The End of the AGE
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And I'm hearing strains of some bad books and movies from the 1980's in this thread. We get a "feeling" from the Holy Spirit Jesus is coming, because we had bad preachers, and believed fiction books for too many years. I never read those books, or saw the movies, but I know lots of people and preachers who did, and I accepted it unquestioningly. Reading the Bible helped me focus on the truth of Jesus return.
Jesus will come back when one thing happens. That is the gospel will be preached to ALL the world. That means to all the billions of people with no electricity, no internet, no gospel witness at all.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14
So are you part of the solution, or part of the problem? Are you willing to go to the mission field? To give sacrificially to those who are on the mission field? To pray for the lost? To pray for workers for the harvest?
Nothing else truly matters to God, but his mission that every person and people group would have a chance to hear the gospel in their own language. The last thing he cares about is politics, wars and rumours of wars, and end times diatribe.
Click on this link to a prayer movement for the gospel to reach ALL people.
Operation World | Home
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28"18-20
Jesus will come back when one thing happens. That is the gospel will be preached to ALL the world. That means to all the billions of people with no electricity, no internet, no gospel witness at all.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14
So are you part of the solution, or part of the problem? Are you willing to go to the mission field? To give sacrificially to those who are on the mission field? To pray for the lost? To pray for workers for the harvest?
Nothing else truly matters to God, but his mission that every person and people group would have a chance to hear the gospel in their own language. The last thing he cares about is politics, wars and rumours of wars, and end times diatribe.
Click on this link to a prayer movement for the gospel to reach ALL people.
Operation World | Home
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28"18-20
Technically your view is flawed.....
1. The Angel of the Lord flies through the midst of heaven proclaiming the everlasting Gospel to all who dwell upon the earth in Revelation......so....your view about electricity is a bit flawed as the angel of the Lord needs no electricity to do that which is written....!
So....instead of condemning everybody, why not add some value to the conversation at hand!
1. The Angel of the Lord flies through the midst of heaven proclaiming the everlasting Gospel to all who dwell upon the earth in Revelation......so....your view about electricity is a bit flawed as the angel of the Lord needs no electricity to do that which is written....!
So....instead of condemning everybody, why not add some value to the conversation at hand!
Dcontaversal,
Here is something else to consider. I think most scholars agree that there was 2000 years from creation to Abraham and 2000 years from Abraham to Christ. We are now almost 2000 years from the crucifixion. Peter said, referencing David, that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.Consider Jesus statement.
31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. (Luk 13:31-32 KJV)
Jesus wasn't perfect three 24 hour says later. However, if He meant prophetic days, it would be He does cure today (1000 years) and tomorrow (1000 years) and on the third day(1000 years) He would be perfected. If there were 2000 years from creation to Abraham and 2000 years from Abraham to Christ and Christ worked two days, 2000 years that would be 6000 years and on the third day, the beginning of the 7000th year He would be perfect. That would be the 7th day, 'and God rested on the 7th day.
Paul calls the 7th day the Sabbath for Christians.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. (Heb 4:3-5 KJV)
Paul said God's rest is the 7th day. The statement in Genesis is prophetic of the kingdom Sabbath.
Here is something else to consider. I think most scholars agree that there was 2000 years from creation to Abraham and 2000 years from Abraham to Christ. We are now almost 2000 years from the crucifixion. Peter said, referencing David, that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.Consider Jesus statement.
31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. (Luk 13:31-32 KJV)
Jesus wasn't perfect three 24 hour says later. However, if He meant prophetic days, it would be He does cure today (1000 years) and tomorrow (1000 years) and on the third day(1000 years) He would be perfected. If there were 2000 years from creation to Abraham and 2000 years from Abraham to Christ and Christ worked two days, 2000 years that would be 6000 years and on the third day, the beginning of the 7000th year He would be perfect. That would be the 7th day, 'and God rested on the 7th day.
Paul calls the 7th day the Sabbath for Christians.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. (Heb 4:3-5 KJV)
Paul said God's rest is the 7th day. The statement in Genesis is prophetic of the kingdom Sabbath.
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Besides that a study was done last year of people they believe have not been reached by the gospel message yet, and here is those findings;
When missiologists (people who study how to spread the gospel throughout the Earth) they usually look at people groups rather than individual people. Here are some statistics they have found.
When missiologists (people who study how to spread the gospel throughout the Earth) they usually look at people groups rather than individual people. Here are some statistics they have found.
- According to the Joshua Project (as of February 16) there are 16,598 people groups in the world. 7,165 of these are “unreached” (fewer than 2% evangelical).
- On the other hand, The Southern Baptist International Missions Board estimates 11,310 people groups, of which 6,405 are unreached and 3,100 are “unengaged” (no evangelical mission effort to reach them is underway).
- There are 700 million evangelical Christians in the world — 225,000 for every unengaged people group
More to consider.
The Israelites were cast out and rejected when they rejected Christ. The Veil on the temple was torn showing that God had left His temple which was subsequently destroyed. Christ was rejected by the Israelites almost 2000 years ago. Again, considering the prophetic day, look at this prophecy from Hosea.
KJV Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (Hos 6:1-2 KJV)
Hosea says after two days He will revive us. I don't believe there is any place in Scripture that speaks of the Lord casting off Israel and reviving them 48 hours later. I believe this speaks of prophetic days. If that is the case, after 2000 years He will revives us on the third day. They've been cast off almost 2 days (2000) now, the 3rd day is approaching quickly.
The Israelites were cast out and rejected when they rejected Christ. The Veil on the temple was torn showing that God had left His temple which was subsequently destroyed. Christ was rejected by the Israelites almost 2000 years ago. Again, considering the prophetic day, look at this prophecy from Hosea.
KJV Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (Hos 6:1-2 KJV)
Hosea says after two days He will revive us. I don't believe there is any place in Scripture that speaks of the Lord casting off Israel and reviving them 48 hours later. I believe this speaks of prophetic days. If that is the case, after 2000 years He will revives us on the third day. They've been cast off almost 2 days (2000) now, the 3rd day is approaching quickly.
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Consider the times of the Gentiles.
When the Israelites went into captivity the first time it was for 70 years. It happened because they did not let the land keep it's Sabbaths. If that 70 years is the basis for the second exile we have this. After tells the Israelites about the blessings they will receive if they obey God says this.
14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. {over: Heb. upon}
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
(Lev 26:14-18 KJV)
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. (Lev 26:21 KJV)
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. (Lev 26:24 KJV
27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
(Lev 26:27-28 KJV)
He tells them four consecutive times if they don't listen he will punish them seven times. The first exile was 70 years. 70 X 7 = 490. If you multiply this 4 times you get 1960 years. The Israelites were cast out in 70 Ad. if historians are correct. that would put the end of the second exile at 2030, actually 2029/2030. That means that the second exile is almost over.
When the Israelites went into captivity the first time it was for 70 years. It happened because they did not let the land keep it's Sabbaths. If that 70 years is the basis for the second exile we have this. After tells the Israelites about the blessings they will receive if they obey God says this.
14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. {over: Heb. upon}
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
(Lev 26:14-18 KJV)
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. (Lev 26:21 KJV)
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. (Lev 26:24 KJV
27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
(Lev 26:27-28 KJV)
He tells them four consecutive times if they don't listen he will punish them seven times. The first exile was 70 years. 70 X 7 = 490. If you multiply this 4 times you get 1960 years. The Israelites were cast out in 70 Ad. if historians are correct. that would put the end of the second exile at 2030, actually 2029/2030. That means that the second exile is almost over.
That is cool as well.....I have always looked at the prophetic time scale of 6000 years to deal with humanity and 1000 year reign of Christ.....Seeing how both the Hebrew and Greek alphabets have numerical value and God being the master mathematician I have no problem with doing math to come to biblical conclusions....Daniel took the book of Jeremiah and done the math to figure out they would spend 70 years in Babylonian captivity.....the math speaks volumes....!
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Hi there, I have read your post and I am a little confused. It took me awhile to figure out the math that went along with the prophecy in Daniel. I now understand and agree with your math that the Messiah would be cut off 434 years after the rebuilding of the temple. However I am not sure why you mentioned the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Does this relate to reaching our time period because I didn’t understand how this prophecy relates to the time of the end? How does it add up to around 2015 A.D. ?
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You can't use the math the clock stopped in 70 A.D. and started clicking again in either 1948 or 1967. You pick. The generation that see's the fig tree blossom shall not pass. Then what is a generation? Some say 40 years but my dad who was born in 1935 will be eighty come august of this year so the math makes know since.
'What we can go by is what Jesus said that as the days of noah so will it be. In the days of Noah every man's. heart was intent on evil. We are very very close to that now but what is stopping it? As Dcon say's America must go away and it will after the rapture. America is still the only country that preaches the gospel in abundance. You can't drive five miles without seeing ten churches and turn on the tv and there are 10 or more different channels preaching the gospel. The only reason America is still here is because of preaching the gospel in one form or another. The only thing that will stop that is the rapture.
'What we can go by is what Jesus said that as the days of noah so will it be. In the days of Noah every man's. heart was intent on evil. We are very very close to that now but what is stopping it? As Dcon say's America must go away and it will after the rapture. America is still the only country that preaches the gospel in abundance. You can't drive five miles without seeing ten churches and turn on the tv and there are 10 or more different channels preaching the gospel. The only reason America is still here is because of preaching the gospel in one form or another. The only thing that will stop that is the rapture.
Unfortunately the end is near. Even a non religious can see that the end is near. The world grows darker every day and when you have a spirit of God you become more sensitive to things that occur around the world and in our everyday lives.
When I see these things happening the first thing I think of is I wonder how God is going to deal with this person and situation. It saddens me and I realise that God has to put an end to this. The signs of the times are here and even though I love being here, I just know that we as children of God are not meant for this world. We learned what we had to and became followers of Christ and now it is time that He returns and casts away evil for good.
When I see these things happening the first thing I think of is I wonder how God is going to deal with this person and situation. It saddens me and I realise that God has to put an end to this. The signs of the times are here and even though I love being here, I just know that we as children of God are not meant for this world. We learned what we had to and became followers of Christ and now it is time that He returns and casts away evil for good.
Dcon, my friend, I do believe we are at the end of the age.
About the decree, it was 49 years. There were four decrees...
Cyrus issued a decree in 538BC (II Chron 36:22-23 and Ezra 1:1-4)
Darius issued a decree in 520BC (Ezra 6:1, 6-12)
Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)
Artaxerxes Longimanus in 444BC (Neh 2:1-8)
Four decrees, which one is the one to count from?
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks. That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6). So let's add 483 years to each decree and see what works out...
1st decree: 538BC + 483 years = 55BC. This doesn't work because Christ would not be born for another 51 years.
2nd decree: 520BC + 483 years = 37BC. Again, no good, Christ's birth is still 33 years in the future.
3rd decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD. Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD. We have a winner.
4th decree: 444BC + 483 years = 40AD. Christ's death, burial and resurrection was 9 years in the past and the destruction of the Temple was ~30 years in the future. No dice.
So, the decree in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ, the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.
About the decree, it was 49 years. There were four decrees...
Cyrus issued a decree in 538BC (II Chron 36:22-23 and Ezra 1:1-4)
Darius issued a decree in 520BC (Ezra 6:1, 6-12)
Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)
Artaxerxes Longimanus in 444BC (Neh 2:1-8)
Four decrees, which one is the one to count from?
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks. That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6). So let's add 483 years to each decree and see what works out...
1st decree: 538BC + 483 years = 55BC. This doesn't work because Christ would not be born for another 51 years.
2nd decree: 520BC + 483 years = 37BC. Again, no good, Christ's birth is still 33 years in the future.
3rd decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD. Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD. We have a winner.
4th decree: 444BC + 483 years = 40AD. Christ's death, burial and resurrection was 9 years in the past and the destruction of the Temple was ~30 years in the future. No dice.
So, the decree in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ, the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.
Nope, if the abomination takes place in 2018, the Tribulation begins in 2018...
Let's look at the Olivet Prophecy...
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
This question is looking toward a singular event, THE sign that would mark the end of the age and lead up to Christ's coming...
First of all, general conditions that would begin and intensify from Christ's time up to the end of the age are noted in Mat 24:4-14 with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God being preached in all the world but this is not a singular event. The very next event that occurs IS the singular event...
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
A lot of speculation is extant about the AoD but please notice that Christ said it will be like the event that Daniel prophesied of. What was that event?
The above is from this article...
What Is the "Abomination of Desolation"? | United Church of God
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The AoD is the sign that occurs in two parts...
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
When Jerusalem is surrounded by armies, then the desolation is near. (probably 30 days)
In Mat 24 we saw that a singular event is the AoD. It happened once (in type) and it will happen again (anti-type).
The original AoD was Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Epidimes) rearing up a statue of Jupiter Olympus and sacrificing swine on the Altar. Christ said that the AoD marking the end of the age would be like the event that Daniel spoke of. Type and anti-type.
So after this brief explanation of the AoD, notice in Mat 24:21, the Tribulation begins immediately after the AoD is set up.
Let's look at the Olivet Prophecy...
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
This question is looking toward a singular event, THE sign that would mark the end of the age and lead up to Christ's coming...
First of all, general conditions that would begin and intensify from Christ's time up to the end of the age are noted in Mat 24:4-14 with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God being preached in all the world but this is not a singular event. The very next event that occurs IS the singular event...
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
A lot of speculation is extant about the AoD but please notice that Christ said it will be like the event that Daniel prophesied of. What was that event?
The above is from this article...
What Is the "Abomination of Desolation"? | United Church of God
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The AoD is the sign that occurs in two parts...
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
When Jerusalem is surrounded by armies, then the desolation is near. (probably 30 days)
In Mat 24 we saw that a singular event is the AoD. It happened once (in type) and it will happen again (anti-type).
The original AoD was Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Epidimes) rearing up a statue of Jupiter Olympus and sacrificing swine on the Altar. Christ said that the AoD marking the end of the age would be like the event that Daniel spoke of. Type and anti-type.
So after this brief explanation of the AoD, notice in Mat 24:21, the Tribulation begins immediately after the AoD is set up.