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The Hebrew Roots Movement

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The Hebrew Roots Movement is a contemporary :rolleyes: global spiritual movement that advocates the return and adherence to the first century faith of Jesus Christ by seeking a better understanding of the culture, history, and religio-political backdrop of that era which led to the core differences with both the Jewish, and later, Christian communities. [1] The term “Hebrew Roots” resulted from the journey to investigate and discover the first century faith, but also to distinguish and differentiate itself from other religious organizations that may have common beliefs, which could cause identity confusion in the public eye. The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament gospels.

Where did the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM) get started?

One of the earliest forms of the Hebrew Roots Movement is seen in the Ebionites, a sect the early church deemed to be a heretical group of Judaizers. They regarded Jesus as the Messiah, but also insisted on the necessity of following Jewish religious law and rites. Since the early 20th century, different religious organizations have been teaching a belief in Jesus Christ as one's personal savior and in keeping the Sabbath and the annual Feasts or Holy Days. In other words they preach Christ as Savior but you must keep laws to maintain your salvation. This is a contradiction and not a biblical definition of salvation, which is by grace alone not by our works. These include Messianic Judaism (to a very limited degree), starting in 1916 and the Sacred Name Movement (SCM) starting in 1937, and the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) in the 1930s. Aater they formed what is known today as the Hebrew Roots Movement. Thus far, the WCG has had the greatest impact among all organizations in teaching these beliefs, including obedience to much of the Old Testament law, both nationally and internationally. [2],[3]

What does the Hebrew Roots Movement teach?

It should be noted that Hebrew Roots Movement theology includes at least seven distinct core differences from Protestantism, Seventh-day Adventism, Rabbinic Judaism, and Messianic Judaism [4]

The HRM teaches that both the Old and New Testaments are held as holy books, but the Old testament takes president over the New Testament. The "Torah" (what they typically call the first five books of the Old Testament) serves as the foundation to all subsequent understanding and interpretation of Scripture. A foundational distinction of the Hebrew Roots movement is the manner in which Scripture is translated and interpreted so that later testimony or the New Testament does not conflict with Torah commandments. It is believed by those in HRM that Jesus Christ did not come to establish a new religion or to “do away” with the law, even though the New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus was "abolishing the law" just as the death of a spouse abolishes a marriage (Ephesians 2:15). They also do not believe that in the advent of the New Covenant through Jesus death on the cross, the Old covenant was made "obsolete" and with the destruction of the temple the Old Covenant would "vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13). Followers of the Hebrew Roots movement advocate a return to total Torah/Christian Torah-submission.

The Hebrew Roots Movement also teaches that Salvation derives from the belief in Jesus Christ as personal savior, not from commandment/Torah keeping; however, believers are rewarded according to their fruits, works, and obedience. Hebrew Roots followers believe that sin is breaking the written Torah (1 John 3:4), all of the purity laws such as dietary restrictions and Sabbath keeping are in the written Torah, thus it is sin to not keep Sabbath and to eat forbidden food. In the HRM the Law overwrites the Grace and the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. In other words, Law trumps Grace. It is also true, according to Hebrew Roots Movement followers, that those who are truly born of God will not continue in sin (1 John 3:9), therefore, if you are not moved to keep Sabbath or keep dietary restrictions, you must not truly be born of God.

This movement also teaches that Old Testament and the Torah Laws teachings of the New Testament are to be obeyed by both Jews and Gentiles. This is paired with a basic lack of understanding that it is impossible to keep the Old Covenant without a tabernacle or temple. This movement relies heavily on the teaching of the law and not the grace of Christ found in the New Testament.

What are some of the basic errors in this movement’s theology and teachings?

There is a multitude of errors within the Hebrew Roots Movement ranging from their misinterpreted teaching on the Law and the Gospel to not fully understanding the salvific meaning of the atonement of Christ. Another area of concern is the movement’s insistence on keeping the Sabbath day. They follow very closely to the old Law of what is and is not keeping the Sabbath day holy. This while in thought may be good in practice this can lead to legalism and making following the laws of God and Idol over a relationship with Christ.

Another major area of concern is in the theology of the HRM and their understanding of what the Old Testament represents today with in the body of Christianity. The HRM’s emphasis on the use of the Old Testament as their guide for their religious practices and beliefs miss the entire point of the Old Testament meaning. The Old Testament is the foreshadowing which is pointing to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Everywhere we look within the Old Testament we see foreshadowing or prophecies of Christ and His coming, death, resurrection and second coming. The Hebrew Roots Movement severely negates this quintessential purpose of the Old Testament and tries to put the use of Old Testament Law over it's real purpose.

Some of the other errors in HRM is that it calls for Christians to recognize extra-biblical Jewish books, which are supposed to give fuller understanding of the Greek New Testament. In fact some within the movement go so far as to proclaim the Hebrew Scriptures are the authentic scriptures, not the Greek text. The Canon of Scripture is closed and preserved by the Lord in the Greek language. Whether Christians are from Jewish backgrounds or not, we must all recognize the authority of God's Word, as given to us in the Canon of Holy Scripture. No other books can or should be added to this Canon. We do not need extra biblical revelation to be added to God's completed Word.

One could say that this movement by its teaching could be seeking to cast doubt on the faith once delivered to the church by challenging the very Scriptures we have been given by the Lord. They claim Christians can't fully understand the Scripture until we understand the Torah. But the opposite is true. You will not understand the Old Testament (or the Torah) until you have both the New Testament and the Old Testament working together in unison.While the Old Testament is great is for pointing to the foreshadowing of the coming Messiah it is not to be our schoolmaster. We are living under the New Covenant of the New Testament.

While in theory there are aspects within the Hebrew Roots Movements teachings that certainly can be beneficial like; Seeking to explore the Jewish culture and perspective, within which most of the Bible was written. We can open and enrich our understanding of the Scriptures, adding insight and depth to many of the passages, parables and idioms. There is nothing wrong with Gentiles and Jews joining together in celebrating the feasts and enjoying a Messianic style of worship, for the purpose of learning historical representation of our Christian heritage. The Hebrew Roots Movement itself is riddled with false teachings and misrepresentations of the essentials of the Christian faith under the teachings of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ which we are under today.

[1] Q & A for House of David Fellowship | Hebrew Roots
[2] Religious Tolerance: The Worldwide Church of God, and various splinter groups. All about religious tolerance: the ReligiousTolerance.org web site
[3] John Dart. 1989, April 1. Top Ratings for Schuller, 'World Tomorrow' : Two TV Ministries Rise Above Bible Belt. Los Angeles Times. Top Ratings for Schuller, 'World Tomorrow' : Two TV Ministries Rise Above Bible Belt - Los Angeles Times
[4] Hebrew Roots Theology: 7 Distinctive Core Differences. http://www.ourfathersfestival.net/hebrew_roots
 

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Revelation 12

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The dragon knows who to go after.

That is those that "hear and do" like they are commanded.
 

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In other words they preach Christ as Savior but you must keep laws to maintain your salvation. This is a contradiction and not a biblical definition of salvation, which is by grace alone not by our works.
You guys have a law (we'll call it Protestant Law) that says, "Don't obey any of God's Torah for the sake of being obedient to Torah, and if you disobey this Protestant Law then you'll be cut off from Christ." So how is your faith different from a works-based Hebrew Roots faith? Let's break this down.

1. The Torah already says, "Do not [yadda yadda]." That is, do not kill, do not eat, do not steal, do not hate, do not practice homosexual acts, etc.
2. Without Christ the penalty for breaking Torah is spiritual death.
3. You have your own Protestant Law, which says, "Do not obey anything in the Torah to be obedient to God's Torah."
4. Your belief is that if you break Protestant Law you will be cut off from Christ. So you not only argue that without Christ you are condemned, but that with Christ you are still condemned if you break Protestant Law. That renders Christ's sacrifice void.

How is this different from the salvation-by-obedience cults you speak of? Protestant Law is a completely man-made law, stemming from a misinterpretation of Paul's teachings, and carrying with it the penalty of spiritual estrangement from God and rendering the Gospel inadequate. Why not instead have faith in Christ rather than fear obeying the Torah of God?

Since we're talking about cults this appeared to be a red flag to me now that I finally understand your folks' position. You say, "Do not do; otherwise you'll be cut off from Christ." Is this an incorrect assessment of your beliefs?
 
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How is this different from the salvation-by-obedience cults you speak of? Protestant Law is a completely man-made law, stemming from a misinterpretation of Paul's teachings, and carrying with it the penalty of spiritual estrangement from God and rendering the Gospel inadequate. Why not instead have faith in Christ rather than fear obeying the Torah of God?

Since we're talking about cults this appeared to be a red flag to me now that I finally understand your folks' position. You say, "Do not do; otherwise you'll be cut off from Christ." Is this an incorrect assessment of your beliefs?
Yes, that's incorrect.

We (as Gentile believers) were not grafted into the Law and Judaism but into the faith of Abraham which preceded the Law and Jewish customs (Romans 4, Romans 11:17-24, Galatians 3:15-18). The law was given because of transgressions and to be our tutor to lead us to Christ (Galatians 3:19,24,25). Jesus fulfilled all of the requirements of the law (Matthew 5:17-20) for all time (John 19:30, Romans 5:12-21). We were “made to die to the Law through the body of Christ” so that we might be joined to Him (Romans 7:1-6, Galatians 2:19,21) because Christ is “the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Romans 10:4). You mature in Christ and please Him by the same means by which you were saved…by faith…not by following the Law.
 

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I don't think understanding the Hebrew roots is bad unless we focus to much time on knowing it and keeping it. I learn from time a little more about the Hebrew roots and it makes me understand scripture better but does not change my direction because I still follow after Christ.
 
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I don't think understanding the Hebrew roots is bad unless we focus to much time on knowing it and keeping it. I learn from time a little more about the Hebrew roots and it makes me understand scripture better but does not change my direction because I still follow after Christ.
Studying is fine! Learning Hebrew and reading the OT in the original language is edifying to any Christian.

It's the practicing part that leads us away from the completeness of the Blood of the Lamb. Christians should follow Paul's letters very closely in that regard.

 

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It's the practicing part that leads us away from the completeness of the Blood of the Lamb. Christians should follow Paul's letters very closely in that regard.

So you would be of the opinion that practicing the Law gradually leads us away from faith in Christ? Not necessarily that obeying it once immediately severs our ties to Christ in spite of continuing in the faith?
 

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John 14

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Messiah tells us how we are to love Him, we are to Keep His words.
 
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So you would be of the opinion that practicing the Law gradually leads us away from faith in Christ? Not necessarily that obeying it once immediately severs our ties to Christ in spite of continuing in the faith?
:confused: Sigh...are you practicing the Law?

Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

How badly will the Orthodox Jews beat you when you try to enter their Temple?

Catriel’s Notebook: "Messianic Synagogues" Target Jews but Hit Christians, Some of Whom Are Converting to Judaism ¤

"Traditional Judaism will never accept Messianic Judaism as a legitimate expression of the Jewish faith..."
[video=youtube;5jG6kJm-50k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jG6kJm-50k[/video]
 

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:confused: Sigh...are you practicing the Law?

Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

How badly will the Orthodox Jews beat you when you try to enter their Temple?
I'm honestly trying to understand your perspective on this. And I didn't see an answer in your post. You don't have to, but I would certainly appreciate it if you would clarify your stance on the following question:

So you would be of the opinion that practicing the Law gradually leads us away from faith in Christ? Not necessarily that obeying it once immediately severs our ties to Christ in spite of continuing in the faith?
 
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I'm honestly trying to understand your perspective on this. And I didn't see an answer in your post. You don't have to, but I would certainly appreciate it if you would clarify your stance on the following question:

So you would be of the opinion that practicing the Law gradually leads us away from faith in Christ? Not necessarily that obeying it once immediately severs our ties to Christ in spite of continuing in the faith?
The first time someone "rests" on Sabbath (however they define that for their own flesh)--instead of taking up their cross--is already ignoring Him. Abraham didn't keep Sabbath as far as the Bible says.

Luke 9:23And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
 

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The first time someone "rests" on Sabbath (however they define that for their own flesh)--instead of taking up their cross--is already ignoring Him. Abraham didn't keep Sabbath as far as the Bible says.

Luke 9:23And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
So in your opinion it is a gradual falling away from faith in Christ, first starting with ignoring his words, when someone starts abiding by God's laws.
 
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So in your opinion it is a gradual falling away from faith in Christ, first starting with ignoring his words, when someone starts abiding by God's laws.
For me, I suppose it is evidence that the faith in Christ alone was never there, because I don't believe its possible to fall away once we have believed on Him.
 

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Do you realize that there are two laws in the New Testament - God's law/Torah and the law of the state with its commandments that humans added? I think Christ was very much against the law of the state that came from God's Torah but that was edited and added to by mere human beings. I sometimes think that people mix these two laws up and mistake Christ's position as being against Torah when he was really against the laws of men. The following is another example of why I believe the way I do:

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

My focus here is on the underlined portion. Here Christ says that they should have obeyed both groups of laws - the tithe of mint, anise, cummin, etc. as well as judgment, mercy and faith. He could've just as easily said, "ye ought to have obeyed the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" and ended with that. But he included all of the laws. His approach was very comprehensive.

Today there is a focus on the weightier matters of the law but a neglect of the smaller matters. If Christ were among us today he'd still be telling us, "... these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."
 

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.......Messianic Judaism (to a very limited degree), starting in 1916 and the Sacred Name Movement (SCM) starting in 1937, and the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) in the 1930s. Aater they formed what is known today as the Hebrew Roots Movement. Thus far, the WCG has had the greatest impact among all organizations in teaching these beliefs, including obedience to much of the Old Testament law, both nationally and internationally. [2],[3]
Hebrew Roots, The Four Waves & Their Roots

A Little “Identity” Crisis ~ British Israelism

A Little "Identity" Crisis~ British Israelism
 
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Since we're talking about cults this appeared to be a red flag to me now that I finally understand your folks' position. You say, "Do not do; otherwise you'll be cut off from Christ." Is this an incorrect assessment of your beliefs?
Of course it's incorrect. Most of what you stated are mischaracterizations. New covenant law isn't 'do not do', but believe into Christ and love one's neighbor. Obedience to the new covenant doesn't focus on the old covenant and its laws, but on Christ. Your comments indicate an old covenant focus.
 

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Hebrew Roots, The Four Waves & Their Roots

A Little “Identity” Crisis ~ British Israelism

A Little "Identity" Crisis~ British Israelism
da plot thickens.


"A telephone conversation April 7, to John Hagee Ministries revealed that, while having been charismatic, they now refer to themselves as "Info-Revival". Their church has been organized with a governmental leadership of 12 and the congregation is divided into twelve tribes. They now teach that the "Chosen people" are Israelites and all Christians must be Israelites, therefore each must become part of one of the Israeli tribes. According to the Hagee Ministry representative, those failing to adhere to one of the 12 tribes gets prayed over until they desire to belong. They do not consider themselves to be a Messianic congregation."

A Little "Identity" Crisis~ British Israelism

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So in your opinion it is a gradual falling away from faith in Christ, first starting with ignoring his words, when someone starts abiding by God's laws.
Works of law are manifestation of the absence of faith. When people start exalting the words of Moses above the words of Christ, they are not abiding by GOD's laws. They have become lawless.
 

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When people start exalting the words of Moses above the words of Christ, they are not abiding by GOD's laws.
Don't confuse God's words, which were spoken to human beings through Moses, for being Moses' words. Those laws were God's laws just as the laws Christ taught us are also God's laws. At any rate, you guys are free to disagree with me on this point as long as you have your faith in Christ. Your salvation is secure. That is the Gospel. You see, I don't say that you reject Christ's and Paul's teachings and that this is a sign of your lack of faith, because I recognize it as a difference of opinion on what they taught. In other words it may not be a heart matter. Maybe your guys' hearts are in the right place. I don't know. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not trying to get you guys to follow God's teachings. It's the difference of opinion on the matter that interests me. So I like to understand where you guys are coming from. Imagine every time you went to church you heard the pastor put down communion and baptism and said, "Thank God homosexuals are free from those useless laws and we're in an age of love!" This is similar to what I sit through whenever I go to church, but I still go to church in the hope that I can learn something new. It can be a little frustrating, but I've come to terms with it.

In the past I didn't consider myself a Messianic Jew, but I still believed in obeying God. And there are some points that I disagree with Messianic Jews on. So call me whatever you like. It's not the title that matters but the person. I believe in obeying the Torah for the sake of obeying God and leading a life that Christ would approve of. If this is obeying the Torah for the sake of obeying it then it is. If it's obeying the Torah out of love and faith, then it is. But my faith is secure in Christ at this moment, and I am firmly against the concept of earning one's salvation. So I don't know what else to say.
 
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Don't confuse God's words, which were spoken to human beings through Moses, for being Moses' words. Those laws were God's laws just as the laws Christ taught us are also God's laws.
But the words spoken through Moses weren't Christ's words. Different words for different times and people.

The law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17​