The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

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miknik5

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Stop being petulant.
There is no he who holds all things back in Scripture. Nothing to do with me.
If you say so

what do I need to do J7?

the conversation is over with you
we will just have to agree that the two of us do not agree
 
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Yes.

But applying the wheat and the tares parable to that event is problematic when it involves a harvest. Jesus said the field was the world; and so when you harvest anything from the field in taking out of the field to the barn, it is taken out of the world. What is left behind are those tares that had offend and do iniquity for which they are "excommunicated" out of His kingdom to be received into the Father's kingdom which is above. The furnace of fire is in the world when the tares are burned up
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So the event you had referred to is God defending His saints at Jerusalem. They are not being "harvested" in being taken out of the world to the Father's kingdom above.

I see why you would apply the wheat & the tares to that event, but again, it is problematic when the elements of the parable suggests taking the wheat out of the field and thus out of the world.
Not sure if my post is being read the wrong way or not but for clarity's sake...

What is left behind are those tares that had offend and do iniquity for which they are "excommunicated" out of His kingdom to be received into the Father's kingdom which is above.
Those excommunicated out of His kingdom is left in the world while His kingdom that is harvested is taken above.
 

miknik5

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Yes.

But applying the wheat and the tares parable to that event is problematic when it involves a harvest. Jesus said the field was the world; and so when you harvest anything from the field in taking out of the field to the barn, it is taken out of the world. What is left behind are those tares that had offend and do iniquity for which they are "excommunicated" out of His kingdom to be received into the Father's kingdom which is above. The furnace of fire is in the world when the tares are burned up
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So the event you had referred to is God defending His saints at Jerusalem. They are not being "harvested" in being taken out of the world to the Father's kingdom above.

I see why you would apply the wheat & the tares to that event, but again, it is problematic when the elements of the parable suggests taking the wheat out of the field and thus out of the world.
We're already gathered up and seated in the heavenly realms and not of the world even as HE is not of the workd

what has been scattered is already, even now, being gathered up in the BODY of THE SON
 

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A further question is how does deracinating tares also deracinate wheat?

If it was a case of false Christians being killed, I think it would be very positive. After all we are not to be yoked with unbelievers, and we should shun false doctrine.

Conversely if all deceptive bibles were destroyed, it could have an adverse affect, because a very bad bible still contains the witness of Christ, and some measure of the gospel.
 

miknik5

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A further question is how does deracinating tares also deracinate wheat?

If it was a case of false Christians being killed, I think it would be very positive. After all we are not to be yoked with unbelievers, and we should shun false doctrine.

Conversely if all deceptive bibles were destroyed, it could have an adverse affect, because a very bad bible still contains the witness of Christ, and some measure of the gospel.
Positive?
How is positive?

Because they are removed without any further hope?

oh wait, they will be raised up as all in the graves will at the endtimes to be judged


Howver, what would be more positive is that with time, with seed and water, and HIS tilling the soul of their heart, they might be converted


That is more positive
 
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The thread is not about the fictional Trib
Only place people are gathered and burned is after the millennium at the gwt judgement.
 
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the spirit is the wheat, the flesh is the tares, growing side by side.
your life will always reflect the best of times and the worst of times
Tares are persons of the devil,the devil being their father.

In your theory,you have people of the devil living in you.

That is way,way off
 

miknik5

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Only place people are gathered and burned is after the millennium at the gwt judgement.
Yes. I didn't want to "like" your post. It just didn't seem right ro

But yes, I agree with you.
just as the scripture clearly states in both John 5 and Revelation 20

after the 1000 year reign
and after Satan is let loose (once again) to deceive and to gather the "supposed "kings" of the earth" for the great battle
 

miknik5

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Tares are persons of the devil,the devil being their father.

In your theory,you have people of the devil living in you.

That is way,way off
That is already a divided kingdom within oneself
one not able to discern the works wrought in GOD from the works wrought of "another father" who was always a liar and a murderer purpose is to deceive and to steal from GOD what should belong to GOD


The souls of men
 

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I thought you were ignoring me....
Positive?
How is positive?

Because they are removed without any further hope?

oh wait, they will be raised up as all in the graves will at the endtimes to be judged


Howver, what would be more positive is that with time, with seed and water, and HIS tilling the soul of their heart, they might be converted


That is more positive
 

miknik5

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I thought you were ignoring me....
How can I ignore you

i said I wasn't going to discuss 2 Thessalonians 2: 7 with you again

its obvious that we don't agree who the "HE" in that verse represents
 

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Only place people are gathered and burned is after the millennium at the gwt judgement.
After the judgment of natural Israel?

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 

miknik5

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After the judgment of natural Israel?

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
psalm 23:3/Romans 10:11
 

miknik5

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Look up these scriptures:

anyone who hopes in HIM ____________________
 

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well debating in a discussion can have one grow in spirit as well as "learn" more about each other,so that one can perhaps discern whom is a pretender and whom is contender for God,as the subject is considered.
What is with the "pretender and contender" It is what Jesus Tells us...All one has to do is read it as a young Child would read "See Jane RUN".

I think you Joefizz simply wants to argue. It is ok to argue with me or others on this forum over something that is NOT already defined but to argue with WHO.....WHO.....Jesus...then Jesus wins every time and it makes those who argue against His WORDS look like FOOLs.....
 
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The meaning of the Parable is exactly that which Jesus said it was
 

J7

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Depends what you mean.

When Jesus had finished he asked the disciples:
(51 Jesus saith unto them), Have ye understood all these things?

thereby indicating that all the parables here form a collective whole, so you cannot just take these parables in isolation. (Well you can, but you will miss the full picture).

When you read them alongside each other, then it gets more interesting still.

(In a sense all the parables about the Kingdom of heaven also form a collective picture, but that is not quite what I am saying here; here Jesus gives various seed parables, and these form a collective whole, along with the other two parables here).
 
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J7

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I don't know why this causes so much hostility. I kind of thought it was obvious:
Matthew 22 22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables

I am simply applying the same logic to parables as we apply to scripture, by seeing all the parables as a whole, as a body of thought, a kind of meta scripture, and then cross referencing within the parables.
 
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Depends what you mean.

When Jesus had finished he asked the disciples:
(51 [FONT=&]Jesus saith unto them), Have ye understood all these things?

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[FONT=&]thereby indicating that all the parables here form a collective whole, so you cannot just take these parables in isolation. (Well you can, but you will miss the full picture).

When you read them alongside each other, then it gets more interesting still.

(In a sense all the parables about the Kingdom of heaven also form a collective picture, but that is not quite what I am saying here; here Jesus gives various seed parables, and these form a collective whole, along with the other two parables here).[/FONT]
Trolling are we?