The Church in Acts did not meet on the first day of the week...
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T
So, you believe the verses I gave refer to saturday morning, and not sunday morning?
Mark 16:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Luke 24:1King James Version (KJV)
24 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
John 20:1King James Version (KJV)
20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
John 20:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Mark 16:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Luke 24:1King James Version (KJV)
24 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
John 20:1King James Version (KJV)
20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
John 20:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
first off, there is no Scripture anywhere that even suggests Sunday is the Lord's day.
The Messiah said, not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law, so you would think if one of the ten commandments was to be changed, there would be a clear directive in Scripture. (however, we know that He does not change).
As far as the documents you referred to, I have seen a few, but a lot more on the conspiracy to change the day.
I was in a Sun-day church for many years, and I still have a lot of friends and family there. Just not for me now that I know better.
The Messiah said, not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law, so you would think if one of the ten commandments was to be changed, there would be a clear directive in Scripture. (however, we know that He does not change).
As far as the documents you referred to, I have seen a few, but a lot more on the conspiracy to change the day.
I was in a Sun-day church for many years, and I still have a lot of friends and family there. Just not for me now that I know better.
:hrmm: by the way
one of our brethren told us in their native language that
the word isra when we translate them and change it to english
isra means one as in the number one like this # 1
when it comes unto their language
so as they count in
isra meaning one
then two (we dont know the next word)
:ty:
godbless us all always
one of our brethren told us in their native language that
the word isra when we translate them and change it to english
isra means one as in the number one like this # 1
when it comes unto their language
so as they count in
isra meaning one
then two (we dont know the next word)
:ty:
godbless us all always
Well...since the historical documents that recorded the first years of christian life and practice do talk about the Lord's day (the day the Lord resurrected) it can easily be deduced that the passages I gave, those that talk about the disciples finding the sepulchre empty occured on the first day of the week (sunday). Besides, if you don't believe they found the empty tumb on sunday than you should also not believe that Christ was crucified on Friday.
I don't understand what do you mean. So you have seen a few? Which have you seen and what do you think?
I hope you don't separate Sunday to imply worship of the sun because that would be childish. The christians celebrate the "Domini Dei" (latin for Lord's day) and "kiriake hemera" (Lord's day in greek).
I don't understand what do you mean. So you have seen a few? Which have you seen and what do you think?
I hope you don't separate Sunday to imply worship of the sun because that would be childish. The christians celebrate the "Domini Dei" (latin for Lord's day) and "kiriake hemera" (Lord's day in greek).
okay, we don't agree on a few things here. I do imply Sun-day worship, not because millions of good people are sitting around worshiping the sun, but because they don't know the history behind it, in my opinion. I firmly believe it is the work of the adversary, to deceive the people. It is not my hobby to make people angry. I just want them to consider this.
But getting back to the original thread, I don't believe "mia Sabbaton" is correctly translated as "first day of the week". If so, then the Greek should have been "mia - haymerah - Sabbaton". I know of at least two Bible Versions that correctly translate that as to "on one of the Sabbaths".
But getting back to the original thread, I don't believe "mia Sabbaton" is correctly translated as "first day of the week". If so, then the Greek should have been "mia - haymerah - Sabbaton". I know of at least two Bible Versions that correctly translate that as to "on one of the Sabbaths".
T
It is a matter of historical record that Sunday worship began early in the history of the church - well before Constantine, in fact.
This is not in dispute but it is not, by itself, proof that we should be doing this or not.
What is in dispute is the argument disciplemike is putting forward.
He claims that the law has not changed (this is in fact true) as the argument for telling us (believers) that we are obligated to obey the law in every respect (this is not true).
The reason that the second assertion does not follow the first assertion is very simple:
Disciplemike will hate me for saying this but through the sacrifice on the cross Christ Jesus fulfilled the law in every respect on our behalf.
We accept this reality by grace through faith.
The law has not passed away but believers in Christ are no longer subject to its requirements.
Our salvation and spiritual future does not depend on obeying the law on every point, or any point.
This forum is replete with threads asserting that by us claiming that the law has no hold on us that Christians then become lawless reprobates.
This is not so!
Because we are not under the law we are free from the dictates of the law.
What this means is that we are no longer limited by the minimum requirements of the law as this dictates to our behaviour.
Instead we are free to love God without restriction and to behave and to do works in ways that the law can never legislate.
In Christ we are free to love and free to do much more than the law could ever enforce.
The basis of this is our love relationship with God.
Our motivation is not fear of the consequences of law, no, we are motivated by our love of God, free from any of the limiting dictates of the law.
Disciplemike has been deluging this forum with thread after thread, all with the same question:
Are Christians obliged to obey Levitical law?
As laid out above the answer to this is an emphatic NO!
No doubt disciplemike will vigorously defend his position and will also continue to post new thread after new thread all essentially, asking the same question.
However the answer to each question is the same: Christians are not under Levitical law - simple as that!
This is not in dispute but it is not, by itself, proof that we should be doing this or not.
What is in dispute is the argument disciplemike is putting forward.
He claims that the law has not changed (this is in fact true) as the argument for telling us (believers) that we are obligated to obey the law in every respect (this is not true).
The reason that the second assertion does not follow the first assertion is very simple:
Disciplemike will hate me for saying this but through the sacrifice on the cross Christ Jesus fulfilled the law in every respect on our behalf.
We accept this reality by grace through faith.
The law has not passed away but believers in Christ are no longer subject to its requirements.
Our salvation and spiritual future does not depend on obeying the law on every point, or any point.
This forum is replete with threads asserting that by us claiming that the law has no hold on us that Christians then become lawless reprobates.
This is not so!
Because we are not under the law we are free from the dictates of the law.
What this means is that we are no longer limited by the minimum requirements of the law as this dictates to our behaviour.
Instead we are free to love God without restriction and to behave and to do works in ways that the law can never legislate.
In Christ we are free to love and free to do much more than the law could ever enforce.
The basis of this is our love relationship with God.
Our motivation is not fear of the consequences of law, no, we are motivated by our love of God, free from any of the limiting dictates of the law.
Disciplemike has been deluging this forum with thread after thread, all with the same question:
Are Christians obliged to obey Levitical law?
As laid out above the answer to this is an emphatic NO!
No doubt disciplemike will vigorously defend his position and will also continue to post new thread after new thread all essentially, asking the same question.
However the answer to each question is the same: Christians are not under Levitical law - simple as that!
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