The Christians' roots start with the killed Prophets of Israel.

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Our Christian Fathers on record are:
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
Moses, David a combined Prophet and King,
the O.T. Prophets like Isaiah,
Jesus the incarnated God, from GOD, of the Prophets and of the nation of Israel,
the Apostles including, thankfully, Paul who was dedicated to us Gentiles
and finally Jesus’ good Father, the Highest (Lk.1:32)

Keep in mind that the former Yahweh is Jesus, who is the God of the Prophets
and also the exclusive God of the nation of Israel.
Jesus always carry out the pleasure of his good Father.
The majority of Jews hated Jesus, their righteous God.
His Father loved him because of his righteousness.
The Jews rebelled, and constantly warred against Jesus and forsook and ignored him.
When Jesus’ Father sent him to the Jews, declaring peace,
they still hated him because he was opposed to evil.

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The rebellious Jews hated the righteous Jesus and also his righteous Father.

John.7
[7] The world (Israelites) cannot hate you but they hate me (their righteous God),
because I testify about them, that their works are evil.

John 15
[23] He (the Israelite) who hates me, hates my Father also.

The Jews who continue in Judaism know the Jesus was their hated national God from GOD.
They refuse to return to him, calling on him in baptism and thereby are in rebellion against the Highest.
Gentiles cannot ejoin them in this activity lest we become enemies of the Highest as well.

The Christian Israelites were separated, from those of Judaism, by GOD.

1 John.2
[15] Love not the world (the Israelites), neither the things that are in the world.
If any man loves the world (the Israelites), love for the Father is not in his mind.

The Primary Heavenly Objective:

The image of the heavenly Father = the image of the heavenly Son = the image of the earthly children.

When Jesus was the God of Israel he was, (the HOLY one), and not shared with the Gentiles nations.


The easiest way to understand Christ, the God of the Prophets
and his and his Father’s ‘religion/ WAY for us,’

is by dealing with sufficient good or evil facts >> (from the Bible and from the Spirit)
Christ was a righteous God, who in accordance with his Father’s desire,
labored to teach and enforce love and good deeds,
among the greatest to the smallest in the population of Israel.
Jesus, who is like GOD his Father, is what we call Socialist.
The teaching of Socialism, combined with love and adoration for a good close and loving God,
was being done through the O.T. Prophets, like Isaiah and the poor lamenting Jeremiah.
GOD accomplished the Socialist image in the Christians,
through his Word (= the Word of GOD), his Son, the Maker of Israel,
the teaching of the Apostles and the work of his EXCELLENT Spirit, in each individual.

In Israel, regarding the Prophets, (= Zion = where GOD lives), there were two dispositions of people.
The majority of Israel was killers of the innocent Prophets
while the minority were the Children/ followers of the Prophets
The Prophet killers were called the devil and the children of the devil.
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Matt.23…Jesus:
[25] Woe (70 A.D.) to you hypocrites, scribes and Pharisees!
for you make the outside of the cup and of the platter >> (appearance),clean
but within they (you) are full of extortion (of the poor)
and of excess >> (luxurious living)
[26] You blind Pharisee, cleanse firstly that, (the inner man) which is within the cup and platter,

so that the outside of them (you righteous appearance) may also be clean.
[27] Woe (70 A.D.) to you hypocrites, scribes and Pharisees,

for you are similar to white sepulchers, that indeed appear beautiful outside
but are within full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness. :)
[28] Even similarly, you also (deceptively) outwardly appear righteous

to (common) men,
but within you are full of hypocrisy (hoax) and iniquity (evil).
[29] Woe (anguish) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

because you build the tombs of the, (murdered innocent), Prophets (like Isaiah),
and you garnish the sepulchers of the righteous >> (good men),
[30] and you say:

If we had lived in the days of our fathers >> (the Prophet killers)
we would not have been partakers with them,
in the blood (murder) of the (innocent) Prophets.
[31] Therefore you (Scribes and Pharisees) are your own witnesses,

that you are the children of them >> (the devils and the false prophets)
who killed the (O.T.) Prophets.
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John.8
[43] Why don’t you Jews understand my speech>> (Doctrine)?
precisely because you cannot hear >> (with GOD opened ears) my Word.
[44] You (Jews) are (the evil children)

of your father the devil >>(who rebelled and forsook God and killed the Prophets),
and the lusts (lying and evil) of your father >> (the false Prophets) you will do
He (false prophet teacher/s) was a murderer >> (of the true Prophets)
from the beginning >> (of the nation of Israel),
and he did not remain in the truth >> (from the Prophets),
because there is no truth >> (no honesty) in him.
When he (your Jewish false prophet teacher/s) speaks >> (teaches you) a lie,
he speaks of/ from his own >> (mind and not from revelation by the Spirit),
for he is a (creative) liar (the devil), and the father (deviser) of lies.
[45] and because I (God) tell you the truth,

you (being indoctrinated in lies and seduced by liars) do not believe me.
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The prophets were ‘Spiritual men’ (phase #2) who wrote spiritually/ metaphorically
to conceal matters from the Prophet killers and their children.
The effect was that while they looked for literal fulfillments they did not occur.
These literalist, disobedient, Israelites of Judaism,
were cast away by the just, unbiased GOD, the Father of ALL nations.
They can return if they make peace with GOD,
by accepting and returning to Christ who was their God,
through baptism calling on him, whom they had forsaken, hated and rebelled against.
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GOD made many good promises to the ‘Children of the Prophets’ and our Spiritual forefathers.
Jesus came to fulfill GOD’s promises to the Children of the Prophets
and to continue the TEACHINGS of the PROPHETS
that they originally got from him, the God of the Prophets, who in turn got them from his Father.

The promise to Isaiah and his children:

Isa.54
[1] Sing, O barren (Prophets),
You (prophets) who did not bear (children)
You (Prophets), who did not travail (in child birth) with child
break forth into singing (merriment) and cry (shout) aloud, (loudly)
for the (Godly) children of the desolate (Prophets) are more numerous
than the (Godly) children of the (unfaithful) married wife: saith the LORD.
[2] Enlarge the place of your tent >> (physical assembly),
and let the brothers who stretch forth the curtains of your habitations >> (your places of assembly)
spare not (be liberal), lengthen your cords, and strengthen your stakes
[3] For you (the Prophets) shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left (worldwide)

and your seed >> (the Apostles and converts)
shall inherit (assimilate) the Gentiles >> (by teaching them obedience to faith in Christ and Baptism),
and your seed >> (the Apostles and converts)
shall make the desolate cities >> (the cast away Teachings from GOD)
to be inhabited >> (revived and beneficial)

Peter was partaker in the fulfillments:

Acts.3
[25] You (who can believe in Christ), are the Children of the Prophets,
and of the Covenant (promise) that GOD made with our (Spiritual) fathers, promising Abraham:
and in your seed >> (Christ = the Mighty God)
all of the nations of the earth (not Jews only) shall be blessed.
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To be Cont'd.
 
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Rom.13
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Amen.
 
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John.8
[54] Jesus answered,
If I honour myself, my honour is nothing (useless):
It is my Father who honours me;
about whom ye say, that he is your God:
[55] Yet ye have not known him; but I know him:
and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar (the devil) like unto you:
but I know him, and keep (obey) his saying.
 
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"Faith of our Fathers living still..."

Matt.15
[13]Jesus (the Mighty God of Israel) answered and said:
Every plant, that my heavenly Father has not planted, shall be up rooted.


Bless you LORD Jesus Christ...who is GOD blessed forever :)
 
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We have been encircled with lies and we think that we are educated...ho! ho!

These deceptions are very INSULTING.

Christ focused women of quality need to step up for the acid truth :)
 
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wordsponge;[B said:
The rebellious Jews hated the righteous Jesus and also his righteous Father.[/B]
The Christian Israelites were separated, from those of Judaism, by GOD.
The Primary Heavenly Objective:
The image of the heavenly Father = the image of the heavenly Son = the image of the earthly children.

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Our Christian roots start with creation, not with the prophets.

There were thousands of Christian Jews, as it states in Acts. Those who do not recognize Christ as the Messiah have no idea that Christ is God, and they do not hate God.

The primary heavenly objective is for our redemption.

We are Israel, for we have been adopted in. In scripture, that word means, sometimes, people who have Jewish Mothers and Fathers, and sometimes it means all those who are part of the family of God, the native ones and the adopted one. It is up to us to understand scripture, to know what God is telling us.
 
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Jesus is GOD blessed forever and he WORKED for his status from GOD.

He obeyed GOD to death >>

He deserves.

Men and women of integrity understand and say Amen to GOD.
 
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Jesus is GOD blessed forever and he WORKED for his status from GOD.

He obeyed GOD to death >>

He deserves.

Men and women of integrity understand and say Amen to GOD.
If we work hard enough, do we deserve everlasting life?

If Jesus fulfilled the Law through faithful obedience for us, do we also have to fulfill the Law?

Did He not fulfill the Law so that He could have brought in a new Covenant?
 
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Luke.21
[20] And when you (Apostles and others)
shall see Jerusalem compassed with (Roman) armies, (70 A.D)
then know that the desolation (destruction) thereof is nigh.
[21] Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[22] For these be the days of vengeance (from GOD,
so that all things that are written (by the Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah)
may be fulfilled.
 
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1 Pet.5
[8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil (Jews),
as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour:
[9](the devil) resist stedfast in the faith >> (do not renounce Jesus Christ),
knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren
who are in the world (of the Prophet killing Israel).
 
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Jer.2
[33] Why trimmest thou thy way to seek love?
therefore hast thou also taught the wicked ones thy ways.
[34] Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents >> (the Prophets)
I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.
 
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If we work hard enough, do we deserve everlasting life?

If Jesus fulfilled the Law through faithful obedience for us, do we also have to fulfill the Law?

Did He not fulfill the Law so that He could have brought in a new Covenant?
Wordsponge,

In case you missed this...
 
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And this is a reply to those questions?
John.10
[14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Many things are hidden from you. Jesus must have a reason.


Matt.7
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (faith only)

 
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John.10
[14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Many things are hidden from you. Jesus must have a reason.
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And the message that Jesus has revealed you is that faith is no longer the work of God, but a procedural water baptism?
 
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I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (faith only)

Shall we add to this: whosoever believes in the Son shall not perish, but have everlasting life?

Wouldn't one think that if faith (must add, active faith) is not enough that God would have told us that we must also do what you claim has been revealed to you?
 
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Shall we add to this: whosoever believes in the Son shall not perish, but have everlasting life?

Wouldn't one think that if faith (must add, active faith) is not enough that God would have told us that we must also do what you claim has been revealed to you?
You are in serious trouble.

I am not playing your game.

Play with your Fathers and their children.
 
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You are in serious trouble.

I am not playing your game.
Oftentimes, quoting Scripture can get one into trouble.

Game: Scripture says this and you are saying that. Can you line that up with Scripture. And that is a game?