The Main Reason For So Much Division Among Christians
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Yeah, I didn't mean to offend anyone with what I said, but my main point was too many people do not seek understanding in God's word by asking God. Instead many read books written by other men, or go on the internet, or watch t.v preachers, or believe what is told them by the doctrines of men in certain denominations.
The Lord is the one people should be seeking for understanding, not men. That is also a part of the faith in what Gods say is true, and what He can do if one asks, seeks, and knocks.
Matthew 7:8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
James 1:5-6 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
The Lord is the one people should be seeking for understanding, not men. That is also a part of the faith in what Gods say is true, and what He can do if one asks, seeks, and knocks.
Matthew 7:8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
James 1:5-6 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
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This may be the first time I actually agree with something you said, however......
[h=3]Hebrews 13:17 ESV / 297 helpful votes [/h]Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
[h=3]Hebrews 13:17 ESV / 297 helpful votes [/h]Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
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Somehow, ISIT, I don't think the writer of Hebrews was connecting the leaders he was writing about with Jesus' accusation against the Pharisees. It seems to me these leaders are worthy of sitting under, learning from under the guiding influence and revelation of the Holy Spirit. I honestly don't see how Hebrews 13:17 could be connected back to Matthew 15:14 or 23:16-24.
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God has given some men the gift of pastor teacher. Have you ever really searched one out?
I think it is our duty to find one,I mean really find a man who has the gift and is operating in his gift. That is why we have the word submit in Heb 13:17, we search for the right pastor teacher,when we find one, we submit to his teaching.
Most "pastors" in mainstream christianity are just working men, that collect a pay check. If we step outside of the "dog and pony show" and search for the right pastor teacher, God will send us one. One that is feeding the sheep, as his gift should.
I think it is our duty to find one,I mean really find a man who has the gift and is operating in his gift. That is why we have the word submit in Heb 13:17, we search for the right pastor teacher,when we find one, we submit to his teaching.
Most "pastors" in mainstream christianity are just working men, that collect a pay check. If we step outside of the "dog and pony show" and search for the right pastor teacher, God will send us one. One that is feeding the sheep, as his gift should.
I have a Master who teaches me, why should I put my trust in flesh. 
Matthew 23:8-10 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
Matthew 23:8-10 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
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I think Sirk asks a valid question: What teachings are essential? Have you seen "How to promote unity while acknowledging doctrinal differences"? What would be your take on this post from that thread?
I don't believe Sirk's line of questioning is sincere as is yours. And I don't agree with your views and interpretation of scripture, or how you might promote unity. You cannot force unity by trying to force people to believe in the doctrines of men. True Unity in the Body of Christ is only accomplished by being united in One Spirit, and of One mind in Christ.
If all here were truly born again from above by the Holy Spirit, and had the mind of Christ and Spirit of Truth dwelling in them, there would be no divisions. But this cannot be accomplished by men.
John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
If all here were truly born again from above by the Holy Spirit, and had the mind of Christ and Spirit of Truth dwelling in them, there would be no divisions. But this cannot be accomplished by men.
John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.