The Free Gift of Salvation
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John 8:11 And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
esus forgives
We repent
and righteousness is created in us by the word of god
read it and do it.
Obey it believe it
go and sin no more
Jesus never sins
He does the works of rightousness abiding in Gods word and love without straying to fornicate with the devil.
esus forgives
We repent
and righteousness is created in us by the word of god
read it and do it.
Obey it believe it
go and sin no more
Jesus never sins
He does the works of rightousness abiding in Gods word and love without straying to fornicate with the devil.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise of salvation.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise of salvation.
I feel like there is some confusion about what free is supposed to mean.
Free DOES NOT mean God 'just' forgives - Christ paid the price of justice in order to reconcile us.
Free DOES mean that we do not have to pay the price of justice - Christ did that for us.
Free DOES NOT give us a license to live our old lives - this free gift is precious, and it would be a travesty to trample it underfoot.
Free DOES mean that we do not have to work to be reconciled to God - Christ alone is sufficient for that.
Free DOES NOT mean there are no conditions to entry - the Bible clearly states that those with faith will be saved.
Free DOES mean that we are not the ones who have to work to satisfy entry conditions - faith itself is a gift (cf Eph 2)
Free DOES NOT mean God 'just' forgives - Christ paid the price of justice in order to reconcile us.
Free DOES mean that we do not have to pay the price of justice - Christ did that for us.
Free DOES NOT give us a license to live our old lives - this free gift is precious, and it would be a travesty to trample it underfoot.
Free DOES mean that we do not have to work to be reconciled to God - Christ alone is sufficient for that.
Free DOES NOT mean there are no conditions to entry - the Bible clearly states that those with faith will be saved.
Free DOES mean that we are not the ones who have to work to satisfy entry conditions - faith itself is a gift (cf Eph 2)
Well, OP stated we have to pay with our life. So... not free.
That's like saying, "My car is free. The $2,500 price tag? Of course you have to pay 2,500! Free refers to the fact you don't have to cut off your left arm and give it to me."
Saying "salvation is free" sounds wonderful, but it's not free. That's clear from the very next statement OP makes, saying we must pay with our lives. It's clear by all the posts that followed.
It's not that I don't understand what was meant by the word "free", it's that the word "free" is a very poor choice of wording.
That's like saying, "My car is free. The $2,500 price tag? Of course you have to pay 2,500! Free refers to the fact you don't have to cut off your left arm and give it to me."
Saying "salvation is free" sounds wonderful, but it's not free. That's clear from the very next statement OP makes, saying we must pay with our lives. It's clear by all the posts that followed.
It's not that I don't understand what was meant by the word "free", it's that the word "free" is a very poor choice of wording.
Let's try FREE GIFT. I know it's redundant but that's how dull of hearing we are.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
(Rom 5:15-16)
Now I need to ask again, ''What part of FREE GIFT don't ya'll understand???
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
(Rom 5:15-16)
Now I need to ask again, ''What part of FREE GIFT don't ya'll understand???
Perhaps an analogy so we can tease out what we each think on this - someone buys you the most amazing house imaginable, and you are amazed and grateful for this free gift - you do not have to pay a cent. Would that gift change how you live? Would it, perhaps, make you act more favourably towards the other person as a result? And would you define that favourable response as paying for the house, or not?