The Law Debacle Resolved

[eternally-gratefull]

The teachings of Jesus Christ are perfect. We would serve God best by following them and not the teachings of man about Him. They never agree; this is why be have denominaitons and the faith of Abraham has been brushed aside.

so when are you going to believe what he said in John 6 about eternal security in Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The saying of Augustine's I am most familiar with is:

In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity.

I do like that

And who doesn't know TULIP from Calvin? The problem with many of these
man made understandings is they seem to always leave something to be desired.

thats why we need to follow God and the word not men, I have many men I listen to. But very few I actually agree with everything they say.

If we blindly follow men, we get what we have in here, Blind followers

 

[crossnote]

The teachings of Jesus Christ are perfect. We would serve God best by following them and not the teachings of man about Him. They never agree; this is why be have denominaitons and the faith of Abraham has been brushed aside.

Then you can start here..

Luke 18:22 (KJV) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

 

[KennethC]

I would say some of the teachings did, while others clearly did not... unless I am mistaken, of course. I must admit I have read more about them from others than actually having had studied the works of their own hands...

Yes some of the early true teachings did carry over but apostasy started getting real bad by the 4th century on.

The quotes that I have used came directly from Apostles mentioned in the bible such as Barnabas, and also those who were lead directly under one of the main 11 such as Ignatius and Polycarp who both studied under John.

Here are a few others:

Those who do not obey Him . . . have ceased to be His sons. – Irenaeus, Irenaeus Against Heresies, Book 4.41.3.

They only who fear the Lord and keep His commandments have life with God; but as to those who keep not His commandments, there is no life in them. Shepherd of Hermas, 2.7 (A.D. 155).

 

[Magenta]

thats why we need to follow God and the word not men, I have many men I listen to. But very few I actually agree with everything they say.

If we blindly follow men, we get what we have in here, Blind followers

Even those teachers whom I have come to admire, respect, and love, I can disagree with on certain points, without it affecting my love and appreciation of them Oh, but wouldn't it be lovely to find those with whom we agree on all points? Is it even possible? I wonder...

 

[crossnote]

Even those teachers whom I have come to admire, respect, and love, I can disagree with on certain points, without it affecting my love and appreciation of them Oh, but wouldn't it be lovely to find those with whom we agree on all points? Is it even possible? I wonder...

Hopefully someone like the apostle Paul.

 

[KennethC]

The saying of Augustine's I am most familiar with is:

In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity.

I do like that

And who doesn't know TULIP from Calvin? The problem with many of these
man made understandings is they seem to always leave something to be desired.

We must remember what the Word of God says in Titus 1:16, that there will be those who profess to know God but in their works they deny Him, being abominable, being disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

The meaning here is that even if they say or do some good things if their bad teachings and bad deeds outweigh those by far then those good deeds do not amount to making them acceptable to God.

 

[Magenta]

Hopefully someone like the apostle Paul.

Ack, but even Paul certainly had his quarrels, didn't he? Everything was so misunderstood at first, and he was so on fire for the spreading of the Word, and whipping the Church into shape... but thank God for Paul! I shudder to think where we may have ended up without him. I can hardly tolerate those who denigrate his contribution to Christianity.

 

[KennethC]

Ack, but even Paul certainly had his quarrels, didn't he? Everything was so misunderstood at first, and he was so on fire for the spreading of the Word, and whipping the Church into shape... but thank God for Paul! I shudder to think where we may have ended up without him. I can hardly tolerate those who denigrate his contribution to Christianity.

Apostle Paul:

Acts 20:28-31


28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.

31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Even those teachers whom I have come to admire, respect, and love, I can disagree with on certain points, without it affecting my love and appreciation of them Oh, but wouldn't it be lovely to find those with whom we agree on all points? Is it even possible? I wonder...

That would be almost scary,,lol.. Iron sharpens iron I always say.

 

[crossnote]

Ack, but even Paul certainly had his quarrels, didn't he? Everything was so misunderstood at first, and he was so on fire for the spreading of the Word, and whipping the Church into shape... but thank God for Paul! I shudder to think where we may have ended up without him. I can hardly tolerate those who denigrate his contribution to Christianity.

True Paul had his nay sayers, but we can be 100% confident of his words which were inspired by the Lord and directed to His Church, His Body, made up of both Jew and Gentile making clear the our standing in grace...we cannot say such things of the ECFs.

 

[Utah]

I would like all who will to read just how this person understood what was being posted about my mother's heroic effort to have a healthy child in spit of her then poverty. Read and understand just why trying to reach some folks is a dialog with the deaf............

I knew you'd miss the blue highlighted words; same way you miss God's perfect grace; that's why they were highlighted. People who embrace God's grace are the one's who's efforts of dialogue with legalists are efforts in futility.

Tell me about the rabbits, George . . .

 

[Utah]

You have just placed a person who is walking enmity to God as saved by this response, as the bible is very clear on where deliberate sinful actions that are not repented of lead and it is not salvation through Christ.

The Word of God says that people who continue to live like this are trampling the Son of God underfoot, and they will stand before God and face His judgment and a fiery indignation. (Hebrews 10)

Grace does not excuse sinful behavior, and Apostle Jude clearly says those who take the grace of God to allow lewdness (sinful behavior) are marked for condemnation. (Jude 1:4)

The epistle of Jude needs to be read more often by believers !!!

Jesus said, Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Didn't He? Didn't He!

 

[Utah]

You have lived under a shell and never done open air evangelism. The 4 spiritual laws are navigators summary of making a step of faith and becoming a christian. You are right again, I should not have assumed after 20+ years in the church you have no come across one on the basic tools used. You live and learn.

I now understand where we differ. You have no communion with the Lord, or infilling of the Holy Spirit, or experience of teaching, guidance, conviction, growth, transformation with the Lord. You think christianity is just the baptism of John, then it is wrote learning of scripture until heaven dawns. Or have I got it wrong, troll.

Wow! Just Wow! Thankfully Jesus says otherwise.

 

[Utah]

You are still on ignore E.G.

E.G., you won the lottery!

I hope I win that same lottery!

 

[Utah]

God is greatly glorified by His children while many are being exposed by their own words. Praise Jesus Christ, amen.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, who obey Him because they love Him, for all who love Him obey Him, amen.

You couldn't possibly be more like the following man if you tried:

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

 

[Least]

E.G., you won the lottery!

I hope I win that same lottery!

You guys just never give up...You're just plain mean, and you try to justify it by thinking that you're funny...

Not funny at all.

 

[Utah]

You guys just never give up...You're just plain mean, and you try to justify it by thinking that you're funny...

Not funny at all.

On the contrary, its hysterical. And smiley faces override any essence of meanness that might be construed. Well, its supposed to anyway.

 

[Least]

On the contrary, its hysterical. And smiley faces override any essence of meanness that might be construed. Well, its supposed to anyway.

Don't ya think this has gone on long enough? You seem like a nice guy....usually..

I bet if you met some of the people you're bickering with in real life, you'd get along great.

 

[ember]

I'm on ignore

You're on ignore

We're on ignore

Pretty soon, this whole thing should be over

Unless of course, people keep telling the people they have on ignore, that they are on ignore, but they say that to draw attention to the fact they have you on ignore because they do not want to be ignored

ignoring the fact, that it is self defeating to constantly tell someone you have them on ignore, how can you know how wrong they are if you can't read their posts?