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You have in effect deified the red letters of the Bible, making them synonymous with Jesus Himself and limiting Him to no more than the words on a page. A grave and damning error.

ugh... ithought "we are done" as you just said on the other post????? I told you already, you judging or accusing me of "defiling" Jesus words is absurd. I'm the one telling you to accept them. but listen keep to your declaration that " I'm daft and were done" that was the best thing you have said to me since we have spoken
 
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"Jesus is not those red letters and He isn't commanding anyone from the pages of a book, but only from within the heart of those He indwells.


You have in effect deified the red letters of the Bible, making them synonymous with Jesus Himself and limiting Him to no more than the words on a page. A grave and damning error."

The above ideas are a surprise.
Firstly if the written word has no significance and only the indwelling in the heart that matters
why where the gospels written? Because Jesus's words are eternal and therefore significant.
So denial of this significance is a criticism of Christ itself.

Secondly, taking Jesus's words serious is part of following Christ. And yes the Lord limits himself
to love, righteousness, forgiveness and judgement.

It is obvious from these declarations the believer has a serious problem with the declared word
of God, and would rather draw his inspiration from what he hears alone in his heart. Church
history has demonstrated though commendable people quickly go astray without using scripture
as a sensible reference point. This is not advanced concepts but to these believers obviously
something they rebel against.
 
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there is no spirit apart from Jesus words. lol. " spirit gives birth to spirit, my words are spirit and they are life. Jesus didn't say don't do this. that's law. Jesus said if theres lust in you, remove it and think pure. that is infact the spirit speaking, my words are spirit and they are Life. you cannot separate the spirit of Jesus from His words. you guys want to claim His death and resurrection and say you are walking by the spirit without acceopting His words that ARE the spirit in you. the spirit isn't just irrelevant, it doesn't just magically control you. you FOLLOW him. the words of Chjrist are how the spirit gets in us, not by rejecting them but by accepting them. the issue you are not accepting is that His words are the Life, the spirit, the way.

we only receive the spirit by believing Jesus. all we have on earth to know Him is the word, the gospel. we cannot receive the spirit and reject His words, they are eternally bound go hand in hand. the words are the spirit, they are living and active in those who believe them. you are in error, you see not the connection between the words and spirit, look to Jesus " my words are spirit and they are Life.

"you are born again of the imperishable seed of the living and enduring word of God....

the word of God is living and active, it judges the attitudes of the heart and mind"

spirit gives birth to spirit, my words are spirit and they are life.

to separate jesus words and spirit is impossible......
So...(and don't get mad at me please - I don't sling insults) you think the words in the bible give men life?
Why don't all who read them or hear them receive life?
I've read some of your posts and I don't think you believe this. But I could be wrong.
 
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"Jesus is not those red letters and He isn't commanding anyone from the pages of a book, but only from within the heart of those He indwells.


You have in effect deified the red letters of the Bible, making them synonymous with Jesus Himself and limiting Him to no more than the words on a page. A grave and damning error."

The above ideas are a surprise.
Firstly if the written word has no significance and only the indwelling in the heart that matters
why where the gospels written? Because Jesus's words are eternal and therefore significant.
So denial of this significance is a criticism of Christ itself.

Secondly, taking Jesus's words serious is part of following Christ. And yes the Lord limits himself
to love, righteousness, forgiveness and judgement.

It is obvious from these declarations the believer has a serious problem with the declared word
of God, and would rather draw his inspiration from what he hears alone in his heart. Church
history has demonstrated though commendable people quickly go astray without using scripture
as a sensible reference point. This is not advanced concepts but to these believers obviously
something they rebel against.
Why do you do that Peter? Why do you take what someone says and take it to a place that was never even suggested? And then use that to attack their character? Do you really think people are too stupid to not see what you are doing?
 
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So...(and don't get mad at me please - I don't sling insults) you think the words in the bible give men life?
Why don't all who read them or hear them receive life?
I've read some of your posts and I don't think you believe this. But I could be wrong.

its hard to take "tone" from text, ive never been mad at anyone on this site, that is the Gods honest truth. I have and am offended when people omit Jesus words, offended by the false doctrine.

yes I believe Gods words give Life to those who BELIEVE them. if someone doesn't believe them, it will do no good. that's whay its all based on Faith. my point to the word, and again the gospels, some words in the bible bring death.

deut. 30:14 "No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it."

the words in the Gospel are Life. the message IF we take it as Gods Word, yes the words in the gospels save us. think of it. its not the letters, but if I believe what I am learning, those words become thoughts, thoughts become belief, and as we believe, so we are. that's the living word. if we truly believe what God purposely had written down. just like when He gave moses the commandments he wrote them so men later couldn't change and omit and redesign Hos word. if not for the written word no one would even know about Jesus, or anything God has said. I believe if God said something it is true, and that he intended to have his words written so all men could know the truth. it is the knowledge that saves, but without the words, there is no knowledge. that's why Jesus said " This gospel of the kingdom will be preached to all nations, and then the end will come"

we are supposed to believe the Bible is Gods own word, placed and preserved through all time for men to hear, learn, know and do. if we remove the bible, we are at the mercy of mens thinking and understanding. if we trust what it says, we have Gods understanding intended for us to accept as His word. its not like its mans interpretation of His word, it is authored by the spirit of God. yes, I reverence and believe what is written and without the written word, we have nothing to believe but what men say. so in that way, yes the words save us, IF we believe what God is saying and purposed for us to record, preserve and know. if we cant trust Gods written word, what information do we have for salvation?

the written word of God, will bring the knowledge of God. Jesus Words are the gospel, without believing them, no one will be saved. it doesn't matter if we read them and believe, hear them and believe, the source of His word is written in the bible. the 4 gospels are what Christians have to accept as the words of Jesus Christ, that's why they were written down. so in that way yes the words save because they are Gods words, if He speaks, it creates. Jesus words create the new man IF we believe Him and trust what he is saying is what God is saying. Gods word written or heard and believed. if someone hears and does not believe it will not change them, if they do believe it will lead them into life. I hope this isn't too long or disorganized.

if I spend my time dwelling on the world, I'm deadm if I spend my time dwelling in Gods word I will do it if I believe because its Gods word. if I believe, God knows best it will change my thinking and belief and bring it in line with Hois will, if I think and believe in line with His will I see " if you love me obey me" it is faith in His word that brings the holy spirit into us. we take His word, believe it is true, and it comes to life in us and begins to work for us. Life and death is in the knowledge we have available in His written word. the words make a message that is true and alive and powerful for anyone who believes it. that's my stance. Gods word is not a book or just words, it is the knowledge God purposely preserved for mankind to know Him. and it changes everything by faith
 
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Why do you do that Peter? Why do you take what someone says and take it to a place that was never even suggested? And then use that to attack their character? Do you really think people are too stupid to not see what you are doing?

"hello kettle".... " its the pot"......"youre black"
 
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"Jesus is not those red letters and He isn't commanding anyone from the pages of a book, but only from within the heart of those He indwells.


You have in effect deified the red letters of the Bible, making them synonymous with Jesus Himself and limiting Him to no more than the words on a page. A grave and damning error."

The above ideas are a surprise.
Firstly if the written word has no significance and only the indwelling in the heart that matters
why where the gospels written? Because Jesus's words are eternal and therefore significant.
So denial of this significance is a criticism of Christ itself.

Secondly, taking Jesus's words serious is part of following Christ. And yes the Lord limits himself
to love, righteousness, forgiveness and judgement.

It is obvious from these declarations the believer has a serious problem with the declared word
of God, and would rather draw his inspiration from what he hears alone in his heart. Church
history has demonstrated though commendable people quickly go astray without using scripture
as a sensible reference point. This is not advanced concepts but to these believers obviously
something they rebel against.

amen very on point.