The law of Christ
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What I meant by insufficient, or rather less effective, is Hebrews chapters 9 and 10 speak of the replacement of the sacrifices of bulls and goats, which needed to be offered yearly for every subsequent sin, with the sacrifice of Christ.
I do not see that we are to discard anything other than those sacrifices as 10: 16 says, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (to me this means they will not so easily be broken as when written only on stone) and then there is an exhortation to hold fast until His coming.
I do not see that we are to discard anything other than those sacrifices as 10: 16 says, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (to me this means they will not so easily be broken as when written only on stone) and then there is an exhortation to hold fast until His coming.
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aw, thanks. 
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia ) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.
it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia
) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
aw, thanks.
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia ) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.
it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia
) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
aw, thanks.
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia ) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.
it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia
) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
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That's it! We all struggle. You are not alone. God Bless you sis. You are an inspiration to all who read your comment concerning the reality of life. So many times people tend to separate the reality of life from professing Christ. Such a big mistake. When we take on His yoke, our walk with our Lord becomes a 24/7 deal. (Big smile)
all the commands i read had the power to point out my sin, and show me who i really am.
but no power to change who i am.
it took the Grace and the Love of God to remind me Whose i am...
what Christ has done for me...and the Promises He made...
that i've been forgiven for it, and it was Grace that showed me it needs to be dealt with.
God's Law, though perfect, has no power to change a heart.
it can point out sin, but cannot remove it.
only God's love in the Gospel has the Power to do that.
oh, how i thank God for the immutable Covenant of His Love and Grace in Jesus' blood. ♥
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aw, thanks.
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia ) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.
it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
this was brought home to me recently as i've been having trouble with perseverance.
i read all the commands (Law) to do just that, and i felt my guilt and quite a bit of desperation...
i just didn't know how to change my feelings, though i knew they were wrong.
it wasn't until i went to the Lord with it, and He, full of Grace, reminded me i was not alone.
He reminded me He would lift me, and enable me, and strengthen me.
He reminded me no matter how many times i fall, He will pick me up.
you see, i needed that reminder (due to my spiritual amnesia
) that ultimately it's not about what i can do.it's all about what Christ has done, and continues to do on my behalf.
all glory to the Most High God. ♥
[h=1]Romans 5:20King James Version (KJV)[/h]20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
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Is love the doing away of the law or the glue of the law ?
Is Paul referring to the ten commandments or the law of Christ ?
Romans 13:9-10King James Version (KJV)
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Is Paul referring to the ten commandments or the law of Christ ?
Romans 13:9-10King James Version (KJV)
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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You will notice that keeping Sabbath was not mentioned. Because Jesus is the Sabbath there is no rest without Him. Paul is teaching that we are incapable of keeping these commandments and the law of Christ is the same as the law of the Spirit.
When we are saved we are unplugged from the sin nature and plugged into the Divine nature by the Holt Spirit. But Paul would also say that I find in my members the law of sin ( the sin nature). Paul was trying to live for God by keeping the law as He was trained in the law and in line to be High Priest trained at the feet Gamaliel ( think I spelt lt wrong) a Pharisee of Pharisee's.
Then Paul gives us the meaning of the cross
1 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Meaning that if we have faith in Christ or the Cross we remain unplugged from the sin nature or power of sin as before salvation we were slaves to sin with no hope. So if we place faith in anything we do (the law of sin which is in the flesh) we fail and again are subject to the power of sin or the sin nature, until our faith is returned to the work of the Cross which allows the Holy Spirit to work in us producing fruit.
When we are saved we are unplugged from the sin nature and plugged into the Divine nature by the Holt Spirit. But Paul would also say that I find in my members the law of sin ( the sin nature). Paul was trying to live for God by keeping the law as He was trained in the law and in line to be High Priest trained at the feet Gamaliel ( think I spelt lt wrong) a Pharisee of Pharisee's.
Then Paul gives us the meaning of the cross
1 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Meaning that if we have faith in Christ or the Cross we remain unplugged from the sin nature or power of sin as before salvation we were slaves to sin with no hope. So if we place faith in anything we do (the law of sin which is in the flesh) we fail and again are subject to the power of sin or the sin nature, until our faith is returned to the work of the Cross which allows the Holy Spirit to work in us producing fruit.
Is our walk a walk of faith or law?
Gal 3:11, But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12, And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Oh wait, one more...
Gal 3:14, That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:11, But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12, And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Oh wait, one more...
Gal 3:14, That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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Both. Remember your thread? Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
First things first and that's why the works of the law mean nothing.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
First things first and that's why the works of the law mean nothing.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
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No, i think they are the same. When Jesus was tempted by satan, and responded back, it is written, i think He was quoting directly from Deuteronomy. i think if Jesus quoted it is written, He was preaching the laws to satan. i'm not saying that what i say is for sure its, how i feel. If Jesus was walking the earth today preaching like He was 2000 years ago, i think He would be preaching the laws of His Father, He is the Word.
Actually, you are correct here.
The Old Covenant was a physical covenant that was made with a physical people. They did not have access to the Holy Spirit and therefore the promises made to them were physical...
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
The promises were individual and national blessings of a temporal nature.
The New Covenant is a spiritual covenant based on Spiritual PROMISES...
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Note carefully, that the N.C. was based on better PROMISES. The Laws are the same...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Nothing is ever said about giving new and better Laws. What is given is the Holy Spirit which gives one the ability to understand not only the letter of the Law but the Spirit of the Law and then to LIVE BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
The Law itself is never listed as the problem...
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
This verse nails the problem. The problem is a carnal heart cannot live as God wants him to...
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Same problem Israel had...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
What was the fault He found with them?
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
The Holy Spirit gives one the ability to have the Law imprinted on his heart and mind...
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
With the Holy Spirit one can KNOW the mind of God...
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
The Old Covenant was a physical covenant that was made with a physical people. They did not have access to the Holy Spirit and therefore the promises made to them were physical...
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
The promises were individual and national blessings of a temporal nature.
The New Covenant is a spiritual covenant based on Spiritual PROMISES...
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Note carefully, that the N.C. was based on better PROMISES. The Laws are the same...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Nothing is ever said about giving new and better Laws. What is given is the Holy Spirit which gives one the ability to understand not only the letter of the Law but the Spirit of the Law and then to LIVE BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
The Law itself is never listed as the problem...
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
This verse nails the problem. The problem is a carnal heart cannot live as God wants him to...
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Same problem Israel had...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
What was the fault He found with them?
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
The Holy Spirit gives one the ability to have the Law imprinted on his heart and mind...
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
With the Holy Spirit one can KNOW the mind of God...
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Please show me a scripture that says that Jesus is the Sabbath. I will show you the one where it says that Christ MADE the Sabbath and is LORD of the Sabbath...
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Now for the one that actually says to observe the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word for rest here is Sabbatismos. The Diaglott does a very good job on the translation here...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Even my trusty ole Oxford wide margin KJV has keeping the Sabbath in the margin as a correct translation here.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Now for the one that actually says to observe the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word for rest here is Sabbatismos. The Diaglott does a very good job on the translation here...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
Even my trusty ole Oxford wide margin KJV has keeping the Sabbath in the margin as a correct translation here.