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Originally Posted by bluto
Ok question here is what Genesis 17:1,2 says, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, THE LORD APPEARED to Abram AND SAID TO HIM, "I am God Almighty, Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish MY COVENANT between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly."
Now, you said this: "The Apostle John, too, later writes that no man HAS seen God, which indicates that He has used different angels and IMAGES to “appear” and represent Himself to man." Where does it say at Genesis 17 in these two verses I quoted or in fact in the whole chapter and angel appeared to Abram? Secondly, Jesus Himself said, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father." So it cannot be God the Father who appeared to Abram so who was it that physically appeared to him?
In Him,
bluto
Now, you said this: "The Apostle John, too, later writes that no man HAS seen God, which indicates that He has used different angels and IMAGES to “appear” and represent Himself to man." Where does it say at Genesis 17 in these two verses I quoted or in fact in the whole chapter and angel appeared to Abram? Secondly, Jesus Himself said, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father." So it cannot be God the Father who appeared to Abram so who was it that physically appeared to him?
In Him,
bluto
The next biblical reference that gives insight as to who God is, is an account so strange that nearly EVERY PERSON ON EARTH TODAY has HEARD of it!
Years later -
Gen 22 : 2 - Then God said, “ Take your son, your only son, whom you love — Isaac — and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
There are no details telling us the anguish Abraham must have felt - only that he didn’t hesitate, getting up early in the morning , travelling to Moriah , and was about to slaughter his ONLY - BEGOTTEN SON as was commonly done for food & sacrifice, when an angel stops him!
Later, the apostle Paul said THIS about the event-
Heb 11:17- By faith Abraham offered Isaac, when he was tempted ; and he offered the one begotten, which had taken the promises ;
18 - to whom it was said, For in Isaac the seed shall be called to thee.
19 - For he deemed, that God is mighty to raise him , yea , from death ; wherefore he took him also into a parable. - Wycliffe
19- He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back.- ESV)
“Parable”, “Figurative Way”, “Illustrative Way”, as different translations put it.
Illustrative of WHAT?
It is not a co-incidence that Jehovah chose to refer to Jesus as His “Only-Begotten Son”!
The pattern was foreshadowed by that event, and EVERYONE knew what an
“only-begotten son” WAS, until the clergy got a hold of it, convincing all it just meant the Second God of the Trinity.
NOTHING in scripture even HINTS at that.
Years later -
Gen 22 : 2 - Then God said, “ Take your son, your only son, whom you love — Isaac — and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
There are no details telling us the anguish Abraham must have felt - only that he didn’t hesitate, getting up early in the morning , travelling to Moriah , and was about to slaughter his ONLY - BEGOTTEN SON as was commonly done for food & sacrifice, when an angel stops him!
Later, the apostle Paul said THIS about the event-
Heb 11:17- By faith Abraham offered Isaac, when he was tempted ; and he offered the one begotten, which had taken the promises ;
18 - to whom it was said, For in Isaac the seed shall be called to thee.
19 - For he deemed, that God is mighty to raise him , yea , from death ; wherefore he took him also into a parable. - Wycliffe
19- He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back.- ESV)
“Parable”, “Figurative Way”, “Illustrative Way”, as different translations put it.
Illustrative of WHAT?
It is not a co-incidence that Jehovah chose to refer to Jesus as His “Only-Begotten Son”!
The pattern was foreshadowed by that event, and EVERYONE knew what an
“only-begotten son” WAS, until the clergy got a hold of it, convincing all it just meant the Second God of the Trinity.
NOTHING in scripture even HINTS at that.
You know question your really a piece of work becasue you are so Biblically ignorant. First of all Abraham "DID NOT PERCEIVE" any thing. The text of Genesis 17:1,2 specfically states that the Lord appeared to Abraham and the Lord who appeared to him claimed to be God Almighty.
Now, do you know why I know that the Lord God physically appeared to Abraham? Of course you don't know so why am I asking you? You also don't know anything about "context." Look what Genesis 17:22 says, "And when He/God finished talking with him/Abraham, GOD WENT UP FROM ABRAHAM." In other words God went straight up North before Abraham's eyes.
And quit making up things like this stupid remark, "Not three Godmen." There aren't three godmen" God the Father is not a man or a godman for the cannot be seen. And neither is the Holy Spirit a godman because he cannot be seen either. So again, stop it with the dumb childish remarks.
In Him,
bluto
Now, do you know why I know that the Lord God physically appeared to Abraham? Of course you don't know so why am I asking you? You also don't know anything about "context." Look what Genesis 17:22 says, "And when He/God finished talking with him/Abraham, GOD WENT UP FROM ABRAHAM." In other words God went straight up North before Abraham's eyes.
And quit making up things like this stupid remark, "Not three Godmen." There aren't three godmen" God the Father is not a man or a godman for the cannot be seen. And neither is the Holy Spirit a godman because he cannot be seen either. So again, stop it with the dumb childish remarks.
In Him,
bluto
Originally Posted by valiant
So was Abraham's only begotten son of the same nature as his father?
In the same way the only Son is of the same nature as the Father,
Thank you for proving it.
In the same way the only Son is of the same nature as the Father,
Thank you for proving it.
Are you not a spirit being? Oh I forgot you are not, you are a Jehovah's Witness.
An angel is a spirit being, but he would not be called the only begotten Son.
Do you not think that GOD is unlike ALL other beings,?. Only One Who is God can be called the Father's only beloved son.
My church? You don't know what my church is. You assume.
I teach that the Son (Who became Jesus) is both God and man, both above (Heb 1) and below (Phil 2) the angels. In His Godhood He is of the same nature as the Father. As man He has the same resurrected body as we will have. That is the wonder of the incarnation.
If you want to support your doctrine with English, you may run into issues. But, here, you have even posted the transliterated Hebrew.
Do you see that little word "echad?" It means "one in a plurality." It is not the normal word for one in Hebrew. It is the same word in the following Scripture.
"When they came to the valley of Eshcol, they cut down from there a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they carried it on a staff between two men, as well as some of the pomegranates and the figs." Numbers 13:23 NET
It is not used for a single thing, but for a group, which still remains one. So, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is "one in a plurality."
In other words one = Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
And you are a liar and don't know Hebrew! Echad means one in a plurality, as I showed above.
I have studied Hebrew, but you might want to talk to Marc about this. He has studied Hebrew from his youth, and he also posted that echad is one in a plurality another time this heresy of Jesus not being God came up.
In Genesis 1, the term Elohim is used, which is plural Gods or Spirits.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Gen 1:26
In Genesis 2, the Spirits are no longer referred unto as Elohim but LORD God. Thus, they are joined together as one, yet the Light and the Word are still Spirits.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. John 8
And God (Elohim) said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Ex 3:14
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am (Word) from above: ye are of this world; I am (invisible Light) not of this world. John 8:23
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Gen 1:26
In Genesis 2, the Spirits are no longer referred unto as Elohim but LORD God. Thus, they are joined together as one, yet the Light and the Word are still Spirits.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. John 8
And God (Elohim) said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Ex 3:14
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am (Word) from above: ye are of this world; I am (invisible Light) not of this world. John 8:23
You know question your really a piece of work becasue you are so Biblically ignorant. First of all Abraham "DID NOT PERCEIVE" any thing. The text of Genesis 17:1,2 specfically states that the Lord appeared to Abraham and the Lord who appeared to him claimed to be God Almighty.
Now, do you know why I know that the Lord God physically appeared to Abraham? Of course you don't know so why am I asking you? You also don't know anything about "context." Look what Genesis 17:22 says, "And when He/God finished talking with him/Abraham, GOD WENT UP FROM ABRAHAM." In other words God went straight up North before Abraham's eyes.
And quit making up things like this stupid remark, "Not three Godmen." There aren't three godmen" God the Father is not a man or a godman for the cannot be seen. And neither is the Holy Spirit a godman because he cannot be seen either. So again, stop it with the dumb childish remarks.
In Him,
bluto
Now, do you know why I know that the Lord God physically appeared to Abraham? Of course you don't know so why am I asking you? You also don't know anything about "context." Look what Genesis 17:22 says, "And when He/God finished talking with him/Abraham, GOD WENT UP FROM ABRAHAM." In other words God went straight up North before Abraham's eyes.
And quit making up things like this stupid remark, "Not three Godmen." There aren't three godmen" God the Father is not a man or a godman for the cannot be seen. And neither is the Holy Spirit a godman because he cannot be seen either. So again, stop it with the dumb childish remarks.
In Him,
bluto
Unlike you, I took the time to check what the Hebrew word translates as "appeared" means, since NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD- even tho you deny that- despite Moses, John and Jesus saying that.
Then you not only ignore the scriptures- but ignore what the word more accurately means.
How churchy...
Questiion,
May I ask a question?
You say you're 24, but in your profile, you say you were saved in 1970?
I admit, I'm no math expert...
But somehow, that just doesn't add up. (Sorry if someone has asked this already but I'm late to the thread and just noticed this.)
How can we take you seriously about being equipped enough to teach us "the truth"... when you claim to have been saved 23 years before you were supposedly born?
(On second thought--that might explain a few things.)
May I ask a question?
You say you're 24, but in your profile, you say you were saved in 1970?
I admit, I'm no math expert...
But somehow, that just doesn't add up. (Sorry if someone has asked this already but I'm late to the thread and just noticed this.)
How can we take you seriously about being equipped enough to teach us "the truth"... when you claim to have been saved 23 years before you were supposedly born?
(On second thought--that might explain a few things.)