The Kingdom of God vs The Kingdom of Heaven

[John146]

That could well be the case. Both were writing by Divine inspiration, yet were directed to choose different words for the same entity. After the Parable of the Sower, here is what we find:

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. (Mt 13:10,11)

And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. (Lk 8:9,10).

To the OP: So there is no need to create an artificial distinction where none exists. That does no one any good.

Matthew uses Kingdom of Heaven because it's referring to the literal, physical kingdom promised to the Jews where the Messiah sits on throne of David and rules the earth. Matthew is Jewish in nature, therefore Christ's lineage starts with Abraham.

Luke uses the term Kingdom of God because the audience is more Gentile in nature referring to the spiritual kingdom where the believer dwells. Luke is to all man, Gentile and Jew, therefore Christ's lineage begins with Adam the first man.

 

[OneFaith]

The kingdom of God is heaven on earth, the future inhabitants of heaven: Christ’s Church. The kingdom of heaven is speaking future-tense- when all is said and done- when there is no more physicality.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The kingdom of God is heaven on earth, the future inhabitants of heaven: Christ’s Church. The kingdom of heaven is speaking future-tense- when all is said and done- when there is no more physicality.

There is no such thing as "no more physicality" in God's universe. Sounds pretty Gnostic and is certainly not biblical.

 

[Bladerunner]

The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are two different kingdoms in scripture. Simply, the word "God" does not mean "Heaven". Making the two the same will cause problems and contradictions in the Bible.

In Matthew 5, the Kingdom of Heaven is spoken about and it says that if one sinned against God that he would go to hell. While Paul taught that the Kingdom of God is where the Christian lived(Romans 14:17). If the two are same then there is a contradiction that the Christian's salvation includes works.

Matthew 25:14-30 talks about the Kingdom of Heaven where an unfaithful servant goes to hell. Luke 19:12-27 talks about the Kingdom of God where the unfaithful servant loses his rewards and this matches up with the Christian at the Judgment Seat of Christ(2 Cor. 5:10). There is obviously a difference between the two kingdoms.

The Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom. In Matthew 6:25-33, it talks about not worrying about physical things, but rather spiritual things, which is the Kingdom of God and his righteousness.

Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

The Kingdom of God is not a physical place to live in, but rather is within the believer when he is Born Again.

The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom that will take place on earth and consists of violence. Remember that the earth is in the heaven(Genesis 1:14-16).

Matthew 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

The first place where the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned is where John the Baptist was preaching about the the fulfillment of Isaiah 40. John was preaching about the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. Other Old Testament prophecies also reveal that the Kingdom of Heaven was physical. Read Genesis 49:10; Isaiah 2:1-5, 49:5-13; Psalms 2; Jeremiah 23:5 and Luke 1:30-33.

Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Jesus tells the Jews that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand in Matthew 4:17. This proves that it is physical because it shows a kingdom coming on earth and is not referring to someone dying. The book of Matthew mentions the Kingdom of Heaven several times speaking of an earthly rule of Israel that is talked about in Old Testament prophecies(Matthew 5:1-6, 13, Matthew 19:10-30).

BINGO......Thank you........As you say, the Kingdom of Heaven would have been the Kingdom that Jesus Preached to the Jewish people. At that time, I speculate that He (without His powers as a God) did not know that the His Kingdom (Millennium) would not come for another 2000+ years. The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical place that will happen following the Daniel's 70th week. It will be here on earth and will be ruled by Himself and the Jewish People....

On the other hand, The Kingdom of God is a spiritual place that Has was, is and will be...... In other words, If you are truly saved through Grace and you have the Holy Spirit within you, You are of and in the Kingdom of God........

Now,I know there are those out there that will dispute this. If they read scriptures John146 put forth...There are many more for each case...which can be listed if your are interested.

Keep in mind that Jesus told us that the "LAW and the Prophets ended with John (the Baptist) but when did the Old Testament End? At the death of Jesus (Testator). Therefore, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Peter were under the Old Testament Rules. The LAW!,...A testament can only be closed at the death of a Testator, Jesus in this case.

While most of that is written is for the Jewish people, they are also prophecies that are meant for us Gentiles.

Thank you again John146, for you are following the WORD of GOD very carefully.\

Blessings to all


Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

There is no such thing as "no more physicality" in God's universe. Sounds pretty Gnostic and is certainly not biblical.

All you got to do is simply read the scriptures already presented....I don't really care if you believe them but do not call the verses in the KJV (The WORDs of GOD) Gnostic.

Jesus preached this to the Jews and so did Peter and the others. In fact Peter was told not to preach it to Gentiles until after Acts 7 where Steven was Killed.

He taught the Kingdom of Heaven to the Jews......and Paul taught the Kingdom of GOD to the Gentiles and Jews.

Blade

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are two different kingdoms in scripture. Simply, the word "God" does not mean "Heaven". Making the two the same will cause problems and contradictions in the Bible.

There is no such thing as "two different kingdoms". Claiming that God does not mean Heaven, therefore the Kingdom of God does not mean the Kingdom of Heaven is a specious argument. "Heaven is my throne" says the Lord. What exactly does that mean in this context? Heaven -- the third Heaven -- is where the throne of God is located and from where God reigns as Sovereign. Therefore the Kingdom of God is no different than the Kingdom of Heaven. All that is heavenly reflects God.

When Jesus included "thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" He was speaking about this Kingdom of God being the same on earth as in Heaven. Now in Heaven, there is absolute holiness, righteousness, perfection, and peace. All the holy angels remain holy. And all the saints are perfected and remain holy. There is no sin or wickedness in Heaven, since Heaven is God's dwelling place.

However, the earth is sin-cursed and "the whole world lieth in wickedness". So only those who have been saved by grace have the Kingdom of God within themselves (and are in the Kingdom of God through the New Birth) until the second coming of Christ. Thus at the first coming of Christ in humiliation, the Lord said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world". He did not come to establish His Kingdom at that time knowing (a) that He would be rejected by Israel and (b) His sufferings and death on the Cross were a Divine necessity. But that does not mean that at His second coming "with power and great glory" He will not establish the Kingdom of God on earth. That was the ultimate goal as expressed in the Lord's prayer.

Now the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven/God are speaking about the outward manifestation of this Kingdom, and it is clear that Christendom -- the outward manifestation of the Kingdom of God -- is far from perfect. Indeed, those parable show us that until the second coming of Christ the churches will have a mixture of wheat and tares, sheep and goats, good fish and bad fish, saved and unsaved. Outwardly they will all be labeled "Christians" but inwardly they may or may not be children of God. Thus "the Lord knoweth them that are His".

All this talk about spiritual and physical is un-biblical. At present the whole creation is under a curse which originated with Adam's disobedience. But God will not only cleanse this earth from sin and evil, but He will create a New Heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. Only then will the Kingdom of God be established universally and for eternity, but everything will not be simply "spiritual". God's Kingdom on earth during the Millennium (and beyond) will be real, physical, tangible, visible, and perfect. There are dozens of passages in Scripture which clearly present this truth.

 

[Bladerunner]

They are the same.

It always amazes me that someone can read the scriptures in the Bible (God's WORD) and IF, I say IF it does not agree with them, they find a way to do away with it......


This is the case...Have you even read the scriptures....Do you even know how to rightly divide the Word of GOD.....The teaching of the Jewish people and the teaching of the Gentiles........?????????????

 

[Bladerunner]

There is no such thing as "two different kingdoms". Claiming that God does not mean Heaven, therefore the Kingdom of God does not mean the Kingdom of Heaven is a specious argument. "Heaven is my throne" says the Lord. What exactly does that mean in this context? Heaven -- the third Heaven -- is where the throne of God is located and from where God reigns as Sovereign. Therefore the Kingdom of God is no different than the Kingdom of Heaven. All that is heavenly reflects God.

When Jesus included "thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" He was speaking about this Kingdom of God being the same on earth as in Heaven. Now in Heaven, there is absolute holiness, righteousness, perfection, and peace. All the holy angels remain holy. And all the saints are perfected and remain holy. There is no sin or wickedness in Heaven, since Heaven is God's dwelling place.

However, the earth is sin-cursed and "the whole world lieth in wickedness". So only those who have been saved by grace have the Kingdom of God within themselves (and are in the Kingdom of God through the New Birth) until the second coming of Christ. Thus at the first coming of Christ in humiliation, the Lord said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world". He did not come to establish His Kingdom at that time knowing (a) that He would be rejected by Israel and (b) His sufferings and death on the Cross were a Divine necessity. But that does not mean that at His second coming "with power and great glory" He will not establish the Kingdom of God on earth. That was the ultimate goal as expressed in the Lord's prayer.

Now the parables of the Kingdom of Heaven/God are speaking about the outward manifestation of this Kingdom, and it is clear that Christendom -- the outward manifestation of the Kingdom of God -- is far from perfect. Indeed, those parable show us that until the second coming of Christ the churches will have a mixture of wheat and tares, sheep and goats, good fish and bad fish, saved and unsaved. Outwardly they will all be labeled "Christians" but inwardly they may or may not be children of God. Thus "the Lord knoweth them that are His".

All this talk about spiritual and physical is un-biblical. At present the whole creation is under a curse which originated with Adam's disobedience. But God will not only cleanse this earth from sin and evil, but He will create a New Heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. Only then will the Kingdom of God be established universally and for eternity, but everything will not be simply "spiritual". God's Kingdom on earth during the Millennium (and beyond) will be real, physical, tangible, visible, and perfect. There are dozens of passages in Scripture which clearly present this truth.

Just read the passages....You are simply repeating what someelse has already said.... Did you ask for the other verses that go along with those that John 146 posted. NO......You don't want to know..........

I hope that the Blessings of God show you the way....

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I started this mess and am now sorry that I did.....It is causing much confusion and heartache among so many that I thought knew what the Bible had to say? It is the truth whether one wants to hear it or not. not because I believe it,,,but because it is on the Authority of GOD and His WORDs.......

When you place John the Baptist, Jesus, Matthew, Luke&Peter, Mark and John all preaching to the Jewish People (Israel) about the Kingdom of Heaven, then one has to believe it or not..... One cannot put the teaching of these to the Gentiles and the Kingdom of GOD....It simply does not fit....

If you will look up the "Kingdom of GOD" or "Kingdom of Heaven" in any mediocre Bible app you can get the verses that pertain to each one of the Kingdoms.

However, The best solution is to read the Bible itself.....It is a good read and not hard to comprehend. Rem, those in the past did not have computers and commentaries to help them....All they had was the people around them and their own human brains.

The "Kingdom of God" is in the Bible 69 times in 68 verses.

The Kingdom of Heaven is in the Bible 32 times in 31 verses..

Each one of those tell the same story I have given you.

*********************

I ask each of you who do not believe it is true to be a good Berean and follow Acts 17:11

If for nothing else then do it for: John 3:3-6...."Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

You really need to know if you are saved or not and take appropriate steps...


Blade

 

[Noose]

I see most of you still struggling; This is the full description of the Kingdom of God aka the Kingdom of Heaven:

Rev 21

9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls.16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[SUP]c[/SUP] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[SUP]d[/SUP] thick.[SUP]e[/SUP] 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[SUP]f[/SUP] 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[Bladerunner]

I see most of you still struggling; This is the full description of the Kingdom of God aka the Kingdom of Heaven:

Rev 21

9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls.16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[SUP]c[/SUP] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[SUP]d[/SUP] thick.[SUP]e[/SUP] 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[SUP]f[/SUP] 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

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[Noose]

I started this mess and am now sorry that I did.....It is causing much confusion and heartache among so many that I thought knew what the Bible had to say? It is the truth whether one wants to hear it or not. not because I believe it,,,but because it is on the Authority of GOD and His WORDs.......

When you place John the Baptist, Jesus, Matthew, Luke&Peter, Mark and John all preaching to the Jewish People (Israel) about the Kingdom of Heaven, then one has to believe it or not..... One cannot put the teaching of these to the Gentiles and the Kingdom of GOD....It simply does not fit....

If you will look up the "Kingdom of GOD" or "Kingdom of Heaven" in any mediocre Bible app you can get the verses that pertain to each one of the Kingdoms.

However, The best solution is to read the Bible itself.....It is a good read and not hard to comprehend. Rem, those in the past did not have computers and commentaries to help them....All they had was the people around them and their own human brains.

The "Kingdom of God" is in the Bible 69 times in 68 verses.

The Kingdom of Heaven is in the Bible 32 times in 31 verses..

Each one of those tell the same story I have given you.

*********************

I ask each of you who do not believe it is true to be a good Berean and follow Acts 17:11

If for nothing else then do it for: John 3:3-6...."Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

You really need to know if you are saved or not and take appropriate steps...


Blade

Hey, you might not be aware but you are riding a very high horse from which you look down upon others and their 'mediocre bible apps' but the truth is, everyone else sees you have no insight on this matter. There's no such thing as gospel for the Jews and gospel for the gentiles, the good news of the kingdom of God is preached to all nations:

Matt 24:14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to allnations, and then the end will come.

 

[Nehemiah6]

OK, since we still have some naysayers, let's deal with this confusion presented by John 146.

The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are two different kingdoms in scripture. Simply, the word "God" does not mean "Heaven". Making the two the same will cause problems and contradictions in the Bible.

Already addressed above.

In Matthew 5, the Kingdom of Heaven is spoken about and it says that if one sinned against God that he would go to hell. While Paul taught that the Kingdom of God is where the Christian lived (Romans 14:17). If the two are same then there is a contradiction that the Christian's salvation includes works.

OK, let's look at every instance in Matthew 5 where the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned:

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Is the Christian excluded from any of these teachings? Not at all.

Now let's look at Romans 14:17: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Is there any conflict between what is in Matthew and what is in Romans? Is it not righteous to be persecuted for righteousness sake, to uphold the least of God's commandments, and to be more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees having the imputed righteousness of Christ?

Matthew 25:14-30 talks about the Kingdom of Heaven where an unfaithful servant goes to hell. Luke 19:12-27 talks about the Kingdom of God where the unfaithful servant loses his rewards and this matches up with the Christian at the Judgment Seat of Christ(2 Cor. 5:10). There is obviously a difference between the two kingdoms.

Only if you look at this superficially. Let's compare Matthew 25 and Luke 19 and see that those two parables are identical other than the fact that one speaks of talents and the other of pounds, but the SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES ARE IDENTICAL:

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. (Mt 25:29)

For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. (Lk 19:26)

As for the servant who was to be cast into Hell, it turns out that he was really Christ's enemy, not His servant:

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Mt 25:30)

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Lk 19:27)

A talent was a weight rather than a coin: 5007 tálanton – a silver talent, worth about 6,000 denarii (gold talents were worth about 30 times as much). A talent was not a coin but rather a weight... used as the basis of monetary exchange.

A pound was a mina, but not like the British pound:3414 mná (from the Latin, "mina") – the Greek silver-ingot (monetary weight) weighing about 1/A of a talent (approximately 13 ounces). See also 1220 /dēnárion("denarius") and 1406/draxmē ("drachma").

The Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom. In Matthew 6:25-33, it talks about not worrying about physical things, but rather spiritual things, which is the Kingdom of God and his righteousness.

Already addressed. It is a spiritual Kingdom in the hearts and minds of those who have been born again and have entered into and seen the Kingdom of God. THIS IS ONLY UNTIL THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.

The Kingdom of God is not a physical place to live in, but rather is within the believer when he is Born Again.

Only if you wish to ignore reams of Scripture which tell us that AFTER the second coming of Christ, the Kingdom of God will be physical, visible, tangible, real, and material.And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.(Dan 7:13,14).

The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom that will take place on earth and consists of violence.

I believe you are misinterpreting that saying of Christ, so let's see what this verse below actually means:

Matthew 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

We will take Matthew Henry's commentary on this as good enough.

From the days of the first appearing of John the Baptist, until now (which was not much above two years), a great deal of good was done; so quick was the motion when it came near to Christ the Centre; The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence —biazetai -vim patitur, like the violence of an army taking a city by storm, or of a crowd bursting into a house, so the violent take it by force. The meaning of this we have in the parallel place, Lu. 16:16 . Since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Multitudes are wrought upon by the ministry of John, and become his disciples. And it is [1.] An improbable multitude. Those strove for a place in this kingdom, that one would think had no right nor title to it, and so seemed to be intruders, and to make a tortuous entry, as our law calls it, a wrongful and forcible one. When the children of the kingdom are excluded out of it, and many come into it from the east and the west, then it suffers violence. Compare this with ch. 21:31, ch. 21:32 . The publicans and harlots believed John, whom the scribes and Pharisees rejected, and so went into the kingdom of God before them, took it over their heads, while they trifled.

Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Jesus tells the Jews that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand in Matthew 4:17. This proves that it is physical because it shows a kingdom coming on earth and is not referring to someone dying. The book of Matthew mentions the Kingdom of Heaven several times speaking of an earthly rule of Israel that is talked about in Old Testament prophecies (Matthew 5:1-6, 13, Matthew 19:10-30).

Why was the Kingdom of Heaven "at hand"? Because King-Messiah was right there on earth in the midst of Israel. Of course it is a physical kingdom, but it is also a spiritual kingdom. SO THERE ARE NOT TWO KINGDOMS. The Kingdom of God (which is also the Kingdom of Heaven) has two aspects -- the physical (which is yet to be established) and the spiritual (which presently exists within the children of God).

 

[Depleted]

Hey, you might not be aware but you are riding a very high horse from which you look down upon others and their 'mediocre bible apps' but the truth is, everyone else sees you have no insight on this matter. There's no such thing as gospel for the Jews and gospel for the gentiles, the good news of the kingdom of God is preached to all nations:

Matt 24:14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to allnations, and then the end will come.

Kindly, don't speak for all of us. At least one of "everyone else" (me) tends to think you have no insight. And your horse is at least two hands higher than Blaze's.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hey, you might not be aware but you are riding a very high horse from which you look down upon others and their 'mediocre bible apps' but the truth is, everyone else sees you have no insight on this matter. There's no such thing as gospel for the Jews and gospel for the gentiles, the good news of the kingdom of God is preached to all nations:

Matt 24:14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to allnations, and then the end will come.

You are right "There's no such thing as gospel for the Jews and gospel for the gentiles" There is only one Gospel today and that is "The Kingdom of GOD".

BUT, there was some 2000 years ago both Kingdoms preached to the people of Jewish and Gentile descent. All of it happened within a very short period of time..

Today, we still have two doctrines preached to the people of the earth (Both Jews and Gentiles). One is "The Gospel of Jesus Christ " 1 Cor 15:1-4 and the other one is....... "The Other Gospel".

God had separate plans in eternity past for both Jews and Gentiles. One is Here and Now; "The Kingdom of GOD". The other "The Kingdom of Heaven" will be after Daniel's 70th week. This has not Changed!

Neither has the plans of Satan changed????for Apostasy is increasing tenfold every year.

BUT remember this; the type of Judgement that God will bring down on that 'Apostasy' and those who preach-teach the 'The Other Gospel' has not changed either!!!!!!!!!

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

OK, since we still have some naysayers, let's deal with this confusion presented by John 146.


Already addressed above.


OK, let's look at every instance in Matthew 5 where the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned:

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Is the Christian excluded from any of these teachings? Not at all.

Now let's look at Romans 14:17: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Is there any conflict between what is in Matthew and what is in Romans? Is it not righteous to be persecuted for righteousness sake, to uphold the least of God's commandments, and to be more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees having the imputed righteousness of Christ?

Only if you look at this superficially. Let's compare Matthew 25 and Luke 19 and see that those two parables are identical other than the fact that one speaks of talents and the other of pounds, but the SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES ARE IDENTICAL:

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. (Mt 25:29)

For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. (Lk 19:26)

As for the servant who was to be cast into Hell, it turns out that he was really Christ's enemy, not His servant:

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Mt 25:30)

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Lk 19:27)

A talent was a weight rather than a coin: 5007 tálanton – a silver talent, worth about 6,000 denarii (gold talents were worth about 30 times as much). A talent was not a coin but rather a weight... used as the basis of monetary exchange.

A pound was a mina, but not like the British pound:3414 mná (from the Latin, "mina") – the Greek silver-ingot (monetary weight) weighing about 1/A of a talent (approximately 13 ounces). See also 1220 /dēnárion("denarius") and 1406/draxmē ("drachma").

Already addressed. It is a spiritual Kingdom in the hearts and minds of those who have been born again and have entered into and seen the Kingdom of God. THIS IS ONLY UNTIL THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.


Only if you wish to ignore reams of Scripture which tell us that AFTER the second coming of Christ, the Kingdom of God will be physical, visible, tangible, real, and material.And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.(Dan 7:13,14).

I believe you are misinterpreting that saying of Christ, so let's see what this verse below actually means:

Matthew 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

We will take Matthew Henry's commentary on this as good enough.





Why was the Kingdom of Heaven "at hand"? Because King-Messiah was right there on earth in the midst of Israel. Of course it is a physical kingdom, but it is also a spiritual kingdom. SO THERE ARE NOT TWO KINGDOMS. The Kingdom of God (which is also the Kingdom of Heaven) has two aspects -- the physical (which is yet to be established) and the spiritual (which presently exists within the children of God).

Your still not getting it...at all.....You cannot put the two together. for one "The Kingdom of GOD" was a mystery until Jesus told Paul..... It was not known in the time period prior to this event. It was all "The Kingdom of Heaven". The Jewish people turn away from GOD (John the Baptist), Jesus (Crucified Him) and Steven (stoned him to death) Three times before Jesus turned to the Gentiles.

Now do you believe????I can only pray you do!.........."THE Kingdom of GOD" was not known during Jesus' Ministry but "THE Kingdom of Heaven" was known about and rejected by the Jewish People.

Good reading to you,

Blade

 

[OneFaith]

There is no such thing as "no more physicality" in God's universe. Sounds pretty Gnostic and is certainly not biblical.

What supports physical life on this earth? Water. There will be no more sea. (Revelation 21:1). God’s people will never hunger and thirst again, (Revelation 7:16) why? Because they won’t have physical bodies. “Food for the stomach, stomach for food, but both will be destroyed.” (1 Corinthians 6:13).

 

[Bladerunner]

What supports physical life on this earth? Water. There will be no more sea. (Revelation 21:1). God’s people will never hunger and thirst again, why? Because they won’t have physical bodies. “Food for the stomach, stomach for food, but both will be destroyed.”

OH, I am not so sure about that OneFaith......Jesus tells us we will be like HIM for we shall see him as he is and as the lamb that was slain. I suspect our new bodies will be of light like HIS is.....If this is the case, we know that Angels could transform themselves into humans. They had physical bodies that could be touched by mortal man and could eat a good meal when necessary. Yes, there will be no more sea but there will be a river of Crystal clear water running through the middle of New Jerusalem.

Don't give up, but have the Faith that Jesus Christ Died, was Buried and was Resurrected for yours and my sins. His Blood from that cross washed our sins away. Hallelujah, Praise God on high! Amen

Blade

 

[Noose]

Kindly, don't speak for all of us. At least one of "everyone else" (me) tends to think you have no insight. And your horse is at least two hands higher than Blaze's.

And when you say 'us', who do you represent?
Your horse is shorter but not very short.

 

[Depleted]

And when you say 'us', who do you represent?
Your horse is shorter but not very short.

Us = "everyone else." You're the one who set apart who "us" is.

As for my horse? Here's my horse.

Honestly, I really don't get half of what's being said about this, so I have no opinion beyond, "I disagree with that."