The natural person

[paulsfam4]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Karraster]

1 Corinthians 11:31 "But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged."

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

This is nice but what does it mean to be the "natural person"? For example, the world knows that it is "natural" for a man to be with a woman, but what of homosexuality? Is this natural or does it take a spiritual mind to understand this?

 

[crossnote]

This is nice but what does it mean to be the "natural person"? For example, the world knows that it is "natural" for a man to be with a woman, ...

give it another three years or so and your 'natural' union by the world's standards will be deemed ...'dysfunctional'.

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

give it another three years or so and your 'natural' union by the world's standards will be deemed ...'dysfunctional'.

It has nothing to do with homosexuality, but of our loveless society and systems towards one another.

 

[Jda016]

give it another three years or so and your 'natural' union by the world's standards will be deemed ...'dysfunctional'.

So true!

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter" (Isaiah 5:20).

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

So true!

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter" (Isaiah 5:20).

Is it good to save a life or to take one? We would be wise to understand these verses we quote more fully.

 

[posthuman]

This is nice but what does it mean to be the "natural person"? For example, the world knows that it is "natural" for a man to be with a woman, but what of homosexuality? Is this natural or does it take a spiritual mind to understand this?

the word translated "natural" here:

ψυχικός (G5591) nominative, singular
sensitive, i.e. animate (in distinction on the one hand from G4152 (ψυχικός), which is the higher or renovated nature; and on the other from G5446 (ψυχικός), which is the lower or bestial nature)

1. of or belonging to breath
   1. having the nature and characteristics of the breath
      1. the principal of animal life, which men have in common with the brutes
   2. governed by breath
      1. the sensuous nature with its subjection to appetite and passion

 

[dcontroversal]

give it another three years or so and your 'natural' union by the world's standards will be deemed ...'dysfunctional'.

and seems to be already in certain circles.....

 

[p_rehbein]

natural............carnal............earthy............physical...........

right?

then there is the Spiritual................

makes sense to me, but then...........

 

[p_rehbein]

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[crossnote]

It has nothing to do with homosexuality, but of our loveless society and systems towards one another.

I never mentioned homosexuality...you did (post#3). My point was that in a few short years the 'natural' union between a man and a woman will be considered dysfunctional.

 

[Wildflower]

The natural man is dead.


2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead.

 

[Saint_Cecilia]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

- I Corinthians 2:13-14

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

I never mentioned homosexuality...you did (post#3). My point was that in a few short years the 'natural' union between a man and a woman will be considered dysfunctional.

... How so? There are 7 billion of us.

 

[paulsfam4]

this is about our spirit not sex.