The King James Only Debate

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Never say never. We should be open to new information, not closed in our opinions.
That was an attempt to show Agricola how rude he was being. No contibution to the debate, no opposing argument just attacking and name calling. Agricola sounded just like a Hillary supporter lol.
 

Yonah

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seems to me the Fathers ability to reach ones heart (john 6:44) is not reliant upon the version of bible one reads but rather a willing and submissive Spirit to seek after and live in the truth, why concern ourselves with who reads what version or why, the Almighty is able and does reach those who never even heard of a bible KJV or any other...
 

p_rehbein

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WHAT A NOVEL IDEA!

A debate about King James Only.............wow, where do you guys come up with these inspiring ideas?
 

John146

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seems to me the Fathers ability to reach ones heart (john 6:44) is not reliant upon the version of bible one reads but rather a willing and submissive Spirit to seek after and live in the truth, why concern ourselves with who reads what version or why, the Almighty is able and does reach those who never even heard of a bible KJV or any other...
Yes, with the gospel. But what about the whole counsel of God?
 

trofimus

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Yes, with the gospel. But what about the whole counsel of God?
How do you get the whole counsel of God, when you have so many errors in your Old Testament? :)

Its apparent that "the whole counsel of God" does not mean "every word is the same as in originals", but the message is the same.
 

Yonah

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Yes, with the gospel. But what about the whole counsel of God?
I will answer with a question: before you grow to the point where you can eat solid foods and such did it start with a 3 course meal?
 
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I will answer with a question: before you grow to the point where you can eat solid foods and such did it start with a 3 course meal?
Here's the process.

1) Get saved (repent).
2) Get baptized. (immersed in the word).
3) Give birth to the spirit man (born agan).
4) Feed the spiritual baby milk.... any part of the bible that does not require chewing and is easily digestible.
5) Afer the baby is weaned, start feeding the spirit man meat... things in the bible that require chewing and digestion.
 

Dino246

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Here's the process.

1) Get saved (repent).
2) Get baptized. (immersed in the word).
3) Give birth to the spirit man (born agan).
4) Feed the spiritual baby milk.... any part of the bible that does not require chewing and is easily digestible.
5) Afer the baby is weaned, start feeding the spirit man meat... things in the bible that require chewing and digestion.
While I agree that new believers need to be immersed in the Word, what happened to being immersed in water? :)
 
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While I agree that new believers need to be immersed in the Word, what happened to being immersed in water? :)
Water is symbolic of the word of God. Literal water baptism only washes away the filth of the flesh but baptism (immersion) in the word (water) creates our spiritual man. The word of God is the literal spiritual DNA that builds the spirit man. In othe words, the words we read in scripture literally form our inner man.
 
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Its a cult that completely rejects the father and the holy spirit
never heard of them.

whats the deal with ur pic, are you running for city council?
 

The_Bible

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Psalm (12:6-7) - The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God specifically says he will preserve his word so i ask where is it? All these bible versions are out but they obviously do not say the sa,e things making only ONE infallible. The KJV took 7 years to complete & was the 7th English Bible to be published maybe that had something to do with the "purified seven times". The OT is made from Masoretic Texts from the Masoretes that spoke hebrew & aramaic. The NT is made from the Textus Receptus of the Koine Greek from the very first church of antioch where the term "Christians" was made to the disciples. There are close to 6,000 Greek manuscripts to support the Textus Receptus & well the Masoretic Texts are from the original hebrew languages. These are the texts that thr KJV is made from.

ALL other Bibles try to use the Septuagint, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus texts but are corrupted heresies mostly promoted by Catholics bc it benefits them with their Apocrypha agenda. The Septuagint main evidence will always be the supposed "Letter of Aristeas" where a librarian asks Jews from Israel to come to Alexandria and translate their OT in Greek but the letter is proven a hoax bc the dates dont add up. I would give some information but this paragraph is looking kind of long. The Sinaiticus of the NT is also proven a hoax bc first off, they NEVER dated the manuscript to see how old they were. They were GOING to but canceled, i wonder why? There are two versions of the description of sinaiticus, one being white which means it looks recent and new while the other is tainted and brown too make it seem old. To this day you can see a version of the Sinaiticus in a library that is clearly WHITE.

King James Bible has been the chosen bible of authorization for a long time that it has attracted masons to corrupt the version and wicked companies ESPECIALLY Wescott & Hort who are mainly in charge if the distributions of other verisons. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE KING JAMES VERSION IS THE ONLY WORD OF GOD.

GOD'S words will never pass away, Heaven and earth shall pass away: but MY words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)
 

Demi777

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never heard of them.

whats the deal with ur pic, are you running for city council?
HAHAHAHA nope I went to a demonstration against a new law that is breaking through here in germany where kids starting (officially) at 1st grade to be taught how to masturbate and do male and femaile, touching and doing one another.. many horrid things.
 

p_rehbein

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HAHAHAHA nope I went to a demonstration against a new law that is breaking through here in germany where kids starting (officially) at 1st grade to be taught how to masturbate and do male and femaile, touching and doing one another.. many horrid things.

Ewe.............

Just EWE!

Not the Germany I knew and loved at one time...........sigh.........
 

Demi777

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Ewe.............

Just EWE!

Not the Germany I knew and loved at one time...........sigh.........
I can tell you that I only said a bit of it. I was told cases where kids had to google graphic picures and describe them as their homework and stuff.. I can tell you I am happy when I can get outta here lol
 

trofimus

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Here's the process.

1) Get saved (repent).
2) Get baptized. (immersed in the word).
3) Give birth to the spirit man (born agan).
4) Feed the spiritual baby milk.... any part of the bible that does not require chewing and is easily digestible.
5) Afer the baby is weaned, start feeding the spirit man meat... things in the bible that require chewing and digestion.
How can you be saved/repent without being born again?
 

Agricola

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HAHAHAHA nope I went to a demonstration against a new law that is breaking through here in germany where kids starting (officially) at 1st grade to be taught how to masturbate and do male and femaile, touching and doing one another.. many horrid things.
Brave New World. - Huxley.
 

Dan_473

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Hello all

As a supporter of the King James Version (Authorized Version) I wanted to put into perspective the primary issues in this debate. For those who suggest the argument is a superficial one, based on the style it is written in compared to the style used in the NIV, New American Standard edition, or other - you have it totally wrong.

Don't get me wrong, the old English is beautiful, but this debate is centered on the family of manuscripts which has come down through the apostolic churches as the foundation for its scholarship - Versions such as the NIV and others are based on manuscripts of unknown authorship and origin that cannot be linked to any churches. The primary manuscripts that form their so called "Critical Text" are known as Sinanticus and Vacticanus. Now modern scholars like Bart Erhman, James White & Daniel Wallace reject church texts in favor of these manuscripts which calls into questions scripture passages which they state were not part of the original writings of the apostles such as the last 12 verses of Mark, The women in Adultery in Johns Gospel as well as others.

The awesome short videos provide witness testimony from the second century on the received texts of the apostolic churches against the gnostics who claim to be in possession of the true manuscripts. Let the debate begin.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjsB-lvDBWXDB-DYVLt-Zg
Hi calvinsx76

what are the 'apostolic churches'?
 

Agricola

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Do you realise that Tyndale did not issue an Old Testament, so the King James Old testament has only been refined 6 times. The Psalm 12:6-7 is also taken out of context, something that cults love to do, cherry pick a single verse and re-mould it into what they believe. Refined 7 times is simply stating how perfect and pure everything God says or does , it is not some abstract obscure prophecy for the King James bible.