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It always makes me smile when some quote Chrit's sermon on the mount to support an argument against the law not realizing He is clarifying how to obey the law.
I would rather say,HE Is magnifying the law to being TRUTH and not just rules and regulations kept, as In,I'm glad I'm not like this sinner....ect....

The words JESUS spoke are Spirit and they are Life.

The law Is spiritual,but we are carnal.

The Pharisee twist the word of GOD and brings It down to the level of the outward man,the flesh.
 
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No I'm not saying that,but I am saying your efforts of the flesh didn't justify you before GOD.



After salvation the person should present their bodies a living sacrifice so that they may prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.
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GOD looks at the heart,man looks at the outward appearances.
Do you see what I mean now with the scriptures
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.



This Is what Paul Is talking about AFTER salvation.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.




GOD Is a Spirit and those that worship him must worship him In spirit and In TRUTH.HIS SPIRIT to our spirit,our spirit to HIS SPIRIT

I know you want to feel like It was all JESUS and I helped a little bit but understand what CHRIST Is the vine and we are the branches,means.

why do you guys deny all of the teachings in Jesus gospel? why do you guys see what the Lord who made the new covenant said, and then deny, omit, ignore act as if itirrelevant?

there is some truth to "God looks at the heart" thats why the gospel is about cleansing your heart beczuse if you have a clean heart, your actions will be right. its a clear teaching of Jesus sin comes from the heart of man, Lust, greed, hate, unforgiveness, imurity, sexual immorality, evil thoughts ect. without the things Jesus taught, said, revealed there is no purification in the gospel. the purification comes from believing Jesus. what justification do any of you guys have to omit the words of Jesus? where in scripture does it teach that even one thing taught by Jesus Christ doesnt apply to His church? let me say also you guys dont simply omit Jesus teachings, but pauls which are the same principles of Jesus. your doctrine only allows you to believe whatever seems unconditional but the issue is, Gods word is too clear and it teaches that you are saved because of Gods Grace, and because you are saved by His grace you are called to live your life for Jesus not yourself anymore. you huys assume grace means no obligation, truthfully grace means you owe God full obligation for WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR YOU. the man who suffered and died, also spoke the wisdom amd truth of God, pure Word is what Jesu spoke and all of the apostles taught His same teachings....you guys are blinded by the false doctrine idea that theres nothing for you to do , in reality, each day because God saved us by Grace, we are to deny our own selfishness, pick up our cross and follow Jesus and His Love, His way of Loving. the gospel of grace as its been distorted is selfish.

there is no teaching in it its doctrine really is " there is no doctrine" Just God erased everything and gave everyone eternal Life. never happened. God sent His son to die to fulfill the death sentance that all sinners owed according to the law of moses, He gave us His doctrine that is eternally valid coming from the Kings mouth, and students of the bible understand that a kings declaration cannot be changed later. yes, no one could have done enough to be saved......Those who are truly saved belong to Jesus Christ, to His will. Those who have been brought from death to life in Christ, have an absolute duty to put the sins to death and put on the garment of righteousness. The bible is a lesson book, God teaching mankind the truth of life, and it is meant 100 percent to be believed consider paul

Jesus " neither do i condemn you"

paul "there is no condemnation for those who are in christ"

Jesus " NOW GO and sin no more"

paul colossians 3:5-8 "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[SUP]b[/SUP] 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."


Dop you guys even realize that paul was teaching behaviors also? that he nebver taught an unconditional salvation that teaches people to rest and not put our whole selves into following Jesus? learning His teachings and walking in trhem? paul taught nothing different and certainly NOTHING that even suggests to ignore Jesus gospel. paul taught repentance and obedience just as all of the new testament does. the fact that God saved us when we were lost without hop. doesnt change anything, it simply makes boasting impossible. because we know woithout Jesus, we are dead. thats all the more reason TO learn Jesus and apply Jesus, we belong to the king. salvation isnt an afterthought, Jesus isnt just someone who said some irrelevant stuff, He is the ONE appointed by God to speak the eternal Words to manking first to the jews, and then those same witnesses took the same message to the world.
 

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"I would say" and "in my opinion," are not exactly passing on the TEacher's teaching,; both are opinions.

Keep in mind not to bury the talent left you by the Master, for when He returns He will expect you have done something with it tto increase it.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and who hear Him, and all who will join them in the future, amen.

Good night from Iberia..............


I would rather say,HE Is magnifying the law to being TRUTH and not just rules and regulations kept, as In,I'm glad I'm not like this sinner....ect....

The words JESUS spoke are Spirit and they are Life.

The law Is spiritual,but we are carnal.

The Pharisee twist the word of GOD and brings It down to the level of the outward man,the flesh.
 
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I know my brethren by the fruit they bear. IYO what I post "sounds like." Thank you for the analysis, but my devotion to God results in my always listening to Jesus Christ first, and attempting my best to follow His example only.

Jesus Christ teaches how to use the law lawfully. This is mentioned in the epistles, that is using the law lawfully. It would be unlawful to exact the law on oneself or others without faith, justice and mercy, as Jesus Christ teaches.

You are telling me to sit down and just be graced and not to act as a willing and faithful servant devoted to His Savior. I am afraid not one who believes Jesus Christ is able to do this.
What If you died Immediately after being born of the Spirit of GOD,would you go to heaven?answer=yes.
 
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I would rather say,HE Is magnifying the law to being TRUTH and not just rules and regulations kept, as In,I'm glad I'm not like this sinner....ect....

The words JESUS spoke are Spirit and they are Life.

The law Is spiritual,but we are carnal.

The Pharisee twist the word of GOD and brings It down to the level of the outward man,the flesh.
is your belief that actions done now on earth, simply dont matter, were already eternally saved we could never do wrong and be judged? that obedience in the spirit is some inward thing that has no fruit? how do you guys ignore scripture understand this its really simple

THIS IS THE LAW and the spirit of the law is evident , the law is like this leviticus 20 :10-13 ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.10“ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.11“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.12“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.13“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


your arguments are ridiculous " jesus was teaching how to obey the law ?" hahaha the law says "stone the sinner" Jesus says " forgive the sinner if they sin against you 100 times and repents forgive them. do no harm to your neighbor whther they sinned or not"


blindness is contagious.

i dont expect anf gogger will ever accepot the truth of scripture you guys truly do have your own special "lens" of understanding. like bizarro world up is down, down is up, im glad God left His own written words otherwise man would have no hope following thier own doctrines to heaven .....if you guys will just accept Gods word and forget the grace lens, youll be better off. in the end denying Gods word, denying Jesus words has its price

John 12 :47-50If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

you guys will never find any real reason in scripture to deny Jesus and His eternal gospel, to do so, has a concequence. according to Jesus own words, and the words of God the Father

acts 3:18-26 "But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’[SUP]a[/SUP]24“Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring ALL PEOPLES ON EARTH will be blessed.’[SUP]b[/SUP] 26When God raised up his servant, he sent him FIRST TO YOU to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”


The same message from the same Jesus, was sent first to the jews, and then to the world. nothing you guys can ever come up with will change whats written in Gods word. you have a wierd idea that Jesus words somehow lost thier authority over His church, yet, my issue is that you have no scripture even suggesting that. and so many saying the opposite. i like many believers, will choose to learn Gods word, trust what His word teaches. and when someone comes up with a new revolution, ill need to see scriptural doctrine to even consider. this gog doctrine has already been exposed. to keep to the gog, omittal of most of scripture has to be. to believe Jesus and His teachings, not one word in the bible needs be omitted or changed. Jesus is Grace, and truth. Grsace doesnt omit the truth, it supplies the spirit to walk by faith in Jesus.
 
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It always makes me smile when some quote Chrit's sermon on the mount to support an argument against the law not realizing He is clarifying how to obey the law.
it make me smile as well, 70 ad. and because of lack of study to the bible.

acts 15 is clearly for a gentile. so why would the jewish converts still follow the requirements of the law of moses. with no temple. humanly, how can they. as oral repentance is for christian believers only( jewish christian converts), jewish believers took animal to temple.

gal 5 the pharisee paul was telling the jewish believers this.

and i laughed some more. with the spiritual thoughts , you could not possably understand, in the carnal mind.

god bless
 
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why do you guys deny all of the teachings in Jesus gospel? why do you guys see what the Lord who made the new covenant said, and then deny, omit, ignore act as if itirrelevant?

there is some truth to "God looks at the heart" thats why the gospel is about cleansing your heart beczuse if you have a clean heart, your actions will be right. its a clear teaching of Jesus sin comes from the heart of man, Lust, greed, hate, unforgiveness, imurity, sexual immorality, evil thoughts ect. without the things Jesus taught, said, revealed there is no purification in the gospel. the purification comes from believing Jesus. what justification do any of you guys have to omit the words of Jesus? where in scripture does it teach that even one thing taught by Jesus Christ doesnt apply to His church? let me say also you guys dont simply omit Jesus teachings, but pauls which are the same principles of Jesus. your doctrine only allows you to believe whatever seems unconditional but the issue is, Gods word is too clear and it teaches that you are saved because of Gods Grace, and because you are saved by His grace you are called to live your life for Jesus not yourself anymore. you huys assume grace means no obligation, truthfully grace means you owe God full obligation for WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR YOU. the man who suffered and died, also spoke the wisdom amd truth of God, pure Word is what Jesu spoke and all of the apostles taught His same teachings....you guys are blinded by the false doctrine idea that theres nothing for you to do , in reality, each day because God saved us by Grace, we are to deny our own selfishness, pick up our cross and follow Jesus and His Love, His way of Loving. the gospel of grace as its been distorted is selfish.

there is no teaching in it its doctrine really is " there is no doctrine" Just God erased everything and gave everyone eternal Life. never happened. God sent His son to die to fulfill the death sentance that all sinners owed according to the law of moses, He gave us His doctrine that is eternally valid coming from the Kings mouth, and students of the bible understand that a kings declaration cannot be changed later. yes, no one could have done enough to be saved......Those who are truly saved belong to Jesus Christ, to His will. Those who have been brought from death to life in Christ, have an absolute duty to put the sins to death and put on the garment of righteousness. The bible is a lesson book, God teaching mankind the truth of life, and it is meant 100 percent to be believed consider paul

Jesus " neither do i condemn you"

paul "there is no condemnation for those who are in christ"

Jesus " NOW GO and sin no more"

paul colossians 3:5-8 "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[SUP]b[/SUP] 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."


Dop you guys even realize that paul was teaching behaviors also? that he nebver taught an unconditional salvation that teaches people to rest and not put our whole selves into following Jesus? learning His teachings and walking in trhem? paul taught nothing different and certainly NOTHING that even suggests to ignore Jesus gospel. paul taught repentance and obedience just as all of the new testament does. the fact that God saved us when we were lost without hop. doesnt change anything, it simply makes boasting impossible. because we know woithout Jesus, we are dead. thats all the more reason TO learn Jesus and apply Jesus, we belong to the king. salvation isnt an afterthought, Jesus isnt just someone who said some irrelevant stuff, He is the ONE appointed by God to speak the eternal Words to manking first to the jews, and then those same witnesses took the same message to the world.
I'm curious to how you would Interpret

Romans 7:14
King James Version(KJV)

14.)For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 

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"I would say" and "in my opinion," are not exactly passing on the TEacher's teaching,; both are opinions.

Keep in mind not to bury the talent left you by the Master, for when He returns He will expect you have done something with it tto increase it.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and who hear Him, and all who will join them in the future, amen.

Good night from Iberia..............
How about this for clear and concise.

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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Rest from what?

Matthew 5:48 [FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Well you can't do that. No matter how much teaching you think you have. You don't have the ability. You can teach a paralyzed person how to play football and he could argue that he learned from the best but it doesn't mean he can do it.

But the Lord Jesus can make you perfect. And that is our hope.
 
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Mighty big statement with no scripture. John said God is love, not grace.
Here's another one you'll enjoy too. All that God is, is expressed in all that He does, and all that God does is expressive of all that He is.
 
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I'm curious to how you would Interpret

Romans 7:14
King James Version(KJV)

14.)For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
i would answer this this way.

one verse is not context the whole. spiritual law v carnal law.

16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"Hebrews 10

if it was the same law, then we could read it. in the bible.

acts 15.

Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.



5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."Acts 15

10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15



28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
 
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IMO,sounds like a mixture of Grace and law.

Give JESUS all the credit,rest In HIM.The fruit will show up without physical effort.
I mean the fruit of the Spirit will be there without straining and then Paul said Inspired by GOD,

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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is your belief that actions done now on earth, simply dont matter, were already eternally saved we could never do wrong and be judged? that obedience in the spirit is some inward thing that has no fruit? how do you guys ignore scripture understand this its really simple

THIS IS THE LAW and the spirit of the law is evident , the law is like this leviticus 20 :10-13 ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.10“ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.11“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.12“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.13“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


your arguments are ridiculous " jesus was teaching how to obey the law ?" hahaha the law says "stone the sinner" Jesus says " forgive the sinner if they sin against you 100 times and repents forgive them. do no harm to your neighbor whther they sinned or not"


blindness is contagious.

i dont expect anf gogger will ever accepot the truth of scripture you guys truly do have your own special "lens" of understanding. like bizarro world up is down, down is up, im glad God left His own written words otherwise man would have no hope following thier own doctrines to heaven .....if you guys will just accept Gods word and forget the grace lens, youll be better off. in the end denying Gods word, denying Jesus words has its price

John 12 :47-50If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

you guys will never find any real reason in scripture to deny Jesus and His eternal gospel, to do so, has a concequence. according to Jesus own words, and the words of God the Father

acts 3:18-26 "But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’[SUP]a[/SUP]24“Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring ALL PEOPLES ON EARTH will be blessed.’[SUP]b[/SUP] 26When God raised up his servant, he sent him FIRST TO YOU to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”


The same message from the same Jesus, was sent first to the jews, and then to the world. nothing you guys can ever come up with will change whats written in Gods word. you have a wierd idea that Jesus words somehow lost thier authority over His church, yet, my issue is that you have no scripture even suggesting that. and so many saying the opposite. i like many believers, will choose to learn Gods word, trust what His word teaches. and when someone comes up with a new revolution, ill need to see scriptural doctrine to even consider. this gog doctrine has already been exposed. to keep to the gog, omittal of most of scripture has to be. to believe Jesus and His teachings, not one word in the bible needs be omitted or changed. Jesus is Grace, and truth. Grsace doesnt omit the truth, it supplies the spirit to walk by faith in Jesus.
Do you obey the law?
 
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I mean the fruit of the Spirit will be there without straining and then Paul said Inspired by GOD,

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

here is a point don t conform to the ways of the world.

walking , donkey ,yak. (bible transport)

walking horse , bike ,car, train ,airplane (transport in 2016)

if you use a car or train or bus. what are you doing lol

(food for thought ,)
 
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"I would say" and "in my opinion," are not exactly passing on the TEacher's teaching,; both are opinions.

Keep in mind not to bury the talent left you by the Master, for when He returns He will expect you have done something with it tto increase it.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and who hear Him, and all who will join them in the future, amen.

Good night from Iberia..............
First,the person has got to be reborn,true?
 
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What If you died Immediately after being born of the Spirit of GOD,would you go to heaven?answer=yes.
yes, thats why the thief on the cross was accepted, but we arent just born again then die. were commanded how to live life by the all mighty God of the univers who gave us life, we gave it away then he sent His Son to die to give it back to us........WE OWE JESUS EVERYTHING
 
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yes, thats why the thief on the cross was accepted, but we arent just born again then die. were commanded how to live life by the all mighty God of the univers who gave us life, we gave it away then he sent His Son to die to give it back to us........WE OWE JESUS EVERYTHING
YES,without JESUS we can do nothing.
 
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yes, thats why the thief on the cross was accepted, but we arent just born again then die. were commanded how to live life by the all mighty God of the univers who gave us life, we gave it away then he sent His Son to die to give it back to us........WE OWE JESUS EVERYTHING
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." Galatians 2:20
 
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IMO - trying to have grace without Jesus is like trying to have water without the wet. They are one and go together. You cannot have one without the other.

2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
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You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on
the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend
you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
While they do go together, just as mercy & grace, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
 
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While they do go together, just as mercy & grace, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

okie dokie...these are great manifestations of God. which He is love. He doesn't have love...He is the very definition of love and expression of love.

Isn't this verse exciting to know how much God loves us because of His great mercy exhibited towards us in Christ?

Ephesians 2:4-7 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,


[SUP]7 [/SUP]
so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.