The King James Bible
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It is saddening that some people refuse to grasp the fact that other languages cannot be represented in a word for word translation into other languages. The KJV isn't a word for word translation. Since they know this they then must work a little magic to spin the KJV as "the pure word of God."
If every single word had to be "preserved" then those words would only be those in the original language, therefore the only "true, pure word of God" would exist only in the original language in which it was spoken.
But some people are ensnared with KJVO nonsense, and turn the KJV into a magical book that corrects Hebrew and Greek, and a myriad of nonsensical myths are taught and believed about this version.
It is also of note that when you tell a KJVO'er they rarely speak of Christ, but incessantly about their version, the retort comes like this: "Jesus IS the Word of God, and the KJV represents him because IT is the Word of God. The KJV is the pure Word of God...the KJV this, the KJV that and blah blah blah blah blah" to ad absurdium.
Yep. It goes immediately from a token mention of Christ when they are called on this, and then immediately back to speaking about the KJV.
If every single word had to be "preserved" then those words would only be those in the original language, therefore the only "true, pure word of God" would exist only in the original language in which it was spoken.
But some people are ensnared with KJVO nonsense, and turn the KJV into a magical book that corrects Hebrew and Greek, and a myriad of nonsensical myths are taught and believed about this version.
It is also of note that when you tell a KJVO'er they rarely speak of Christ, but incessantly about their version, the retort comes like this: "Jesus IS the Word of God, and the KJV represents him because IT is the Word of God. The KJV is the pure Word of God...the KJV this, the KJV that and blah blah blah blah blah" to ad absurdium.
Yep. It goes immediately from a token mention of Christ when they are called on this, and then immediately back to speaking about the KJV.
Here's is PR's quote...
To blazes with “THE GREEK TEXT.” It is so inferior to the English text they are not worthy of standing on the same shelf. I put Nestle, Hort, Aland, Metzger, Alford, Souter, Erasmus, Stephanus, Elzevir, and the rest on a shelf below my original edition of the Authorized Version from 1613. (Ruckman, Peter. The Christian’s Handbook of Biblical Scholarship. Pensacola, Bible Baptist Bookstore, 1988, p. 338)
There is the name of the source from which he wrote it right there for you to go to and read it for yourself.
To blazes with “THE GREEK TEXT.” It is so inferior to the English text they are not worthy of standing on the same shelf. I put Nestle, Hort, Aland, Metzger, Alford, Souter, Erasmus, Stephanus, Elzevir, and the rest on a shelf below my original edition of the Authorized Version from 1613. (Ruckman, Peter. The Christian’s Handbook of Biblical Scholarship. Pensacola, Bible Baptist Bookstore, 1988, p. 338)
There is the name of the source from which he wrote it right there for you to go to and read it for yourself.
to be fair ((at least here in the forum)) you don't really hear about how KJV-only most KJV-onlyists are except in threads where "which Bible version?" is being discussed or threads specifically about KJV-onlyism. so you kind of don't get a representative sample of what they talk about, just what they talk about in a particular context.
. . . and "KJV" threads themselves are simply in general very rarely about Christ at all. =|
. . . and "KJV" threads themselves are simply in general very rarely about Christ at all. =|
i got kind of a weird question, maybe..
Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
(John 6:7 KJV)
$2 worth of bread is certainly not going to feed 5,000 people!
adjusting for inflation and currency conversion, my back-of-the-envelope estimate is that we're talking about $1500 more or less in 2018 USD.
when i read this in John 6 right now, tonight, this year, should i be thinking that Phillip is talking about $2 worth of bread or should i be thinking that Phillip is talking about closer to $2,000 worth of bread?
do i take the KJV to be word-for-word 100% perfect for as long as there is a language called "English" or do i allow that language - individual words - were not just changed at Babel but continue to change over time? are "two hundred" and "pennyworth" still the perfect words to be written in John 6:7 today? will they be 100 years from now? should it just say whatever the actual Greek monetary term is, in Greek, and let the reader or a marginal note ((lol not a footnote!!)) be directed to do the currency and time period conversion for themselves?
do i imagine Phillip commenting about not enough money to buy a large box of french fries from mcdonald's[SUP]®[/SUP] or the budget of a buffet for hundreds? duh! so shouldn't a "perfect" translation reflect that?
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"Obtuse", I don't want that word to say the same of you. I am speaking of your originals that both conservative and critical scholars know of is no longer with us. Well, this is off the topic, I only did challenge your post about originals being corrected by the KJV is irrelevant. KJV being corrected the greek text is another story.
That's all folk...
That's all folk...
thank you for posting that! i had never heard it. does my very untrained ear detect some Celtic influence?
you know, it was my grasp of Chaucer at 13 that wasn't pretty, though re-reading some as an adult, i enjoyed very much.
but i must say, Chaucer's English was a lot easier to read and understand than some selections from Beowulf we were given. i wonder what the language will look like in the future, should the Lord tarry? probably all text message shorthand.
you know, it was my grasp of Chaucer at 13 that wasn't pretty, though re-reading some as an adult, i enjoyed very much.
but i must say, Chaucer's English was a lot easier to read and understand than some selections from Beowulf we were given. i wonder what the language will look like in the future, should the Lord tarry? probably all text message shorthand.
thank you for posting that! i had never heard it. does my very untrained ear detect some Celtic influence?
you know, it was my grasp of Chaucer at 13 that wasn't pretty, though re-reading some as an adult, i enjoyed very much.
but i must say, Chaucer's English was a lot easier to read and understand than some selections from Beowulf we were given. i wonder what the language will look like in the future, should the Lord tarry? probably all text message shorthand.
you know, it was my grasp of Chaucer at 13 that wasn't pretty, though re-reading some as an adult, i enjoyed very much.
but i must say, Chaucer's English was a lot easier to read and understand than some selections from Beowulf we were given. i wonder what the language will look like in the future, should the Lord tarry? probably all text message shorthand.
When the Lord returns I'm hoping to learn Hebrew! But he is the master of language so I think what he did at Babel he can restore to us in an instant. We have so much to look forward to!
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The evidence that the Holy Bible is God's holy book is seen in that it corrects all errors found in other bibles.
My approach is simply to point out the truth found in the Holy Bible and the errors it corrects.
It was interesting reading this thread because it revealed what and how many that post on this board believe and think.
My approach is simply to point out the truth found in the Holy Bible and the errors it corrects.
It was interesting reading this thread because it revealed what and how many that post on this board believe and think.