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After sleeping on this and considering it, here is what I have to say. I do not feel bad for making this thread. There is a certain individual here who insults all of you who have sat and are sitting under a pastor in a bible believing church. He comes here and blabs his false gospel creating doubt and dissension in this place. It is impossible to have a give and take conversation with him as I have really tried.
While I have seen some things that I can do better and have stated where I have gone wrong at times...this thread was created to LITERALLY ignore a man who is sowing discord among the good people of this forum....and it might even have been a calling on the carpet of sorts...someone who is creating turmoil in this place and trampling over everyone that comes in his path. It is time to literally ignore this guy so that he will either stay and join the body of Christ like a normal person and humble himself..... leave.....or leave and have a little talk with self about his grandiose sanctimonious religiosity and what he needs to do to grow in the likeness of jesus christ and come back and be nice to people.
While I have seen some things that I can do better and have stated where I have gone wrong at times...this thread was created to LITERALLY ignore a man who is sowing discord among the good people of this forum....and it might even have been a calling on the carpet of sorts...someone who is creating turmoil in this place and trampling over everyone that comes in his path. It is time to literally ignore this guy so that he will either stay and join the body of Christ like a normal person and humble himself..... leave.....or leave and have a little talk with self about his grandiose sanctimonious religiosity and what he needs to do to grow in the likeness of jesus christ and come back and be nice to people.
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I haven't participated in this thread for reasons others have already stated. Now that I see you've had a day to rethink this, would you mind if I ask you questions?
No, I'm really asking. I also haven't figured out why this is ten pages long, so I don't know if you got your butt handed to you several times or if most agreed with you. So, if you are holding your butt in your hands right now, I'm not going to point at it to you. In truth, I agree with you a bit, disagree with you a bit, and most of it is "I don't know why" to so many things, so I don't want this to sound like an attack. I just have questions that have very little about the over all theme you've just given, and more to do with what you're seeing, what I'm seeing, and what if what we're seeing is a mirage.
So, now that you have some general idea where my questions are headed, do you mind if I ask, or would you rather this just kind of fade away by now? I respect either decision, or a third one I haven't even considered. lol
No, I'm really asking. I also haven't figured out why this is ten pages long, so I don't know if you got your butt handed to you several times or if most agreed with you. So, if you are holding your butt in your hands right now, I'm not going to point at it to you. In truth, I agree with you a bit, disagree with you a bit, and most of it is "I don't know why" to so many things, so I don't want this to sound like an attack. I just have questions that have very little about the over all theme you've just given, and more to do with what you're seeing, what I'm seeing, and what if what we're seeing is a mirage.
So, now that you have some general idea where my questions are headed, do you mind if I ask, or would you rather this just kind of fade away by now? I respect either decision, or a third one I haven't even considered. lol
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Ask away! And no...I am not sheepish about any of this...and as far as this thread and what I have said in it....it was the real me...considering and contemplating what I should say and have said with prayer. I believe that real humility is the willingness to be known for who you are...as you are and I hope that came across. If it didn't....that's okay too because I am perfectly willing to be misunderstood as well if people want to go that route.
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I am flabbergasted. I must be a real ditz because I don't understand why so many are coming down hard on Sirk for stating what is on his heart, and in a light-hearted way to boot. When I first read his op I chuckled and was about to move onto another thread... then I started reading the comments. I was like... WHUT?!? 
What's wrong with this picture? Sirk is coming against hypocrisy & religious dogma. What's wrong with that? I really couldn't follow everything on this thread because I have a few on ignore due to their being mean-spirited. But really, I'm sitting here going, "HUH????" as I haven't known Sirk to be mean-spirited or contentious and I don't understand why he's being chastised and Jason is being defended.
What's wrong with this picture? Sirk is coming against hypocrisy & religious dogma. What's wrong with that? I really couldn't follow everything on this thread because I have a few on ignore due to their being mean-spirited. But really, I'm sitting here going, "HUH????" as I haven't known Sirk to be mean-spirited or contentious and I don't understand why he's being chastised and Jason is being defended.
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Okay, so I picked this post, because this is where my questions lay.
You say he is sowing discord. Is he? What I see is those who believe as he does pat him on the back so much I'm surprised hands or his back aren't bleeding. Then you have those of us who keep/kept trying to get him to see where he's just plain wrong. And then you have those who are busy thinking/saying, "Ummm, huh?" in different ways.
Now I picture this sort of like a hair braid with three strands. It keeps weaving the same way each time. But I picture discord as braiding but simply ignoring one of the strands, so the end product is... well, messy -- getting no where fast and kind of falling apart.
I don't see any discord, because no one (absolutely no one) is changing their positions, no one is buying the bull, and no one can even understand fully what he and the back patters are saying to get terribly mixed up along the way. So how can there be discord when no one understands enough of the spiritual-babble to buy it?
(And that's exactly why I really meant it when I said you see it one way, I see it another, and maybe we're both seeing a mirage. We aren't seeing it the same way, so there really is a good chance neither one of us is seeing the reality. Mirages really do look like water on dry land. It's not an hallucination, but it could be our eyes playing tricks, or it really could be a puddle.)
Second, you once said that one of your kids was having a major meltdown in a store as a toddler, so you did the same thing (plopping on the floor -- I don't recall you saying you did the scream and shout part), which got his attention so you could correct.
If I'm not mistaken, (and I could be again), isn't he a teenager now? If he has an "in your face, gotta have it my way" explosion in a store now, would you do the same thing? And, if you did, do you think it would be as effective as the first time you did that?
The reason I ask is because the guy we're not mentioning by name is your age, but this seems like you're treating him as a kid. I get why. (I really really do.) BUT I don't think treating him that way will get him to do anything thinking at all, so what's the purpose?
And, just so you know, yeah. I've told him I'm ignoring him from now on, so it's not the decision to ignore him. (He's not listening, so why keep talking? Right?) It's all a matter of perspective. The way I see it is he caused no discord since he and the back-patters are unto themselves, and he's not listening, so why go through all this?
I'm not worried about him right now. I'm worried about you. What was the purpose of this for you?
You say he is sowing discord. Is he? What I see is those who believe as he does pat him on the back so much I'm surprised hands or his back aren't bleeding. Then you have those of us who keep/kept trying to get him to see where he's just plain wrong. And then you have those who are busy thinking/saying, "Ummm, huh?" in different ways.
Now I picture this sort of like a hair braid with three strands. It keeps weaving the same way each time. But I picture discord as braiding but simply ignoring one of the strands, so the end product is... well, messy -- getting no where fast and kind of falling apart.
I don't see any discord, because no one (absolutely no one) is changing their positions, no one is buying the bull, and no one can even understand fully what he and the back patters are saying to get terribly mixed up along the way. So how can there be discord when no one understands enough of the spiritual-babble to buy it?
(And that's exactly why I really meant it when I said you see it one way, I see it another, and maybe we're both seeing a mirage. We aren't seeing it the same way, so there really is a good chance neither one of us is seeing the reality. Mirages really do look like water on dry land. It's not an hallucination, but it could be our eyes playing tricks, or it really could be a puddle.)
Second, you once said that one of your kids was having a major meltdown in a store as a toddler, so you did the same thing (plopping on the floor -- I don't recall you saying you did the scream and shout part), which got his attention so you could correct.
If I'm not mistaken, (and I could be again), isn't he a teenager now? If he has an "in your face, gotta have it my way" explosion in a store now, would you do the same thing? And, if you did, do you think it would be as effective as the first time you did that?
The reason I ask is because the guy we're not mentioning by name is your age, but this seems like you're treating him as a kid. I get why. (I really really do.) BUT I don't think treating him that way will get him to do anything thinking at all, so what's the purpose?
And, just so you know, yeah. I've told him I'm ignoring him from now on, so it's not the decision to ignore him. (He's not listening, so why keep talking? Right?) It's all a matter of perspective. The way I see it is he caused no discord since he and the back-patters are unto themselves, and he's not listening, so why go through all this?
I'm not worried about him right now. I'm worried about you. What was the purpose of this for you?
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Amen, Brother Sirk. And here's the clincher... God knows we're all gonna make mistakes because we're in the learning process. ALL things work together for good to them who love the Lord and are called for His purpose. The Holy Spirit is teaching us thru trials and we're growing day by day. ALL OF US. Nobody on this site has arrived. We're all still going like the energizer bunny.
Yes, I agree with you that it's good to slow down and wait on God. But if you never posted this, we'd never have learned from this. Isn't it funny how situations like this bring about truth? And like David in the OT whenever he faced adversity, you find out who your friends are.
It's better to move forward and learn from this than to keep our mouths shut while harboring secret anger and letting it grow into a root of bitterness. Ya know? Grace to you in Jesus, brother.
Nobody on this site has arrived. We're all still going like the energizer bunny. Yes, I agree with you that it's good to slow down and wait on God. But if you never posted this, we'd never have learned from this. Isn't it funny how situations like this bring about truth? And like David in the OT whenever he faced adversity, you find out who your friends are.
It's better to move forward and learn from this than to keep our mouths shut while harboring secret anger and letting it grow into a root of bitterness. Ya know? Grace to you in Jesus, brother.
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In the end...I created this thread out of exasperation and I used humor to assuage the aforementioned exasperation. And furthermore...since I am the one who got to the point of exasperation, I question who is the one treating others as if they're children....in the opposite of the standard that the bible sets for treating children no less. I set a boundary and it is...be nice to me..don't talk down to me. Simple as that.
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The person that you're talking about is Jason? I'm just asking to make sure that I'm following along correctly. Has he really insulted those who are parts of Bible believing churches or am I misreading and misunderstanding what you're saying? I'd like to see an example or two if this is truly so simply for my own understanding of what he believes. Thanks.
Either way, although I've been one of your biggest supporters throughout this ordeal because I felt that you were being overly judged, I just want to say that I'm sorry that this is how it turned out or that this is your final conclusion. There are better ways to deal with things than the route taken here. I honestly thought that it was just in jest, but there seems to be an admittance on your part now to something deeper than that. I'm not sitting upon a lofty perch as I type this either. In other words, I've done similar things in the past myself, but I just want to say that I hope you choose a better route in the future. Again, I'm not judging you, especially in that I've done similar things myself. I'm just saying that I'm saddened by this determination on your part.
I'll see you around the forum and I personally hold no animosity towards you.
Either way, although I've been one of your biggest supporters throughout this ordeal because I felt that you were being overly judged, I just want to say that I'm sorry that this is how it turned out or that this is your final conclusion. There are better ways to deal with things than the route taken here. I honestly thought that it was just in jest, but there seems to be an admittance on your part now to something deeper than that. I'm not sitting upon a lofty perch as I type this either. In other words, I've done similar things in the past myself, but I just want to say that I hope you choose a better route in the future. Again, I'm not judging you, especially in that I've done similar things myself. I'm just saying that I'm saddened by this determination on your part.
I'll see you around the forum and I personally hold no animosity towards you.
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My opinion is that this is a bit of a simplistic conclusion but I do appreciate you coming to my defense. As far as Jason insulting people...all one has to do is see the implication in nearly all of his posts that if you don't believe as he does you are an enemy of Jesus. And he is not the only one to imply that around here. I don't expect to agree with everyone nor do I think it is productive to...but there is a huge chasm between conversing and concluding and circling the airplane into perpetuity. Some people don't know how to land the plane or put a period on the end of a sentence. And a story with no punctuation is a jumbled up mess of words that is impossible to read and therefore has no real meaning in the end..... If you get my drift.
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No doubt he is in full toddler meltdown. The reason I've given up talking to him. (Not the same as giving up praying for him.) And, yupper. Been there done that. I totally get where it can causes us to snap. (Of course, you've never ever EVER -- dangit!!! -- seen me snap, right? ) Just checking if there was more to it.
And really checking if you think it does cause discord? If you can show me where you think there is discord, I'll be more pushing the Report button to remove the discorders. (Is to a word. I just created it. Stupid spellchecker! Doesn't believe me. lol)
) Just checking if there was more to it.And really checking if you think it does cause discord? If you can show me where you think there is discord, I'll be more pushing the Report button to remove the discorders. (Is to a word. I just created it. Stupid spellchecker! Doesn't believe me. lol)
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No doubt he is in full toddler meltdown. The reason I've given up talking to him. (Not the same as giving up praying for him.) And, yupper. Been there done that. I totally get where it can causes us to snap. (Of course, you've never ever EVER -- dangit!!! -- seen me snap, right? ) Just checking if there was more to it.
And really checking if you think it does cause discord? If you can show me where you think there is discord, I'll be more pushing the Report button to remove the discorders. (Is to a word. I just created it. Stupid spellchecker! Doesn't believe me. lol)
) Just checking if there was more to it.And really checking if you think it does cause discord? If you can show me where you think there is discord, I'll be more pushing the Report button to remove the discorders. (Is to a word. I just created it. Stupid spellchecker! Doesn't believe me. lol)
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I'd have to really read more of his posts and draw my own conclusion and I'd consider dialoguing with him directly myself, but at the moment I'm thinking more about how you just said that he's not the only one to imply that around here. I think that I can guess who else you have in mind, but my question for you is this:
Don't you and others do the same towards others as well?
What I'd personally like to see, in myself as well as in others, is for some people to step forward and actually behave like Jesus behaved and instructed us to behave and that would make it a whole lot easier to see whose Jesus is the real Jesus. Quite frankly, I've seen hatred, and rabid hatred at that, displayed daily on both sides and whoever hates his brother is a murderer and has no eternal life abiding in him or her. Ironically, both those who insist that OSAS is correct and those who insist that OSAS is incorrect regularly manifest behaviors which causes one to wonder if the people on either side of the argument are even saved to begin with. The bitterness and hatred has become so status quo around here that I fear that people have hardened their hearts to the deceitfulness of sin as we've all been warned not to do in the letter to the Hebrews and now exceedingly wicked and sinful behavior is regularly justified on both sides and even encouraged by some.
I don't know what it's going to take for some people around here to wake up. The fruits of the Spirit are severely lacking around here and the type of wisdom which the Bible calls earthly, sensual and demonic abounds.
I don't know what else to say.
Don't you and others do the same towards others as well?
What I'd personally like to see, in myself as well as in others, is for some people to step forward and actually behave like Jesus behaved and instructed us to behave and that would make it a whole lot easier to see whose Jesus is the real Jesus. Quite frankly, I've seen hatred, and rabid hatred at that, displayed daily on both sides and whoever hates his brother is a murderer and has no eternal life abiding in him or her. Ironically, both those who insist that OSAS is correct and those who insist that OSAS is incorrect regularly manifest behaviors which causes one to wonder if the people on either side of the argument are even saved to begin with. The bitterness and hatred has become so status quo around here that I fear that people have hardened their hearts to the deceitfulness of sin as we've all been warned not to do in the letter to the Hebrews and now exceedingly wicked and sinful behavior is regularly justified on both sides and even encouraged by some.
I don't know what it's going to take for some people around here to wake up. The fruits of the Spirit are severely lacking around here and the type of wisdom which the Bible calls earthly, sensual and demonic abounds.
I don't know what else to say.
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Forgive me, but I honestly feel that the Lord would have me to add something to that which I just said and I'll begin with a verse of scripture that somebody else mentioned on another thread the other day:
Proverbs chapter 27 verse 6
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Be careful of the kisses of those who only agree with you because they harbor hatred towards others in their own hearts. I honestly believe that some of those who are happy with your decision are only happy because they despise Jason themselves. May the Lord Himself either confirm or refute what I've suggested to you.
Proverbs chapter 27 verse 6
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Be careful of the kisses of those who only agree with you because they harbor hatred towards others in their own hearts. I honestly believe that some of those who are happy with your decision are only happy because they despise Jason themselves. May the Lord Himself either confirm or refute what I've suggested to you.
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