The law

[gotime]

Many times when the law is spoken of we refer to either the 10 commandments or the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament. While this is a truth there is more to it than that.

Did you know the the entire Old Testament is the law and the Prophets. every story is the law. The prophets pointed to the law. This is important to remember because that means that Every story is a lesson on the character of God and specifically Jesus.

Jesus said:

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The Scriptures here are the Old Testament. Jesus says they testify of Himself. this means every law every story is about Jesus. all of them, Ruth, Esther, Moses, Abraham etc. every story tells us something about Jesus.

This is why we do not have a complete history in the Bible. only the stories that are about Jesus directly are included by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Again Jesus shows that all the Old Testament is to be fulfilled in Jesus.

That means that the Old Testament is also an essential part of Understanding who Jesus is. The Old testament is the larger part of the bible and is in line perfectly with the New.

Blessings.

 

[tek]

The Scriptures here are the Old Testament....all of them, Ruth, Esther, Moses, Abraham etc. every story tells us something about Jesus.

uhm really? Which Old Testament?


The Protestant Bible, of which the NIV is one version, is seven books shorter than the Bible used by Roman Catholics. But Protestants didn't just take out books; they used a different standard of what should be in the Bible.

The Hebrew Bible has 24 books. This list, or "canon," was affirmed at the Councils of Jamnia in A.D. 90 and 118. The Protestant Old Testament includes exactly the same information, but organized into 39 books. For example, the Hebrew Bible has one book of Samuel, while the Protestant Bible has I and II Samuel—same book, but divided into two parts.

In addition to these 39 books, the Catholic Old Testament includes Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch (includes the Letters of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther. These books were included in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of a different Hebrew canon. Early church fathers, who relied on the Septuagint (they could read Greek, but not Hebrew), sometimes quoted these books as Scripture. The status of the books continued to be debated throughout the Middle Ages

The Orthodox Old Testament is also different from Catholic and Protestant

 

[gotime]

uhm really? Which Old Testament?


The Protestant Bible, of which the NIV is one version, is seven books shorter than the Bible used by Roman Catholics. But Protestants didn't just take out books; they used a different standard of what should be in the Bible.

The Hebrew Bible has 24 books. This list, or "canon," was affirmed at the Councils of Jamnia in A.D. 90 and 118. The Protestant Old Testament includes exactly the same information, but organized into 39 books. For example, the Hebrew Bible has one book of Samuel, while the Protestant Bible has I and II Samuel—same book, but divided into two parts.

In addition to these 39 books, the Catholic Old Testament includes Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch (includes the Letters of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther. These books were included in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of a different Hebrew canon. Early church fathers, who relied on the Septuagint (they could read Greek, but not Hebrew), sometimes quoted these books as Scripture. The status of the books continued to be debated throughout the Middle Ages

The Orthodox Old Testament is also different from Catholic and Protestant

Have fun with that,

 

[tek]

Have fun with that,

But the amazing thing is that In general, among Christian denominations, the New Testament canon is an agreed-upon list of 27 books, although book order can vary. Even the book order is the same in the Greek Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant tradition

 

[Nautilus]

everytime someone mentions the law this is all that pops into my head...
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cyDsuNx_U[/video]

 

[tek]

lololololololo

 

[Trax]

That means that the Old Testament is also an essential part of Understanding who Jesus is.

Absolutely Correct!!

 

[DavidF]

Many times when the law is spoken of we refer to either the 10 commandments or the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament. While this is a truth there is more to it than that.

Did you know the the entire Old Testament is the law and the Prophets. every story is the law. The prophets pointed to the law. This is important to remember because that means that Every story is a lesson on the character of God and specifically Jesus.

Jesus said:

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The Scriptures here are the Old Testament. Jesus says they testify of Himself. this means every law every story is about Jesus. all of them, Ruth, Esther, Moses, Abraham etc. every story tells us something about Jesus.

This is why we do not have a complete history in the Bible. only the stories that are about Jesus directly are included by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Again Jesus shows that all the Old Testament is to be fulfilled in Jesus.

That means that the Old Testament is also an essential part of Understanding who Jesus is. The Old testament is the larger part of the bible and is in line perfectly with the New.

Blessings.

Yes but the Jews do not consider them all equally. For example, the Torah (Gen, Ex, Lev, Num, Deut) are higher than the rest.

I am so glad you said this. Yes, every story is about Jesus from Gen to Rev.

 

[DavidF]

uhm really? Which Old Testament?


The Protestant Bible, of which the NIV is one version, is seven books shorter than the Bible used by Roman Catholics. But Protestants didn't just take out books; they used a different standard of what should be in the Bible.

The Hebrew Bible has 24 books. This list, or "canon," was affirmed at the Councils of Jamnia in A.D. 90 and 118. The Protestant Old Testament includes exactly the same information, but organized into 39 books. For example, the Hebrew Bible has one book of Samuel, while the Protestant Bible has I and II Samuel—same book, but divided into two parts.

In addition to these 39 books, the Catholic Old Testament includes Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch (includes the Letters of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther. These books were included in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of a different Hebrew canon. Early church fathers, who relied on the Septuagint (they could read Greek, but not Hebrew), sometimes quoted these books as Scripture. The status of the books continued to be debated throughout the Middle Ages

The Orthodox Old Testament is also different from Catholic and Protestant

What about the Shephard of Hermes? Lots of early church father's wanted this book in the Cannon. How about the Dideche - the writings of the twelve apostles. This was definitely considere gospel in the first century.

I even have a 1611 KJV bible and it has more books than the 1812KJV we use today. I wonder who decided to change the bible 18 centuries after Christ? I also have a Jewish bible = reads right to left. Always good to understand all sides of a question.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

The great thing about the New Testament is that the Old Testament is pretty much spelled out for us in the New Testament. So when a new believer reads the New Testament first and the Old Testament last, they understand the Old Testament from the everlasting perspective.

There was, is, and always will be an everlasting law of the everlasting priesthood, and it was in existance before the law of moses/law of the levitical priesthood. The law of moses/law of levitical priesthood helps us to understand the everlasting, and many parts of it are everlasting. But then there's eye for eye and tooth for tooth, instead of turn the other cheak...

Both the old and new testaments are the one needful thing, but I always tell new believers to read the New Testament 3 or 4 times before they read the Old.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

The law is often a mix of confusion, opinion, and which laws are we atill under if any, I hope this helps, as you can argue all you want about the law, moral and ceremonial, and miss why we are still under the righteous requirements of the law!​

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Faith Upholds the Law!​

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! On the contrary, we establish the law. Rom 3:31
If you’re told that Salvation is by Faith and NOT of Works, how does the Law come into play? Simple answer: ‘It Doesn’t’…..at least in your mind. But What is Faith? Is ‘faith without works’ dead? As James says or does the ‘works’ he is speaking of ‘FOLLOW’ Faith. Whereas the Faith comes first. So Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as Righteousness. (Rom4:3)
But what if I also tell you that Abraham WALKED in the STEPS of his faith, doing the DEEDS of faith and thereby OBEYED God? (Rom4:14, John8:39, Heb11:8) Wouldn’t that make faith the following:
A Walk of Faithful Deeds and Obedience! All One in the Same thing. That’s why Faith (real faith) Upholds and Established the law. (Rom13:10) Because it Obeys and Keeps the Commands of Christ! In this the Bible then Makes perfect sense.
As ‘Workers’ together with God, we Work Out our Salvation in fear and trembling, Make our Calling Sure, Run the Race with endurance, Fight the good fight, Holdfast, endure, and obey. It’s no longer necessary for the pastors to explain all these away and convince you Deeds don’t matter. Because the Bible CLEARLY says you will Judged According to your Deeds:
who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Rom2:6-8
(Also Check: Matt12:37, 16:27, Jh5:28-29, 2Cor5:10, 1Pet1:17, Rev2:23, 22:11-14)
Now if Deeds will determine the Outcome of your Salvation (as these passages clearly state) WHY would you embrace a System of Doctrine that teaches otherwise? James plainly says that the ‘Devils also Believe’ James2:19. Meaning they indeed possess Faith! It’s undeniable that they (the devils) possess the SAME faith your Churches Preach as SAVING Faith. It’s the faith of Slothful, Biblical illiterate, lukewarm hypocrites who love the fun and games of their ‘religion’ but loath the Commands of Scripture.
Faith is WALKING in the Spirit, not the flesh. (Rom8:1-4) Thus it fulfills the Righteous requirements of the law and falls in line with the Message of Christ. When asked what must I do to inherit eternal life, He answered in this manner: “KEEP the Commandments!” (Matt19:16-22) Explained further therefore in Romans 8, The Greatest of all Commandments to love God is KEPT by WALKING in the Spirit….again a WORK of Faith With Power! (2Thess1:11) DEEDS and FAITH…..Synonymous! You can’t have one without the other or you’re nothing more than a ‘Devil’ who ‘Believes’.
What they have done inside the System is highly ‘Spiritualize’ the Bible and make simple truths into big mysterious doctrines only the theologians can understand. Thereby they can easily convinced the unlearned their ‘System’ is correct and the Bible actually does teach that your Sins are Covered by Grace, your Imputed Righteous and Eternally Secure. All by merely ‘Believing’ in Jesus! From there it’s easy to explain away all the Direct Commands and Warnings of Scripture. It’s says ‘Obey’ but Really means, HE Obeyed for you. It says ‘Serve’, but really means HE Served in your place. In fact, EVERYTHING Jesus said about Holding fast, enduring to the end, Taking up your cross, denying yourself, counting the cost, is to show you HE DID it all so you don’t have to!

You see how Slick this Message really is and why it’s dubbed ‘Great Swelling Words of Emptiness’ in the Bible. (2Pet2:18) Rather than you Working out your own Salvation, Making your calling Sure, Running the Race with endurance, Patiently Continuing in the faith, JESUS Did it all for you IN ADVANCE! That’s whey Faith can NEVER be associated with Works or Deeds of any sort, no matter What the Bible says. You Remain a Wretched, Chief of Sinners, Convinced that Sin humbles your heart before God, when in reality you’re growing Harder and Harder by the day in rebellion to the truth.

But that’s another discussion entirely, we’ll deal with later. Here we need to understand the Working Dynamic of Saving faith. It’s really VERY Simple: There is a LAW of Faith, Rom3:27, The LAW of Faith is LOVE, Gal5:6, Faith WORKS by Love, And Love Upholds and Fulfills the LAW! Rom13:10.
Without this Working Dynamic, you possess the Faith of Devils. James2:19. That’s why Faith Without Works is Dead and WHY Abraham was Justified by his DEEDS and NOT by FAITH ALONE! Js2:24. www.standingthegap.org

 

[tek]

you can argue all you want about the law, moral and ceremonial, and miss why we are still under the righteous requirements of the law! Faith Upholds the Law!
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! On the contrary, we establish the law. Rom 3:31

So many people misunderstand Rom 3:31 (sigh). If only they read few verses before (sigh) Here is the full passage
Rom 3:27-31Where is boasting then? It is excluded . By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do wethen make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
it’s about establishing the Law of Faith. What Law is that? Here it is: Anyone who believe in Jesus is saved. It’s not about deeds. Just read what I underlined above

 

[zone]

It’s undeniable that they (the devils) possess the SAME faith your Churches Preach as SAVING Faith. It’s the faith of Slothful, Biblical illiterate, lukewarm hypocrites who love the fun and games of their ‘religion’ but loath the Commands of Scripture.


standingthegap

Tommy...please send your mentor the word "IN".

his apostate blog's title should read: Standing IN The Gap.

understand?

also, "Biblical illiterate" should be Biblically illiterate

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i think it may be time to turn the tables on you and your pal skinski, and your kooky leader Mike DeSario.
as appalling as it is, i looked at your stuff all night.
'parently you guys love writing to pastors and stuff to 'expose' their 'theology'. you set them up. and pretend to show forth their 'errors'. what an embarrassment for you guys.

i know a few high profile theologians who are experts in apologetics (they do work ONLINE like you guys...people read their work), who have in all likelihood not yet heard of your weird little cult (which denies every essential of the historic christian faith. y'all are even blasphemers). but i can get them to take a close look. and we'll let those old chips fall where they may, eh?

sooooooooo........it's time standingthegap got a shot at it's own spot in the Hall of Shame of really bad theology.

bye (for now)

 

[Jon4TheCross]

The only laws that changed were the laws that are not eternal from the beginning, and before the beginning.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[clarkthompson]

gotime most people do not know this.

 

[rassteve]

the law was good that it gave us the knowledge of what was wrong with our sinful nature but what it was powerless to do the blood of Christ did do ro 7

 

[Crossfire]

the law was good that it gave us the knowledge of what was wrong with our sinful nature but what it was powerless to do the blood of Christ did do ro 7

If one truly has the Holy Spirit living on the inside of them (as any authentic believer should) and that person has been properly discipled, understanding the how and the why pertaining to "Walking in the Spirit", then they are no longer obligated to fulfill the lusts of his or her sinful nature after salvation. For the true believer in Christ, sin is a choice not a must.

 

[Crossfire]

If one truly has the Holy Spirit living on the inside of them (as any authentic believer should) and that person has been properly discipled, understanding the how and the why pertaining to "Walking in the Spirit", then they are no longer obligated to fulfill the lusts of his or her sinful nature after salvation. For the true believer in Christ, sin is a choice not a must.

God does not require anything from us that He Himself has not already provided for us:

2 Peter 1: 2-10

2 May grace (God’s favor) and peace (which is perfect well-being, all necessary good, all spiritual prosperity, and freedom from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts) be multiplied to you in [the full, personal, precise, and correct] knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

3 For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).

4 By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.

5 For this very reason, adding your diligence [to the divine promises], employ every effort in exercising your faith to develop virtue (excellence, resolution, Christian energy), and in [exercising] virtue [develop] knowledge (intelligence),

6 And in [exercising] knowledge [develop] self-control, and in [exercising] self-control [develop] steadfastness (patience, endurance), and in [exercising] steadfastness [develop] godliness (piety),

7 And in [exercising] godliness [develop] brotherly affection, and in [exercising] brotherly affection [develop] Christian love.

8 For as these qualities are yours and increasingly abound in you, they will keep [you] from being idle or unfruitful unto the [full personal] knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

9 For whoever lacks these qualities is blind, [spiritually] shortsighted, seeing only what is near to him, and has become oblivious [to the fact] that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Because of this, brethren, be all the more solicitous and eager to make sure (to ratify, to strengthen, to make steadfast) your calling and election; for if you do this, you will never stumble or fall.

 

[Laodicea]

The Law of God is a transcript of the character of God.

 

[crossnote]

Gal 2:19 For I, through law, died to law, so that I might live to God.

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brothers, ye also became dead to the law through the body of Christ in order for ye to become to another, to him who was raised from the dead, so that we would bear fruit to God.