The Gathering v The Rapture Theory

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nathan3

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[video=youtube;5anhxsdaVPA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anhxsdaVPA[/video]

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Man I thought you were going to use bible. I don't watch videos. sorry.
 
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peterT

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The most part of that vid was good, but still came short in error in some bits.

They were right, NO pre-trib rapture

NO secret rapture.

And they were right about the last trumpet Rv11

And they were right about the wrath, that comes on the wicked and not on us elect.

And rapture might not be the right word for the event.

And the Bible doesn’t say we meet him in are air bodies, it says we meet him in the air in the clouds.

And rapture might not be the right word but there is some kind of event, as you don’t get to meet the lord in the air in the clouds by jumping up, it’s a catching away by his spirit of some kind, like Elijah was caught up.

You don’t get to stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark by jumping up. There is some kind of catching away, some kind of catching away by his spirit like Elijah when he went into heaven by a whirlwind, he was caught up.

And you don’t get to go before the throne of God, AFTER coming out of great tribulation and serve him day and night in his temple by jumping up.

You don’t get to be redeemed from the earth, by jumping up,

And as for Rv19 being the last trumpet that cannot be right. Yes it is Jesus returning to battle and reign the 1000 years, but it’s not the last trumpet.

Look closer

We are standing on the sea of glass after the victory over the beast, when the seven angels having the seven last plagues pour out the wrath of God upon the people that have the mark of the beast.

And when the sixth angel pour out vials of wrath, the wicked gather together to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. at Armageddon, That is when Rv19 kicks in.

There seems to be a time period from the last trumpet, to when the wicked gather together to the battle of that great day of God Almighty, at Armageddon. They don’t gather together to the battle at Armageddon until the sixth vials, and we are standing on the sea of glass after getting the victory over the beast and his mark, before the wrath vials.

They gather together at Armageddon because they (the wicked) know he is coming, because they have seen us meet him in the air already.

Rv7:.13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
 
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hattiebod

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Thank you, I was saved 13 years ago & immediately was 'Fed' the Left Behind series etc. I believe I am saved through the cross, the blood of Christ & not whether I am pre- or post or zero trib. However, this was a beautifully done piece, so much to explore, and the following post from PeterT, it all encourages me to get into the Word and to trust in Him revealing the truth to me if I seek it with all my heart, with my eyes on Him. He is not a God of confusion. Thank you. <><
 

gb9

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yes, the left behind books were nice books, but to many people took them as Biblical truth when they were a fiction series.
 
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nathan3

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The most part of that vid was good, but still came short in error in some bits.

They were right, NO pre-trib rapture

NO secret rapture.

And they were right about the last trumpet Rv11

And they were right about the wrath, that comes on the wicked and not on us elect.

And rapture might not be the right word for the event.

And the Bible doesn’t say we meet him in are air bodies, it says we meet him in the air in the clouds.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


That is the same event in

1 thess 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Just the way it is said here :

1 Corinthians 15:51-52



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

its the same. The same.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

That is what Paul is saying Will happen to those that are alive and remain, :

1thess 4
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The clouds are a gathering of all the people. In the air, as Paul just stated in 1 cor 15, is in those changed bodies.
 
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peterT

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1 Corinthians 15:51-52


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


That is the same event in

1 thess 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Just the way it is said here :

1 Corinthians 15:51-52



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

its the same. The same.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

That is what Paul is saying Will happen to those that are alive and remain, :

1thess 4
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The clouds are a gathering of all the people. In the air, as Paul just stated in 1 cor 15, is in those changed bodies.
Yep, no augment with that brother

But that doesn’t say we meet him in the air bodies, it say we meet him in the air in the clouds.
 
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nathan3

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oh well . what can I say. talk in chat some time about it with me . bye .