible teaching, not that we are holier than them, but because we learn to love them.

Yes we pray for them, but we also speak to them. Can you imagine If a pastor never go to church to preach, only pray at home?

if his member ask, he answere: I love you but I do not want to speak to you, I pray for you.
 

epostle

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No it is not the 'times' by any means. The official Catholic teaching is that all non-Catholics are heretics and that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Because the RCC wants to draw everyone under its umbrella, they do not proclaim this from the housetops. But is has not changed since the Reformation.
That is a lie. The Church has NEVER taught that.
 

epostle

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Yep, we can not surrender to Jesus and obey to catholic teaching in the same time
This is hate speech based on blind prejudice. You don't want to discuss these falsehoods, you just want to persecute Catholics with your bigotry.
 
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joefizz

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my aunt is catholic, she pray to Mary,

what do you mean by honor? Is pray part of honor?

Do you believe they are omnipresent and able to hear billion catholic talk to them?
A valid question.
 

epostle

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Not all do Jackson. My opinion would be that only Catholics that attend services as habit only and no real faith would pray to Mary.
You know the hearts of each and every Catholic that participates at Mass? WOW! You must be super holy to have that ability. Christians have been seeking Mary's intersession for 20 centuries...you guys talk as tyhough it was a disease. Throwing poop on Jesus' mother is not biblical.
 

Ezekiel8

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This is interesting. God has all ready reunified the West and the East and repaired that centuries old famous schism. Now will God bring the Charismatics in too? This could be a very good thing, the orthodoxy helps temper the strong faith and belief in miracles of the Charismatics, and some of their more wild and lurid beliefs and practices and the passion of the Charismatics helps give life and encouragement to the notoriously fragile faith of the Catholics and Orthodox. Or it could all end disastrously I suppose, but either way may God's majesty and name be praised, praise Jesus.
 

epostle

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my aunt is catholic, she pray to Mary,

what do you mean by honor? Is pray part of honor?
Honor does not mean worship. Pray means to ask, it is not always worship either. I can ask (pray) God to heal my broken leg, but that is a prayer of petition, not a prayer of worshship.

Do you believe they are omnipresent and able to hear billion catholic talk to them?
Saints in heaven are not omnipresent, only God is. Heaven is not like a room down the hall. There is no time or space to confine them, their abilities exceed our understanding.
 
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joefizz

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Did you know that Mary is in the Bible?
Did you know that not even once in the bible did God or Jesus tell anyone to pray to mary magdalene.?
Remembering her is one thing,as a follower of Jesus as well as his mother but anything beyond acknowledging her as such by praying to or praising her is idolatry,respecting her and admiring her,are quite alright,just as with any followers of God/Jesus,but God is to be put first and mary is not to be sought,Jesus is the only mediator and high priest between God and us,her name and actions are worth remembering,but despite this just as Moses and even David whom both God loved are not to be asked for wisdom or intervention for usGod,lest one mock God/Jesus.
 

epostle

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Did you know that not even once in the bible did God or Jesus tell anyone to pray to mary magdalene.?
Remembering her is one thing,as a follower of Jesus as well as his mother but anything beyond acknowledging her as such by praying to or praising her is idolatry,respecting her and admiring her,are quite alright,just as with any followers of God/Jesus,but God is to be put first and mary is not to be sought,Jesus is the only mediator and high priest between God and us,her name and actions are worth remembering,but despite this just as Moses and even David whom both God loved are not to be asked for wisdom or intervention for usGod,lest one mock God/Jesus.
Did Jesus love His mother?
 

Magenta

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Did Jesus love His mother?
Jesus replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”