The Churches Big Lie.
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Not at all at all...atall
What makes you think the 144k belong to some future event...tsk..tsk
(Rev 7:4 KJV) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
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(Rev 7:9 KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Don't yer think God could "scrape" up 144K Israelites in the 1st century?
(Acts 21:20 KJV) ..........Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
(James 1:1 KJV) James....................to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
(Acts 2:5 KJV) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
literalists....*pfft*
What makes you think the 144k belong to some future event...tsk..tsk
(Rev 7:4 KJV) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
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(Rev 7:9 KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Don't yer think God could "scrape" up 144K Israelites in the 1st century?
(Acts 21:20 KJV) ..........Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
(James 1:1 KJV) James....................to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
(Acts 2:5 KJV) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
literalists....*pfft*
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No
Wrong again
The Church, which began at Pentecost, is composed of SAVED Jews and SAVED Gentiles.
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
What part of 'the Church is not Israel' do you not understand?
What are you trying to "proof-text" by pulling part of Acts 21:20 out of context? The context begins in verse 18 and ends in verse 26.
The leaders of the church at Jerusalem counseled Paul to take a Mosaic oath in order to satisfy the believing Jews who were zealous for the law. The church leaders had settled the issue of the Gentiles and their relationship with the law, having instructed plainly that the Gentiles were not bound to the law (Acts 15), but apparently they still held that the believing Jews were liable to keep the Mosaic law. The time traditionally given for the events in Acts 21 is A.D. 60. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians had been written two years earlier, in A.D. 58. The Jerusalem church leaders said many were complaining that Paul was instructing Jews to forsake Moses. The pressure from the Jews who wanted to cleave to Moses was intense. The events which followed demonstrated to everyone involved that the unbelieving Jews would not be satisfied with the Christians no matter how they tried to please them.
This has nothing to do with the false teaching of Replacement Theology.
Therefore you need to go "make up" another "story" because the one you are "making up" now is full of holes.
Wrong again
The Church, which began at Pentecost, is composed of SAVED Jews and SAVED Gentiles.
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
What part of 'the Church is not Israel' do you not understand?
What are you trying to "proof-text" by pulling part of Acts 21:20 out of context? The context begins in verse 18 and ends in verse 26.
The leaders of the church at Jerusalem counseled Paul to take a Mosaic oath in order to satisfy the believing Jews who were zealous for the law. The church leaders had settled the issue of the Gentiles and their relationship with the law, having instructed plainly that the Gentiles were not bound to the law (Acts 15), but apparently they still held that the believing Jews were liable to keep the Mosaic law. The time traditionally given for the events in Acts 21 is A.D. 60. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians had been written two years earlier, in A.D. 58. The Jerusalem church leaders said many were complaining that Paul was instructing Jews to forsake Moses. The pressure from the Jews who wanted to cleave to Moses was intense. The events which followed demonstrated to everyone involved that the unbelieving Jews would not be satisfied with the Christians no matter how they tried to please them.
This has nothing to do with the false teaching of Replacement Theology.
Therefore you need to go "make up" another "story" because the one you are "making up" now is full of holes.
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What was your prior screen name here? Your writing style and subject matter are identical to a former poster, but I just can't quite remember their SN............
Reason being..........I questioned them when they first started posting here about their not including Book and Chapter when they post verses.........
They replied something like........."people want to know the Book and Chapter, let them read the Bible..........."
I know it's you again, but can't remember what your other SN was........
Reason being..........I questioned them when they first started posting here about their not including Book and Chapter when they post verses.........
They replied something like........."people want to know the Book and Chapter, let them read the Bible..........."
I know it's you again, but can't remember what your other SN was........
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Hebrew Jews are nice, but they are pretty stiffnecked. from what I read and pretty exclusive,
Jesus is wise though, he will take the truth to the gentiles so the hebrew Jews become Jealous, and leave their Jewish fables and join again with JEsus and take their rightful place.
I am a ahebrew Jew too, through adoption.
Jesus was adopted into the line of david through joseph
adoption is just as strong as direct blood.
according to God.
Jesus is wise though, he will take the truth to the gentiles so the hebrew Jews become Jealous, and leave their Jewish fables and join again with JEsus and take their rightful place.
I am a ahebrew Jew too, through adoption.
Jesus was adopted into the line of david through joseph
adoption is just as strong as direct blood.
according to God.
I do not quite understand this thread, are you saying that Jews are saved despite their rejection of Jesus Christ?
Jesus said he could make children of Abraham from the rocks on the ground. Matthew 3:9
The great error of the organized churches was and is justifying hatred and war against those who refuse to submit to the churches.
The plan of God was and is to save the world through Jesus Christ, the Jew first and also the gentile.
The great error of the churches was and is committing adultery with the state and using the power of the state to persecute those who refuse to submit to them.
Many today refuse to follow Jesus Christ because of the atrocities done by the churches.
"For it is time for judgement to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:17
Jesus said he could make children of Abraham from the rocks on the ground. Matthew 3:9
The great error of the organized churches was and is justifying hatred and war against those who refuse to submit to the churches.
The plan of God was and is to save the world through Jesus Christ, the Jew first and also the gentile.
The great error of the churches was and is committing adultery with the state and using the power of the state to persecute those who refuse to submit to them.
Many today refuse to follow Jesus Christ because of the atrocities done by the churches.
"For it is time for judgement to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:17
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Men lie
Bible is tryue
I think there are many lies
the best way not to get lied to
is dont ask them any questions
you cannot be lied to if you turn of your TV and dont ask a liar any questions
The one place I dont get lied to is my bible
when I read the bible I am no longer lied to
so you want to stop the lies?
go to Jesus and the word of God
problem solved.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
so dont feel bad
we are all liars that is how we are raised
people lie to kids about santa claus "for thier own good"
easter, sunday, halloween, star wars, disneyland
tv
all of it is lies lies lies there was no spock, really, never was one!
hard to believe I know
but there is a Jesus and a Paul and Peter
and a samson
and a Jezebel;l and ahab and elijah!
lets tell the kids true things shall we?
Bible is tryue
I think there are many lies
the best way not to get lied to
is dont ask them any questions
you cannot be lied to if you turn of your TV and dont ask a liar any questions
The one place I dont get lied to is my bible
when I read the bible I am no longer lied to
so you want to stop the lies?
go to Jesus and the word of God
problem solved.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
so dont feel bad
we are all liars that is how we are raised
people lie to kids about santa claus "for thier own good"
easter, sunday, halloween, star wars, disneyland
tv
all of it is lies lies lies there was no spock, really, never was one!
hard to believe I know
but there is a Jesus and a Paul and Peter
and a samson
and a Jezebel;l and ahab and elijah!
lets tell the kids true things shall we?
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True Church is in Heaven
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
The original law commanded the Israelites to stone blasphemers, adulterers, murders, homosexuals, people that "slept" with animals, etc. This was not a perversion of the law. It was the Law given to Moses.
And when the Pharisees said that it was against the Law for them to kill Jesus for blaspheming, they were lying. If Jesus had been blaspheming, they were required under the Law of Moses to stone Him. You can read in Acts 7 where they stoned Stephen within a very short period of time after the crucifixion of Jesus. It is my opinion that they wanted Jesus to be hung on a tree so that He would be cursed.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, [SUP]23 [/SUP]his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.
Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—
It was an evil plan, but it played into God's eternal plan.
Matthew 21:33-46
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. [SUP]34 [/SUP]When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. [SUP]35 [/SUP]The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ [SUP]39 [/SUP]They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” [SUP]41 [/SUP]They *said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the chief corner stone;
This came about from the Lord,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”
[SUP]45 [/SUP]When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. [SUP]46 [/SUP]When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.
