The error of eternal justification

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tribesman

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Work, pertaining to theology is a belief derived from faith,Webester's dictionary, so believing is a work of man.
If the faith that comes with regeneration is a work, then it is a work of God. As it is written.

John.6

[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
However, also this was actually already asked and answered.

Now, remember that I have given you a last chance in the TOTAL DEPRAVITY thread to communicate normally and prove some trace of seriosity. No more sidetracking!
 
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Forest

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If the faith that comes with regeneration is a work, then it is a work of God. As it is written.



However, also this was actually already asked and answered.

Now, remember that I have given you a last chance in the TOTAL DEPRAVITY thread to communicate normally and prove some trace of seriosity. No more sidetracking!
You are absolutely right, Man has no part in his quickening to eternal life. When quickened, God gives his Holy Spirit which faith is a fruit thereof and man receives his believing, which is a work of God, and acts upon faith which is also given by God. The conclusion to all of this is that Jesus was a sacrifice for God's elect to justify them and save them eternally, which he did victoriously on the cross. By the way! I sure do appreciate you giving me a last chance. I can tell that you do much studying and I am enjoying discussing the scriptures with you, knowing that without the revealation from the Holy Spirit none of us would understand anything about the scriptures.
 

tribesman

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...I am enjoying discussing the scriptures with you...
You are not "discussing", just spamming all threads you can with your twisted take on Gal.2:16. The end.
 
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Forest

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You are not "discussing", just spamming all threads you can with your twisted take on Gal.2:16. The end.
I am sorry that the holy Spirit has not revealed unto you the truth of Gal 2:16. The little word "OF" tells who's faith it is. If it was man's faith it would read "by faith OF man. The only way that our believing plays a part in this scripture is that we believe in the fact that Jesus's faith justified us. God does not intend for man to take credit for his justification, but wants man to praise and honour Him for his free gift of grace.
 
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forsha

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True, some scriptures that speak of salvation actually refers to timely matters such as deliverance and healing etc. But there are scriptures that you claim speaks of timely salvation that speaks of eternal salvation. One such example is Mark 16:16. Of course, with your view of eternal justification there are scriptures that do not "harmonise" with your idea, hence you will have to somehow make them say that which fits your idea.

Since you have said:



It is clear to me that you also deny the call to and the duty of the elect to repent and believe (Mark 1:14-15). This is really a kind of hyper-calvinism that you promote. Who taught you this? Where did you catch up these ideas? Where do you, or where did you, go to church?

True, some calvinists have taught eternal justification, some of them prominent men like Gill and Kuyper. However, Calvin did not teach this. Hence it, as well as other antinominan deviations, are called various forms of hyper-calvinism.

Some calvinists will sometimes limit the error of eternal justification to be "doctrinal" antinomianism, however its implications will certainly also always mean "practical" antinomianism, where sin is not viewed as sin. Instead of only the sinner being justified, his sin will also be justified. Which is typical of deadly antinomian heresy.

While eternal justification advocates are saying they are keen not to mix in the slightest trace of "contradiction" in the order of salvation, and that they stand for the immutability of God, it is nothing but a presumptous way of wrongly interpreting (in effect denying) scripture that actually attacks not only related biblical concepts but also the very foundation itself of the reformation, which is justification by faith.
I am a member of the Primitive Baptist church. If you believe that your faith is what justifies you, then how do you explain Gal 2:16? Justification "by the faith OF Jesus Christ". I use the original KJV of the bible, and some versions have changed the word "OF" to read "IN", which makes it man's faith instead of Jesus's faith. It is also Jesus's faith in Eph 2:8.