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The kingdom of God,and the kingdom of heaven,are the same.

In the Gospels all 4 writers use kingdom of God,and Paul uses kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one in the New Testament that uses kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew used kingdom of heaven,and kingdom of God,in the same scenario,meaning that they are the same.

Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke used kingdom of God twice.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Matthew uses kingdom of heaven,and Luke uses kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one who uses kingdom of heaven,and he would not be relating something different than the other writers,and Paul,who uses kingdom of God.
 

John146

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#22
The kingdom of God,and the kingdom of heaven,are the same.

In the Gospels all 4 writers use kingdom of God,and Paul uses kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one in the New Testament that uses kingdom of heaven.
Matthew is the Jewish gospel account proclaiming the good news of the kingdom promised to Israel. This kingdom was a literal, physical, visible kingdom on earth where the Messiah will reign on the throne of David.

The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom that will take place on earth and consists of violence. Remember that the earth is in the heaven(Genesis 1:14-16).

Matthew 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

The first place where the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned is where John the Baptist was preaching about the fulfillment of Isaiah 40. John was preaching about the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. Other Old Testament prophecies also reveal that the Kingdom of Heaven was physical. Read Genesis 49:10; Isaiah 2:1-5, 49:5-13; Psalms 2; Jeremiah 23:5 and Luke 1:30-33.

Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Jesus tells the Jews that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand in Matthew 4:17. This proves that it is physical because it shows a kingdom coming on earth and is not referring to someone dying. The book of Matthew mentions the Kingdom of Heaven several times speaking of an earthly rule of Israel that is talked about in Old Testament prophecies(Matthew 5:1-6, 13, Matthew 19:10-30).

Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
 

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The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven in the NT are referring to the same place. Matthew is the only writer who uses the Kingdome of Heaven. Now we know they all wrote about many of the same events, so how could one writer be speaking of a different place than the others about the same subject.
When the Bible says the Kingdome of God is in you it is referring to the Holy Spirit who is the Governing Spirit of the God head for us on Earth. Father God is not on earth with us neither is Jesus the Word so Holy Spirit is here. When one country colonizes another they set a governor in that land to enforce the laws of the kingdom. Holy Spirit is here to enforce the Kingdom laws, culture and Character in the believer so we reflect our King.
 
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The kingdom of God,and the kingdom of heaven,are the same.

In the Gospels all 4 writers use kingdom of God,and Paul uses kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one in the New Testament that uses kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew used kingdom of heaven,and kingdom of God,in the same scenario,meaning that they are the same.

Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke used kingdom of God twice.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Matthew uses kingdom of heaven,and Luke uses kingdom of God.

Matthew is the only one who uses kingdom of heaven,and he would not be relating something different than the other writers,and Paul,who uses kingdom of God.

Yes they are the same, paul uses a few different terms its refered to as

colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated usinto the kingdom of his dear Son:

ephesians 5:5 :" For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."


1 cor 6 : 10 "
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

or simply the Kingdom. if you look closely matthews teachings of the Kingdom of Heaven are the same you find in Luke and mark for the most part, the Only difference being Matthews wording.

each writer is speaking from the Holy spirit, but thier individualism also shows through, they use different expressions, different phrases and wordings to express the same things, just like if a group of 10 of us wrote the same experiences down, each would have different details, and different perspectives and phrases. Paul is much more educated and from a very different background than say John and peter humble jewish fishermen, whereas paul is a roman citizen and would have been more cultured and educated in writing and a pharisee which means he was well versed in scripture.

often they are saying the same things, with different words. and there are things to show that peter was preaching to the same Curches as paul things like this

2 peter 3 " And account that the longsuffering of our Lord issalvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."


i think its important to understand things like " the kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God" are the same thing, and that ideas that paul and peter had 2 different ministries, is false, those things are inmportant because they shape the way we learn.
 
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Matthew is the Jewish gospel account proclaiming the good news of the kingdom promised to Israel. This kingdom was a literal, physical, visible kingdom on earth where the Messiah will reign on the throne of David.

The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom that will take place on earth and consists of violence. Remember that the earth is in the heaven(Genesis 1:14-16).

Matthew 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

The first place where the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned is where John the Baptist was preaching about the fulfillment of Isaiah 40. John was preaching about the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. Other Old Testament prophecies also reveal that the Kingdom of Heaven was physical. Read Genesis 49:10; Isaiah 2:1-5, 49:5-13; Psalms 2; Jeremiah 23:5 and Luke 1:30-33.

Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Jesus tells the Jews that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand in Matthew 4:17. This proves that it is physical because it shows a kingdom coming on earth and is not referring to someone dying. The book of Matthew mentions the Kingdom of Heaven several times speaking of an earthly rule of Israel that is talked about in Old Testament prophecies(Matthew 5:1-6, 13, Matthew 19:10-30).

Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matthew is the Jewish gospel account proclaiming the good news of the kingdom promised to Israel. This kingdom was a literal, physical, visible kingdom on earth where the Messiah will reign on the throne of David.



this earth will be destroyed, the jews were also not seeing the Kingdom of God, the new jerusalem, davids throne is in heaven, Jesus is sitting on Hios throne, in revelation you see it coming down out of Heaven from God.davids throne is not on earth, its at Gods right Hand. and Jesus is the seed of david who is sitting upon it. the earth is already doomed.


acts 2 " Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

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Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

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For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."


Jesus is On davids throne, it was a prophecy concerning Jesus sitting at Gods right Hand, King eternal
 

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Matthew is the Jewish gospel account proclaiming the good news of the kingdom promised to Israel. This kingdom was a literal, physical, visible kingdom on earth where the Messiah will reign on the throne of David.



this earth will be destroyed, the jews were also not seeing the Kingdom of God, the new jerusalem, davids throne is in heaven, Jesus is sitting on Hios throne, in revelation you see it coming down out of Heaven from God.davids throne is not on earth, its at Gods right Hand. and Jesus is the seed of david who is sitting upon it. the earth is already doomed.


acts 2 " Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

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Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

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For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."


Jesus is On davids throne, it was a prophecy concerning Jesus sitting at Gods right Hand, King eternal
Replacement theology? Has the body of Christ replaced Israel for good? Are the Lord's promises concerning Israel gone? David's throne a heavenly throne? I don't see how the verses you quoted support such a claim.

Of course they were looking for an earthly kingdom with the rightful promised king on the throne.

Matthew 2
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Even the disciples were looking for this earthly kingdom to be restored in Acts 1.


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
 
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of course you dont see it because it doesnt need a long explaination its just plain look carefully at what peter is saying


Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."


where is Jesus seated ? again?

mark 16"19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."



is it really that hard to accept? as for the current earth ?

2 peter 3 :
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."


if thats " replacement theology" then yea i believe what peter is clearly saying there....im not really a theologin i just study the biblical texts and believe what the Bible says. Kinda why im in a bible discussion forum
 
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Replacement theology? Has the body of Christ replaced Israel for good? Are the Lord's promises concerning Israel gone? David's throne a heavenly throne? I don't see how the verses you quoted support such a claim.

Of course they were looking for an earthly kingdom with the rightful promised king on the throne.

Matthew 2
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Even the disciples were looking for this earthly kingdom to be restored in Acts 1.


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

john 4 " But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

john 18 " Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. "


the New Jerusalem zion is davids Kingdom ruled By the Messiah his seed, One day we will see

revelation 13:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


this earth is not our Promised land anymore, we will inherit the new earth and Heavens. and Jesus reigns even Now, as Gods plan unfolds on earth as it has in Heaven.
 

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Replacement theology? Has the body of Christ replaced Israel for good? Are the Lord's promises concerning Israel gone? David's throne a heavenly throne? I don't see how the verses you quoted support such a claim.

Of course they were looking for an earthly kingdom with the rightful promised king on the throne.

Matthew 2
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Even the disciples were looking for this earthly kingdom to be restored in Acts 1.


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
I don’t think that they were given to understand what you said,, they consistently refer back to the other as if it is the same.
 
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Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not flesh and blood.
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It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name
of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and
all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go
no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city
of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:
and I will write upon him my new name.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8)
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted to Jerusalem(Isaiah 60:5, 11:15).
World’s gold and silver reserves under the seas for beautiful decorations there.
-Gods latter house shall be greater than of the former (Haggai 2:9)
-Jerusalem is uniquely describes as being “compact together,” tall 122:3

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)
-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men” being very social(Ezekiel 36:36-37-38)
-Superhighways between major cities (Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none be made afried (Ezekiel 34:28-Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting, nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)
-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17) -Equitable property distribution
- every man shall own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4-Lev25) and

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice of melody(Isaiah 51:3)(Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)
-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local animal husbandry (Jer. 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where trees grow (Isaiah 35)
-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant of renown (Ezekiel 34:29)
-A new sharp threshing instrument -the mountains made small(Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of Israel will not forsake them. (ver 17-18)

-Trees planted and growing-consider and understand that the [Eternal] hath
done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it” . (verse 19-20)

-All will speak the same language, a pure language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols, Ezekiel 30:13, Micah 5:10-15, Zechariah 13:2
Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst
of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7)
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name.
Psalms 66:4 -God has spoken it, and He is not one to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)

thats a great addition thanks for all the great scripture ! God bless
 

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Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is
born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
 
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of course you dont see it because it doesnt need a long explaination its just plain look carefully at what peter is saying


Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."


where is Jesus seated ? again?

mark 16"19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."



is it really that hard to accept? as for the current earth ?

2 peter 3 :
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."


if thats " replacement theology" then yea i believe what peter is clearly saying there....im not really a theologin i just study the biblical texts and believe what the Bible says. Kinda why im in a bible discussion forum
whats really cool, is to read what peter writes there about the end and the new Heavens and earth, and then find other aspects of what He is saying Like in revelation

2 peter 3 : But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?




2 peter 3"13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

revelation 21: "AndI saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

this part is what Jesus promised us, truly eternal Life in the presence of God, in a brand new earth, and brand new heavens. ultimately we have to Live by Faith, because we do not receive the things were promised, until after we die. so we Live Life by Faith in those promises. consistantly the Bible teaches us to not root ourselves in this World, but to keep from letting it pollute our Minds and Hearts, and journey through it towards Home. Life for us is Life the prodigals journey all we have to do is follow where Jesus Leads us through His word. and we will receive every promise that Him who suffered and died, and then Rose victorious has promised. His conditions are the Only conditions upon salvation. He has that right, only He is worthy.

But what a reward and what a promise He has given Us, eternity, a world without death, suffering, sin, disease, lies, deciet, starvation, wars, gossip, slander, no ill will, no theft , no crime, no dangers, no strife, no tribulation, no goodbyes, no funerals, no aging body falling apart, millions of family.......


Gods Kingdom has alot of reasons to seek after Him if a person Believes His promises. to see Gods face? to be children of God? to inherit the new Earth? to have access to receive Gods Spirit in us? things so great we cant possibly imagine?

sadly many people focus on the promises of the Mosaic Law, trying to apply them to christianity. the Law of moses is the religion of Judaism. Christianity is the way of Jesus Christ, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God promised By the former Judaism, and the culmination of the Law and prophets. the Law promises blessings upon the obedient, flourishing crops, blessings coming and going, long years of Life , good Health ect, success when your plans are in the Lord......ect.


Jesus makes promises to His disciples on earth also, and it is quite the Opposite, they will be mistreated, exlcuded, persecuted even imprisoned and slain because of following Him. but they are promised true Life, what is not bound by the veil of death, what Lies beyond its shadow. Jesus Kingdom will come into manifestation at the appointed time, but already He is Lord of Heaven and earth....currently is a time of unfolding until we see the Lord. but even Now in this Life we are suppose to live as if were looking forward to Our Home with God, and not Living to be as comfortable as we can in this fading place.
 
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Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is
born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

1 peter 1 : And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

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But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. and this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

john 3 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure
unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."





 

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The physical kingdom was appointed to Adam in Genesis 1:28. Adam was also in dominion over a spiritual kingdom until he fell(Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-5). When Adam fell he lost the image of God and the spiritual kingdom was gone.

1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

After Adam, we see God setting up His physical kingdom on earth through the Kings of Israel. The Devil also appoints physical kingdoms on earth(Deut. 13:12-16, Luke 4:6, 2 Cor. 4:4). The Devil rules the kingdom of Assyria and Egypt through the king of Assyria and Pharaoh in Ezekiel 31 and 29. Jeremiah recognized that God's physical kingdom ended at the Babylonian Captivity(Lamentations 5:16).

Satan is referred to the god of this world in 2 Corinthians 4:4 and is in charge of worldly kingdoms that he can give to people(Luke 4:6). In Daniel 10:13, the Devil was the ruler of the kingdom of Persia during the times of the Gentiles.

When the New Testament begins Jesus comes into the world and the Jews remember that God promised them that he would restore His physical kingdom as talked about earlier in the article. Jesus preached about both the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God(John 4:24). He preached about both because he can rule both at the same time, which explains why he talks about them with conjunction with each other sometimes in the Gospels. The Kingdom of Heaven was put off for Israel because they rejected Jesus as King and chose a Gentile king instead.

John 19:15 "But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar."
 
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The physical kingdom was appointed to Adam in Genesis 1:28. Adam was also in dominion over a spiritual kingdom until he fell(Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-5). When Adam fell he lost the image of God and the spiritual kingdom was gone. "

agreed, the control over the material fleshly part of Gods creation was sold as a slave to sin, the flesh was condemned by adams transgression, not only was adam Given dominion, mankind was given dominion because Gods blessings reamain with the seed of Him who is given the blessing, so all man was given dominion because we are humans, were all cildren physically of adam. this is the very reason man is born and dies unlike God. with the dominion we also inherit the nature of our father adam, the first sinners are our parents, this is why we nee redemption.

adam was given dominion, but He gave it to the serpent, through sin, which is exeact;y the opposite of Gods word. dont eat the deadly fruit"...Go ahead and eat it. Gods creation was "very good" on genesis 1, and by chapter 6 " all flesh is only evil continually. that is why the earth and all its works will be destroyed evil will not remain in the new things, creation will never be deceived again. its about the redemption of all of creation, spiritual, and material. Jesus redeemed the heavens and those who dwell in them as well. all wickendess whether spiritual, or material will be destroyed eternally.

Jesus is the Lord of both Heaven, and earth. both the Living, and the dead. in fact that part is why He died to be the Lord of the dead and the Living, in order to redeem us from Death. we were already sentanced to death its why we die. were offered Life for the already dead our spirit even in the ot went back to God, it never died spirit is eternal the second death is eternal torment because spirit comes form God and its eternal.

God says to adam " from dust you came and to dust you will return" this is adams body He was formed of the dust, but he did not become a living soul, until God breathed His own Breath into adams nostrils. adam in effect became a proxy for satans will, thats what sin is. he made men sinners to prefoprem His will on earth, he essentially infiltrated creation the earth and the heavens. created rebellion among the angels, and the people against the creator. he tries a hostile takover, and of course lost the attempt. things unfolding Now are what God has always said would be, from beginning to end Gods word will come to pass.


its really simple regarding the Kingdom of Heaven, and Kingdom of God....Jesus is the King and all of it belongs to God. Gods Kingdom is all of Creation all that is redeemed through Jesus Christ, will exist for eternity, this earth however is doomed its already written its useless its no ones Home we Live By Faith in the promises Jesus Christ made to His followers. the earth is reserved for judgement and fire, destruction. were promised in Christ

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

its about whats been written all along in the prophetsFor, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


this is the promise and it continues until revelation

revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."


this world was lost to evil and reaped destruction, Jesus came to redeem the good that remains for the new things He has been promising from the beginning after the fall. this creation is doomed....its what were saved from.

2 peter 3:13 "
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.....

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were saved from One and delivered into what is coming, the things we must believe that He promised in His ministry. eternal Life, the Holy spirit, friendship with God, the many mansions prepared. " come you who are blessed by my father and inherit the kingom prepared for you from before the foundation"..... it is still Gods plan to give man dominion, only Now its through Christ and His life rather than adam and His death......

its all One teaching, the jew and gentile are the same now, the former is finished and the new is Christ