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What do you have against Paul? He got his gospel directly from Christ. Do you deny his credibility?

Romans 14:4-6 "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
Do you find a commandment of God in these verses or do you have to read it into the text? I read a bunch of weak brothers arguing over man made opinions about food and whether we should fast on any particular day or not. A commandment of God, such as the seventh day being the Lord's Day, is not disputable nor is it an opinion of man.
 
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Your trying to limit the Lord's rest to one day, and debating over which day it is. In so doing, we miss the whole purpose of Christ and the real meaning of rest. Sabbath-keeping is not a Christian sign of the new covenant, Colossians 2:16-17 makes that very clear. If Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, then Christ is the Sabbath, and Christ is our rest. Given a choice, if you could find your rest on Saturdays or find your rest in Christ, which would you choose? "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls" (Matthew 11:29). Our Sabbath rest was fulfilled and realized in Christ
, he is our permanent rest.
The religious Jews placed all kinds of man made burdens on Sabbath observance. Jesus came to do away with all the man made stuff that weighed us down on the Sabbath and caused the seventh day to be miserable rather than a delight. Come to Jesus. Learn what He taught us about how to keep the Sabbath holy and you will find His teachings on Sabbath observance to be a yoke that is easy and a burden that is light. Now go out and celebrate the seventh day. Use it to gather with friends and family in the Lord. God created, blessed and protected that day for that very reason. The seventh day is to be holy unto the LORD.

Nehemiah 8:10 “Go, eat and drink what you enjoy, and give some to him who has nothing ready. For this day is holy to our Lord. Do not be sad for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”
 

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Just one question:

"Where do you find a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath?"
 
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Just one question:

"Where do you find a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath?"
Show me where you find a command in the New Testament where it says I have to honor my mother and father?
 

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“Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise)," Eph. 6:2

Nice dodge, but it didn't work. Answer the question:

"Where do you find a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath?"
 
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“Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise)," Eph. 6:2

Nice dodge, but it didn't work. Answer the question:

"Where do you find a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath?"
Honor your mother and father is the first commandment of the Ten where you find a promise. Now can you name the other nine?
 
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Just one question:

"Where do you find a command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath?"
Genesis teaches when and how the seventh day was created. The Law protects the seventh day holiness, Jesus teaches us how to keep it holy.

Is Jesus teaching us in Matthew 12:12 when to keep the Sabbath or how to keep the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:12 Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Is Jesus teaching us in Matthew 12:1-5 when to keep the Sabbath or how to keep the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. And when the Pharisees saw it,they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

Was Jesus teaching us in Luke 13:14-17 when to keep the Sabbath or how to keep the Sabbath?

Luke 13:14-17 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.” The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it?So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him.

Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath or is He not Lord of the Sabbath?
 
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All of this not really saying it was nothing more than a command of the Old Testament, before Jesus died and rose again. I think you have totally missed the point of Jesus coming. It is not to help us keep Old Testament laws better.

It is to set us free!

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36
 
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All of this not really saying it was nothing more than a command of the Old Testament, before Jesus died and rose again. I think you have totally missed the point of Jesus coming. It is not to help us keep Old Testament laws better.

It is to set us free!

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36
That is correct! The only law we now heed is the "prefect law of liberty"!
 
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Do you find a commandment of God in these verses or do you have to read it into the text? I read a bunch of weak brothers arguing over man made opinions about food and whether we should fast on any particular day or not. A commandment of God, such as the seventh day being the Lord's Day, is not disputable nor is it an opinion of man.
You didn't answer. Do you doubt Paul's credibility? Do you believe that what Paul says is truth, all of it?
 
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I bet they said the same thing to Noah and look where that led them. View attachment 85023
WHAAAAAAT HAHAH they must be stupid as LAND is like three feet behind them HAHAHHA YEAH I know......so what scripture teaches you will die like the people of the flood if you meet on the first day of the week?
 
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WHAAAAAAT HAHAH they must be stupid as LAND is like three feet behind them HAHAHHA YEAH I know......so what scripture teaches you will die like the people of the flood if you meet on the first day of the week?
I don't know how much rejecting the teachings of Jesus is allowed before it affects your outcome at Jesus' second coming. All I know is Noah preached 120 years and then it happened so there is a cut off time.
 

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Acts 15:28
“For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication;
if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well.

Farewell.” :)
 

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You will notice that they (Pharisees/and the like) were trying to force circumcision on the Gentiles. A command given before the Sabbath is explained (and given) according to the bible. Yes, I know, God rested on the 7th day, but he did not command (as far as I can tell from scripture) until Israel came out of Egypt - over 2,600 years after creation week.

You might also find it interesting that the nation of Israel was "born" in Egypt. Yes, I know that the sons of Jacob were not, but there were only 70 that went in!
 
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Scuba, your Sabbath-keeping jingle is getting tiresome. Play a new tune, please.
Sadly, it's the only tune Scuba knows. It's not even a good tune. I want something with a little pizazz, not this.
 
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I don't know how much rejecting the teachings of Jesus is allowed before it affects your outcome at Jesus' second coming. All I know is Noah preached 120 years and then it happened so there is a cut off time.
Oh, really? God told Noah about the Great Flood 120 years prior to it happening but I doubt he preached for 120. The ark itself took less than 75 years to build. That was his witness to his neighbours.
 
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Oh, really? God told Noah about the Great Flood 120 years prior to it happening but I doubt he preached for 120. The ark itself took less than 75 years to build. That was his witness to his neighbours.
Good point! I never really studied how long Noah preached but somewhere over the years I was told it was 120 years so that's what stuck in my head. But now, since you've said that, I checked it and it seems the 120 years preaching is not accurate. It's sort of like when I was told that Sunday is the Lord's day but when I checked I found out that wasn't true either so now I don't teach that anymore, just like I won't teach Noah preaching for 120 years. Thanks for your help!
 
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Do you find a commandment of God in these verses or do you have to read it into the text? I read a bunch of weak brothers arguing over man made opinions about food and whether we should fast on any particular day or not. A commandment of God, such as the seventh day being the Lord's Day, is not disputable nor is it an opinion of man.
So the dietary laws of the Pentetauch are man made opinions? Great stuff. Keep it up.
Keep obeying the laws you pick and chose and disobeying Paul and you'll get there in no time.