the green/pale horse

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john832

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Well, let's see if Christ can help us out here...

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

First Seal:

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Religious deception.

Second Seal:

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: ...

Wars, rumors of wars and world war (nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom)

Third Seal:

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Mat 24:7 ... and there shall be famines,...

Widespread famine and scarcity.

Fourth Seal:

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Mat 24:7 ... and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Widespread death resulting from disease epidemics as well as natural occurrences.

Fifth Seal:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Religious persecution and martyrdom.

Sixth Seal:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The heavenly signs announcing the Day of the Lord.
 
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it could well be..however..it is also assumptions. We could list any particular SIN or issue and place them in each of the colored horses and they will go round and round like a merry-go-round! Pride, Nazism, Adultery, etc. Does it really matter, deep down? GOD has HIs reasons and choices for listing them in the way and style that HE gave them to John on Patmos. Our purpose in life is to share JESUS to others so that they don't have to worry about the END TIMES here on this earth.
 
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sveinen

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#43
still, i bravely claim my motives are not loco :D
so i got a big book, and stand by Christ As He Claimed Me. and For The Sake Of Life Me's possibly Holy Rebuke death. Holy Spirit Knows How To Pray. bible taught me's death enemy. nows, will you guys repent for avoiding me Horse (my horse, ok :p me'a like to write. pitty so few of you bother read :) ) ..Turning black [also]?
i might have rode red horse in africa and balkans in the ninetys. not my choice. then again recently. i claim to would have chosen my life before these slaughters. just doing my job. "it's similar to when you work miracles. you're not boss."
(wars all over? kill your devils, not the unborn.)
Sveinen Winning Victorious, not a car :p
 
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sveinen

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#44
seems i do prophecy against dark horse famine.. God One :)
"so some think they find my posts strange." .. God Is Moving.
"yeah i had the bad things from revelation already."
Love
 
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oldthennew

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#45
Matt.24. parallels Rev.6.

Matt.24:5.
For many will come in My name, saying, (I Am Christ) and will deceive many.
this parallels Rev.6:2.
And I looked, and behold, a white horse.
He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out
conquering and to conquer.
=this is false religion., or (the white horse)=first seal.
Matt.24:6.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars...and so on...(this is the red horse)=second seal.
if you compare (Matt.5:29.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
this parallels Rev.6:12-13.=this is the 6th seal.
(may the reader compare to see that this is the SAME time frame and fill-in the blanks...

we use the scripture to interpret the scripture -
(one example here is the sun becoming black and the moon turning to blood) -
we can find many, many parallel events such as
Joel 2:30-31.
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the
great and awesome Day of The Lord.

this gives us a very precise time-line, it shows us how the WHOLE SCRIPTURE intertwines -
there's a multitude of events going on at the same time -
again, 'let the scripture interpret the scripture'.

awesome stuff put here for us all, may we all be steadfast and diligent in learning
and growing in these precious gifts that our Father has given us to explore and mine the gold.
 
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sveinen

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#46
still, i bravely claim my motives are not loco :D
so i got a big book, and stand by Christ As He Claimed Me. and For The Sake Of Life Me's possibly Holy Rebuke death. Holy Spirit Knows How To Pray. bible taught me's death enemy. nows, will you guys repent for avoiding me Horse (my horse, ok :p me'a like to write. pitty so few of you bother read :) ) ..Turning black [also]?
i might have rode red horse in africa and balkans in the ninetys. not my choice. then again recently. i claim to would have chosen my life before these slaughters. just doing my job. "it's similar to when you work miracles. you're not boss."
(wars all over? kill your devils, not the unborn.)
Sveinen Winning Victorious, not a car :p
"we thinks it's all Christ Having His Through, you other flock, you."
"versions..."
PLEASE MIND HE ALSO PUT DOOR LIFE.
..then there's checking on Him Alive, ok.
well, bible kinda informs you don't repent.
"just feed me. i'm not gay. guess you prayed for nice, not gruesome and bad, eh."
Fear Christ.
 
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sveinen

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#47
Matt.24. parallels Rev.6.

Matt.24:5.
For many will come in My name, saying, (I Am Christ) and will deceive many.
this parallels Rev.6:2.
And I looked, and behold, a white horse.
He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out
conquering and to conquer.
=this is false religion., or (the white horse)=first seal.
Matt.24:6.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars...and so on...(this is the red horse)=second seal.
if you compare (Matt.5:29.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
this parallels Rev.6:12-13.=this is the 6th seal.
(may the reader compare to see that this is the SAME time frame and fill-in the blanks...

we use the scripture to interpret the scripture -
(one example here is the sun becoming black and the moon turning to blood) -
we can find many, many parallel events such as
Joel 2:30-31.
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the
great and awesome Day of The Lord.

this gives us a very precise time-line, it shows us how the WHOLE SCRIPTURE intertwines -
there's a multitude of events going on at the same time -
again, 'let the scripture interpret the scripture'.

awesome stuff put here for us all, may we all be steadfast and diligent in learning
and growing in these precious gifts that our Father has given us to explore and mine the gold.
sorry about your "false religion" claim there.
you think "scripture intertwines" whilst High O don't?
lovelovelove
<3
 
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oldthennew

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#48
Well, let's see if Christ can help us out here...

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

First Seal:

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Religious deception.

Second Seal:

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: ...

Wars, rumors of wars and world war (nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom)

Third Seal:

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Mat 24:7 ... and there shall be famines,...

Widespread famine and scarcity.

Fourth Seal:

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Mat 24:7 ... and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Widespread death resulting from disease epidemics as well as natural occurrences.

Fifth Seal:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Religious persecution and martyrdom.

Sixth Seal:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The heavenly signs announcing the Day of the Lord.
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John8:32,

we do love our Lord's timing,:) for it is written,
'By the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter shall be established.'
 

mailmandan

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#49
And the green is Islam because the official color of islam is green and if you look around at what is happening...well there's a lot of death happening due to Islam.

Just some thoughts I had.
Interesting thoughts. When I think of Islam, this verse comes to mind. Proverbs 8:36 - "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death."
 
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I see it more of a timeline of events. Lets remember the spirit of antichrist is behind all of this, whether its political or religious.

First Seal: White horse is coming in peace, bow no arrows is sign of strength without aggression, crown is an appointed ruler (not necessarily one man, could be system like UN) , conquering and to conquer shows seeking dominance.

Second Seal: Red horse symbolizes bloodshed, hence the sword

Third Seal: Black horse represents mourning and suffering, scales representing the economy and recession, oil and wine are luxuries that are grown so most likely poor harvests.

Fourth Seal: Pale horse or sickly, foreshadowing the types of death to come, mass depopulation by force, "natural and incidental" causes.

To write it plainly I would say there is going to be a powerful government that tries to dominate by pseudo peaceful methods like governments changing laws and removing rights. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and is going on in US. This will be followed by civil wars and anarchy causing bloodshed. The outcome of that will be economic fallout. I can see how if there is no type of currency everything would stop functioning. If the farmer isn't getting paid why grow the food? How would it be transported, who would market it? With limited food sources, no functioning medical system, no sanitation system and cities crammed with people mass death is inevitable. People will be forced into the wilderness for hunting and fishing and living off of the land. To put it simply city slickers will provide many meals for the wild beasts in the wilderness.

In all honesty this is bad but but it would be almost a blessing to die in that tragedy compared to the sixth seal. There are a lot of people who dismiss the talk of Nibiru or Planet X but a fly by of a huge cosmic mass sure sounds probable for this one. The gravitational pull would cause the mantle of earth to separate at the fault lines causing huge earthquake. The volcanoes erupting would cause ash clouds or an eclipse? The debris towed by the planet would be sucked in by Earth causing what seems to be "stars falling to earth as ripe figs". Some of the atmosphere would be displaced or "the sky receding as a scroll when it is rolled up. Every mountain and island was moved out of its place from mantle shift. Then everybody hides in the rocks and mountains. The rich and powerful to their already constructed bunkers and everyone else for themselves.

As well this could explain some of the trumpet judgments. Hail, fire, blood (oxidized iron mixed with water) falling from the heavens. Increased radiation from depleted ozone and magnetic shield weakening. Larger asteroids falling into ocean and Great Lakes.

To be honest with all of the information and misinformation on the internet it is quite a challenge making an informed decision but it sure would explain a lot.

I apologize for getting slightly off topic.
 
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sveinen

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John8:32,

we do love our Lord's timing,:) for it is written,
'By the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter shall be established.'
sweet. howcome his witnesses have not been his in a while?
 
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I have a comic book that shows this on the cover.........I have quite a few problems with this view...for example the particulars of the seals and how they are hard to associate with the last 1900+ years of HISTORY as in...

1. The white horse thundering with a rider who holds a bow and has a crown...he (nikao) conquers, overcomes and gets the victory which leads to a state of PEACE that is world wide....you say how can this lead to peace....NEXT

2. The RED horse which thunders and takes PEACE FROM THE EARTH<---Earth can be translated (the whole of the GLOBE) 1st Thessalonians 5 WHEN THEY SHALL SAY PEACE AND SAFETY.....PEACE<--same word as applied unto second horse...a state where the world is free from the rage and havoc of war...SO WORLD PEACE then WORLD WAR

3. A days wage for the price of a quart of wheat or three quarts of barley<--not even a loaf of bread.....This has happened regionally and during times of shortages, but NOT ON A WORLD WIDE SCALE

4. 4th seal kills a quarter of the EARTHS population at the results of the 2nd and 3rd seal...WORLD WAR=DEATH on a massive scale, disease and famine associated with a GLOBAL WAR.....

5. 5th seal.....MANY killed for a witness and testimony of JESUS...told to rest a while until their fellow servants and BROTHERS KILLED in LIKE MANNER<---THE ONLY OTHER ONES MENTIONED are those who are BEHEADED for a refusal to take the MARK and or worship the IMAGE of the beast or the BEAST....deductive reasoning leads me to believe they are BEHEADED for the cause.........

I cannot jive these facts with world history the last 1900+ years, but I can easily see this coming at the end of the age.......and jive this with what is lining up with Russia and the MUSLIMS under a radicalized form of ISLAM and the beast/little horn being the predicted 12th IMAM and ruler of the Muslim world, with the last POPE of a unified Greek Orthodox/Catholic union being the false prophet!

Just my view and some thoughts to ponder......
 

john832

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John8:32,

we do love our Lord's timing,:) for it is written,
'By the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter shall be established.'
What is interesting about this is that a couple of years ago, Iran was the King of the South, now Islam, specifically ISIL is. The Bible interprets itself and Christ, being the Revelator, interpreted Revelation in His overall outline in Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

What some fail to see is how cohesive the Bible really is.
 
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sassylady

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#54
I believe I heard that as well from End Times Ministries. I don't jump on the first bandwagon but that one made a lot of sense.
 
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Reformed_Baptist

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#55
Is the green/pale horse Islam?

Red --> communism
white --> holy roman empire
black --> capitalism (I think)
green/pale --> Islam

Thoughts?
What meaning would that have had to the churches of Asia Minor in the first century to whom this Revelation was given?

The Horse imagery is an allusion back to Zech 1:8 and the rider of the 'pale' horse is actually the Lord Jesus Christ, see Rev 19.
 

PennEd

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I do believe "pale" (green) horse is Islam personally;

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I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth....

I am always skeptical of these types of maps. There are probably more genuine Christians in China today than there is in America. The demographers probably still pencil me in as a catholic even though I became a Christian over 20 yrs ago.
 

JFSurvivor

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What meaning would that have had to the churches of Asia Minor in the first century to whom this Revelation was given?

The Horse imagery is an allusion back to Zech 1:8 and the rider of the 'pale' horse is actually the Lord Jesus Christ, see Rev 19.
Well I think revelation was written for US as kind of a...um...manuel for interpreting the last days. I think the horses are deffinitly symbolic and I think God used the horses to show John what was to come because he wouldn't have understood what he was seeing of God showed him communism or socialism or islam or even the holy roman empire. John wasn't stupid, he was just from a different time where they didn't even have electricity. If I showed John a lamp he probably would have penned it as "whitchcraft" or "a mini sun".

Ok back on topic! That's why I think the horses are symbolic. Does that make sense? Like they REPRESENT this this and this. So yeah...
 
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oldthennew

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#58
What is interesting about this is that a couple of years ago, Iran was the King of the South, now Islam, specifically ISIL is. The Bible interprets itself and Christ, being the Revelator, interpreted Revelation in His overall outline in Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

What some fail to see is how cohesive the Bible really is.
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John8:32,

we are both amazed at the absolute depth and different levels of scripture -
it truly is an amazing BOOK that could only come through a 'Devine Mind'.

thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and understanding, we know
that the Holy Spirit will never 'retire' us from this most excellent miracle
of Love, may we all draw closer and closer to our Maker.

Blessings...
 
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Reformed_Baptist

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Well I think revelation was written for US as kind of a...um...manuel for interpreting the last days.
With all due respect it is not about what you think though is it?

Consider the testimony of the book of Revelation itself.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-- things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John.

Notice what is said here! The things mentioned were to take place shortly! This is not to say they do not have a relevance for us today, but it clearly shows that they had a relevance then as well.

Consider also that the book contains 7 letters to seven churches that existed at the time - the book was written for those people first!

What makes you think this generation is so special that we this book was written for us to understand? The trust is that in every generation of the church Christians could find 4 enemies to link with these horses if they so wished!

I think the horses are deffinitly symbolic and I think God used the horses to show John what was to come because he wouldn't have understood what he was seeing of God showed him communism or socialism or islam or even the holy roman empire. John wasn't stupid, he was just from a different time where they didn't even have electricity. If I showed John a lamp he probably would have penned it as "whitchcraft" or "a mini sun".
Yet you have not supported your claim from the word of God - is this how scripture works? Is it open to such private interpretation or is it God's eternal truth?

Ok back on topic! That's why I think the horses are symbolic. Does that make sense? Like they REPRESENT this this and this. So yeah...
We never left the topic at hand, I just gave an answer that doesn't fit with your thinking. That does not make the answer to the question any less valid. my friend, if you want to understand the bible let the bible interpret itself - those people who have taken prophetic words and applied them to themselves and their current age (as people have done in every generation) have been shown to be incorrect at every turn - maybe we can learn history :D
 

john832

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If, as you assert, τάχος, means must shortly come to pass, then we missed the tribulation, the return of Christ and the Millennium.

There is another understanding of this passage; once these things begin to occur, they will occur in a very short time, they will occur quickly.

That, or as I said, we have missed everything including the New Heavens and New Earth.