The heresies of the many

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Reborn

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purgedconscience said:
Shame on you.

Rather than address what's been said, all we get are comments about time, age and an alleged hatred of the game. What game? Do you think that life is a game? You're an active participant in the Speak your mind thread. Do you think that it's a game or some type of sport that so many people there are saying their good-byes? I don't. Not at all. And your time comment is equally as ridiculous. Again, read the words of your own friends here. According to their testimony, this garbage has been transpiring here regularly for a long, long time, so my being here only a little more than a week is irrelevant.

Age? Did you mention age? Many of you behave like two year olds. Stomping your feet. Throwing temper tantrums. Demanding your ways. Dirtying your diapers and the stench has become more than many people here can bear.

You seem to be friends with some people here who seem genuinely nice, so I'm willing to assume that this was just poor judgment on your part.
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Shame on you.
Do much judging?

All you've done since you've joined, is whine......you don't have any idea what you're even talking about.

Some of these "battles" have been ongoing for months.
You stroll into the middle of it, and say....,hey, what's with all the fighting, everyone.

Stay out of it, if you dislike it.
Don't read the posts.
Simple solution.
 
dcontroversal

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Viligant_Warrior said:
How does the amount of time on this board have anything to do with someone's spiritual maturity?

Besides, anybody with one good eye and one functioning brain cell can tell that there's something terribly wrong which regularly takes place on this forum and it began, apparently, long before I ever arrived. Go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many people there are saying their good-byes to this place and why. They're not leaving because of me, but because of people here whose consciences have apparently been seared with a hot iron and who deem themselves the spiritual elite or the heresy hunters.
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Biblical truth is important, don't you think? And as I asked another today, if we know we have been led to our conclusions about doctrinal beliefs, but stand opposed to one another, what do we do?

Are you sure about that? Jonah had made up his mind about Nineveh despite God's desire for him to preach repentance to them. Seems to me you, who have been on the board for eight days (???) have made a dire judgment about a good portion of the membership here. I say "good portion" because, as you read through your thread and mine, you see most seem to agree with me, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't actually counted.

Well, as we all know, "And the word of God came to Johah a second time" (Jonah 3:1) and he went to Nineveh. He stopped running and was obedient. He didn't say, "let them rip" -- he said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown." I'm certain that wasn't his full message. I'm sure people came up to him and said "What do we do?" Then he would speak with them and share the truth.

Like most of us here do, those of us whom you apparently think are "haughty." It's odd that we think the same thing of those who share partial truths and half-Scriptures, isn't it? But I think we can find a middle ground where both of us can learn from the other. I think we should to stop expecting the person we contend with will be converted, though I'm sure both of us can hope for truth to be preached -- and there's only one truth.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that...ONE truth concerning everything!
 
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purgedconscience

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Reborn said:
Shame on you.
Do much judging?

All you've done since you've joined, is whine......you don't have any idea what you're even talking about.

Some of these "battles" have been ongoing for months.
You stroll into the middle of it, and say....,hey, what's with all the fighting, everyone.

Stay out of it, if you dislike it.
Don't read the posts.
Simple solution.
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If it's such a simple solution, then why aren't you employing it in your own life? In other words, what are you doing here passing your own judgments?

I'll upgrade you to double shame on you in that your own friends are planning a mass exodus and instead of trying to stop those who are the cause of the same you choose to take on one of the ones who is trying to stop the same.
 
dcontroversal

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psychomom said:
my account is all but deleted, merely awaiting the dawn on the other side of the world.

as a parting word, please do take at least a measure of what's been said seriously.
perhaps i miss my guess in you, in which case i apologize.
i do not know your doctrinal stances, or whether or not you attend a local church.

the people who make me so sad i am leaving are not the people you may imagine.
strife and controversy are stirred up, yet it's not done openly, but in cover of darkness.

do 'ware rabbit holes.

take care.
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For the record I have enjoyed your posts and insight....crying shame your leaving.....
 
Reborn

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purgedconscience said:
If it's such a simple solution, then why aren't you employing it in your own life? In other words, what are you doing here passing your own judgments?

I'll upgrade you to double shame on you in that your own friends are planning a mass exodus and instead of trying to stop those who are the cause of the same you choose to take on one of the ones who is trying to stop the same.
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I'm trying to give you a heads up! People have told you politely, maybe if we yell for a post or two, you will step back for a second.

It's a nobel thought. I actually agree with the concept.
Once you've been here for a bit, you'll see.......it won't change.

It'd be nice, but it won't happen.
That's what forums are about.

So, you can keep complaining or get on board and avoid it.
This isn't a us and them problem at the moment, brother......this is simply about the dude who keeps liking your posts above.
Pay close attention.
 
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dcontroversal said:
For the record I have enjoyed your posts and insight....crying shame your leaving.....
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I am going to miss her genuine sincerity in her posts and the love of God that shines through them. Ellie, you will be greatly missed. But when God calls all of his children home we will have a huge family reunion. I just hope that is not for a long time because I do want to get married and have kids first, if you know what I mean.
 
Blain

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Why is mom leaving? I don't want to lose her I love her dearly I will be very depressed if I never get to see her again
 
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cmarieh said:
I am going to miss her genuine sincerity in her posts and the love of God that shines through them. Ellie, you will be greatly missed. But when God calls all of his children home we will have a huge family reunion. I just hope that is not for a long time because I do want to get married and have kids first, if you know what I mean.
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i hope for those things for you, too, dear heart.

maybe on that Great Day you'll bake me some cupcakes, though? :)

xoxo
 
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Why is mom leaving? I don't want to lose her I love her dearly I will be very depressed if I never get to see her again
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inbox, quick! ♥
 
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psychomom said:
i hope for those things for you, too, dear heart.

maybe on that Great Day you'll bake me some cupcakes, though? :)

xoxo
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Sure thing:) I love you to pieces
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
How does the amount of time on this board have anything to do with someone's spiritual maturity?
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In my mind, the two are not necessarily related at all. I'm not the one who keeps on bringing up time and age. That would be atwhatcost and Reborn. Perhaps your question would be better framed towards them? I think that it would be.

Once more, before I continue, I commend your approach here. We can certainly dialogue straightforwardly and civilly and you've done just that so far.
Biblical truth is important, don't you think? And as I asked another today, if we know we have been led to our conclusions about doctrinal beliefs, but stand opposed to one another, what do we do?
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Biblical truth is exceedingly important and both sides claim to know that they possess the same. This leads me back to my original question:

Why can't both sides simply present their respective positions and then leave it to God to give the increase?

I doubt that you can honestly say that such is what regularly transpires here. Instead, each side bashes the other side, the name calling, confining to hell and heretic labeling begins and here we are. Can't you see how terribly wrong this is? Did Jesus browbeat people into submission? Of course, He didn't and He is supposed to be our example.

Are you sure about that? Jonah had made up his mind about Nineveh despite God's desire for him to preach repentance to them. Seems to me you, who have been on the board for eight days (???) have made a dire judgment about a good portion of the membership here. I say "good portion" because, as you read through your thread and mine, you see most seem to agree with me, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't actually counted.
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Didn't you just ask me what the amount of time someone has been on this forum has to do with spiritual maturity? Why then are you mentioning my 8 day involvement here? I've been a Christian for a lot longer than 8 days and God created the whole world in but 6 days. Please drop the time issue. It's irrelevant. Besides, you seem to be dismissing what I've said in relation to the testimonies of several other forum members who have been here a lot longer than I have. Many of them are leaving and some of them have left before, before I even got here, so what does that tell you? It ought to tell you that this problem has been ongoing for quite some time and if it takes a newcomer to bring it to the forefront, then so be it. They say that you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Forget me for a moment. What do you think that people visiting the BDF for the first time think? Do you think that they're saying within themselves, Wow, what a great place of Christian fellowship and love and civil, respectful dialogue or do you think that they're looking for the nearest bunker to dive into so that their heads don't get blown off? I'm being a little exaggerative and using some military imagery because some people in this thread are apparently ex-military. What about these people? Do they matter? They matter to God and they matter to me. Does that make me the whiner that somebody just labeled me as being? Again, that's a matter of one's biases. God knows my true motives and so do I. My motives are simply to get everybody, myself included, to pause for a moment and say, What the hell have we become? In our zeal for alleged truth, we're killing one another. And all the while Satan laughs in the background.
Well, as we all know, "And the word of God came to Johah a second time" (Jonah 3:1) and he went to Nineveh. He stopped running and was obedient. He didn't say, "let them rip" -- he said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown." I'm certain that wasn't his full message. I'm sure people came up to him and said "What do we do?" Then he would speak with them and share the truth.
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My let them rip comment was in regard to anymore judgments against me. It had nothing to do with my unwillingness to answer the question of What do we do? You and I are hopefully answering the question of What do we do? right now. Again, What do WE do? This conversation pertains as much to me as it does to you or anybody else.

Like most of us here do, those of us whom you apparently think are "haughty." It's odd that we think the same thing of those who share partial truths and half-Scriptures, isn't it? But I think we can find a middle ground where both of us can learn from the other. I think we should to stop expecting the person we contend with will be converted, though I'm sure both of us can hope for truth to be preached -- and there's only one truth.
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Again, seeing how both sides believe that others are haughty, why can't the middle ground be what I've already suggested? Let both sides present their positions and then leave it up to God to give the increase. Those who aren't actively participating in a thread will have both sides before them to consider and both sides can pray to God that He gives the increase in regard to the truth. The solution is so simple and only by pride comes contention. Again, Jesus didn't browbeat anybody into subjection, so none of us should be seeking to do the same.

Well, I'm hoping that you and others agree to this more than workable solution. If you don't, then I'll just be left scratching my head I guess.

Again, thanks for both sharing and listening.
 
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Reborn said:
That's your best example of apostasy?
You believe disagreeing with some people on CC, is enough to state that?

Very logical, ISIT.
Im still waiting for you to use scripture ......just once.... in context...... these last few days.

The day isn't over, yet, you still have time.
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The signs of the times will manifest themselves in mankind, including those who profess to know Christ but truly deny Him by their words and actions. I wrote a thread or two on the falling away, even though many don't believe this can even happen. And as far as context, my threads are in the "context" of what is being shown in multiple places in scripture, but only discerned by the Holy Spirit.

We who are of the Spirit speak the words of God in a mystery, even by comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man cannot receive them, or hear what the Spirit is truly saying.

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But let me remind you Reborn, this thread is not about what you think of me. :)
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
anybody with one good eye and one functioning brain cell can tell that there's something terribly wrong which regularly takes place on this forum and it began, apparently, long before I ever arrived.
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eh, yeah, i think "it began" some thousands of years ago.
and has continued ever since.

this is still a "discussion board" though -- not a place to institute an inquisition.
man, now i feel like i really don't even want to look at that other thread.

 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen to that...ONE truth concerning everything!
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I agree, but whose job is it to reveal such truth to anybody? Man's or the Holy Spirit's? Granted, man has a part to play as far as planting and watering are concerned, but only God can give the increase. Can you honestly say that you've never sought to force the increase on this forum? This is what I'm saying here. None of us are God. Co-laborers with God, yes, but we're still only called to plant and water. Surely you believe this, don't you? Then why can't we all just implement the same? In my mind, the only reason why such cannot truly be implemented is pride.
 
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purgedconscience said:
If that's your thought exactly, then you need to realize that any objections which psychomom voiced here, unless I'm greatly misunderstanding her, were comparative in that they mirrored, in her mind, the very things which I'm decrying that happen elsewhere like in the thread that you started which prompted this very thread of my own. In other words, if I'm guilty, then you're equally as guilty. Are you ready to admit to such guilt?
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While I agree I bear a great deal of guilt (something I will discuss later in this post) what I see you doing is accusing those of us who stand for what we know to be biblical truth of being arrogant, divisive, etc. You're right. That is exactly what P/Mom is speaking against. If you have not done the very thing which you accuse those of us who stand for truth of doing, then I owe you an apology. But I see in your thread a negative reaction to doing what we are doing, i.e., "calling a spade a spade."

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That being said and asked, before I go any further, I'll commend you for the non-confrontational approach that you've taken in your response. There's simply no reason why that approach cannot continue on both of our sides. Again, kudos.
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Yours also, Purge. It is good to have a dialogue without using insults or condemnations.
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I personally have no problem with calling a spade a spade or a heresy a heresy and I believe that, when justified, the same easily falls within the parameters of Biblical love. God is love and he decried heresy all throughout the scriptures and all throughout history so the decrying of heresy is not my issue. Instead, my issue is in relation to all of the name calling, deriding, insulting, confining others to hell, etc. which I've seen more than my fair share of in my brief time here. The servant of the Lord must not strive or engage in strife, but he/she must be patient and gentle, meekly instructing those who oppose themselves that God might ultimately grant them repentance and that they might be recovered from the captivating snare of the devil. I've seen nothing and I mean nothing which even remotely resembles the same.

Instead of patience, I've seen people flying off of the handle all over the place on both sides.
Instead of gentleness, I've seen harshness, again, on both sides.
Instead of meekness, I've seen pride on both sides.
Instead of a desire to see others recovered from the snare of the devil, I've seen people rejoice when members are banned and moreso on one side than the other.

I'm not the only one by any means to see such things and they've apparently been going on for quite some time around here. Again, go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many members there are saying their good-byes to others and why.
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I agree 100%, even though I have been a foremost sinner in resorting to such tactics in the past. It is part and parcel of standing for biblical truth but at the same time displaying an arrogance that has no place in the Christian's relationship to others, even those who espouse doctrines which don't appear to be biblically supportable. The important thing, if that appearance is an accurate interpretation, is to win them to truth, not alienate them from Christ.

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People are sick of the status quo around here and many of them are simply unwilling or incapable of putting up with this garbage anymore. Is this the type of trophy that you'd like to be a part of? Running tender hearted Christians out of town? And, please, don't bother going the route of, Hey, it's not our fault...we're not the heretics, so they're to blame!" Even if you were correct by possibly giving such a response, then your actions here still need changing. Again, God's servants simply are not to engage in strife and way too many people here seem to relish in the same. It's sickeningly ungodly. In fact, it's demonic.
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Actually, that's precisely why I started my thread. If we as Christians are too immature to handle adversity and opposition to what we are convinced is biblical truth, then perhaps we need to ignore those who cause such anxiety and dissension among us until such time as we are able to respond with kindness, love, and truth.

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As far as the rest of your post is concerned, I'm sure that the alleged heretics would bring the same type of charges against you. Why can't both sides just present their cases and then leave it to God to give the increase? I'll tell you exactly why in one simple word:

Pride.
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Amen, I agree whole-heartedly. Which is why I've been asking the other side for the last hour, "What do we do?" I'm trying to build the bridge that keeps getting torn down, and being one who has suddenly been given insight into the bad behavior I and others have exhibited, I realize that I have to overcome my own because I can help anyone overcome theirs. Hence, the thread. Hence, this dialogue.

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God hasn't called you or anybody else to browbeat somebody else into submission, yet you people are at it all day long. Read Jesus' parables. The wheat and tares both grow together until the time of harvest. Who the hell then are you or anybody else to be busy seeking to uproot the same? Again, the underlying problem is pride.

If you hear nothing else that I've said here, then at least go and read the posts in the last few pages on the Speak your mind thread. Do you care anything at all for these people who are heading for the exits? If you do, then put an end to your own involvement in the ongoing situation here which is the primary cause of the same.

Thanks for sharing and listening.
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You're welcome, and again, you're right. Honestly, I hadn't looked at or contributed to the "Speak" thread for a few weeks, with perhaps one or two minor cursory exceptions. I will look at it for some edification. That said, what I opened this post with must now be retracted. You are not doing those things at all, but trying to help close an open wound. Thanks, Purge. welcome, and God bless you for your insight.
 
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dcontroversal said:
For the record I have enjoyed your posts and insight....crying shame your leaving.....
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I'm not sure what she thinks of me or my posts at the moment, but I'd hate to see her go too. She's obviously highly respected here and I called her a sweetheart, in a respectful manner, earlier today myself.

Can we please band together and work together so these types of crying shames can be averted? Again, I said we. I'm not blame shifting here. I'm as much a part of this as anybody else is.
 
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