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Stunnedbygrace

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Nov 12, 2015
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Gdyloves, are you still here? Are you angry with me?

I know there have been some people in here recently preaching a different gospel. I want you to be strong in the Gospel Jesus preached and in what His disciples passed on to us. Its hard to not be taken in sometimes by those who preach what sounds good but is not true. I don't want that for you because you are precious to God.
 

bluto

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No that's not what I'm saying..
What i am saying is God already knew what would happen
Now gdyloves, is your statement above suppose to be some kind of "earth shattering news?" Of couse God already knows what's going to happen. Secondly, this statement of yours in your opening thread reads: The LAMB was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world, but in all actuality it was slain ONLY in the mind of God and his word of PROPHECY that was yet to come. So in this way Jesus was BEFORE Abraham was born."

If Jesus Christ "DID NOT" according to you exist His incarnation as a man and only in the mind of Go then perhaps you can answer the following question? I would love to know why the Son is identified or presented as the Agent of creation at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 not only by the Apostles but by Jesus' own Father?

And just to be clear I'll even put the question another way for you so you won't be confused. This is what Isaiah 44:24 states, "Thus says the Lord your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord, am the maker of ALL things, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF, And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."

Since this is true then again I am asking you to explain why Jesus Christ is identified at the verses I quoted you as the Agent of creation? I mean look at what Colossians 1:16-17 clearly says, "For by Him ALL things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM." This my friend is "NOT" talking about things being created in the mind of God as you say.

And one more point which proves this is not talking about prophecy in the future or as in the mind of God. Look at John 1:2-3, "He was in the beginning with God. Vs3, All things came into being by Him, AND APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING THAT HAS COME INTO BEING." How do you explain this gdyloves? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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Jesus was robed with Glory and has existed for all eternity...he has no beginning and or ending....he is Alpha and Omega....He existed as God before he disrobed himself of glory and took the form of man.......
 
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Well The Contemporary English Version of the bible would agree with me so go ask the American Bible Society about its credentials


The word in blue is the word for "was" notice that "egō eimi" is not used in 9:5 only "eimi" is used and you want us to believe you that, I AM means, I was. How can we believe that you are translating it right if you do not even quote the Greek text accurately. Here is the link to the Greek manuscripts for anyone to view, to see if I misrepresented them.
Well The Contemporary English Version of the bible would agree with me so go ask the American Bible Society about its credentials

John 8:58 CEV
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.”[g] 59 The people picked up stones to kill Jesus, but he hid and left the temple.