The prodigal Son - How does his father describe him

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BeyondET

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PeterJens said:
The story of the prodigal son is the man who says he does not like
his fathers household, and wants money to go and live his own way.

So off he goes.
He later returns, humbled and desires just a job.

His father says

For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found
Luke 15:24

The story was told to show the father attitude to the lost son.
The son is dead, without hope, but now has been found and has a future.

So the analogy is we are born as children of our heavenly father and go out
into the world with what we have to do what we like without regard to Him.

We are doomed to judgement, but if we seek Him out, he will take us in
and treat us as long lost sons, who have returned home.

Some may have used the parable to also talk about those who loose faith,
walk away and some return later to faith.

They want to say of all these people they are still saved.
Nothing in the parable would suggest that, just that they came initially
from the Fathers home.
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i haven't read in scripture where the prodigal Son says he didn't like his father household, only that the son was impatient in receiving his inherits and ask for his share, the Father gladly gave him his share and wished him well on his journey.

Upon the prodigal son return the other son was upset and in Luke 15:24 the father is speaking to that other son.

there is scripture that says the son is the same son as before he left, the prodigal son ask for a servent job upon returning he felt ashamed for what he had done and didn't think he deserved to be called a son of the father but the father says no your still my son that hasn't changed.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
i haven't read in scripture where the prodigal Son says he didn't like his father household, only that the son was impatient in receiving his inherits and ask for his share, the Father gladly gave him his share and wished him well on his journey.

Upon the prodigal son return the other son was upset and in Luke 15:24 the father is speaking to that other son.

there is scripture that says the son is the same son as before he left, the prodigal son ask for a servent job upon returning he felt ashamed for what he had done and didn't think he deserved to be called a son of the father but the father says no your still my son that hasn't changed.
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Amen, Everything think the point is about the so who left. WHen the onus is placed on the son who stayed behind, and his anger,
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen, Everything think the point is about the so who left. WHen the onus is placed on the son who stayed behind, and his anger,
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I agree and the other son that stayed on the farm, IMO is similier to the workers in the field who didn't like that others get paid the same for just a hours worth of work.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Good points. Who was the one who valued the fathers love and faithfulness the most? The son who had remained at home, or the prodigal?

He who is forgiven much, loves much.
 
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lastofall

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The entire chapter is about us repenting and owning our sins, otherwise we will be lost but not found, and dead and not alive.
 
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FreeNChrist

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lastofall said:
The entire chapter is about us repenting and owning our sins, otherwise we will be lost but not found, and dead and not alive.
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Actually, it's all about grace.

“You’re worried about permissiveness—about the way the preaching of grace seems to say it’s okay to do all kinds of terrible things as long as you just walk in afterward and take the free gift of God’s forgiveness… While you and I may be worried about seeming to give permission, Jesus apparently wasn’t. He wasn’t afraid of giving the prodigal son a kiss instead of a lecture, a party instead of probation; and he proved that by bringing in the elder brother at the end of the story and having him raise pretty much the same objections you do. He’s angry about the party. He complains that his father is lowering standards and ignoring virtue—that music, dancing, and a fattened calf are, in effect, just so many permissions to break the law. And to that, Jesus has the father say only one thing: “Cut that out! We’re not playing good boys and bad boys anymore. Your brother was dead and he’s alive again. The name of the game from now on is resurrection, not bookkeeping.”

“Grace is the celebration of life, relentlessly hounding all the non-celebrants in the world. It is a floating, cosmic bash shouting it’s way through the streets of the universe, flinging the sweetness of its cassations (music) to every window, pounding at every door in a hilarity beyond all liking and happening, until the prodigals come out at last and dance, and the elder brothers finally take their fingers out of their ears.”

Robert Farrar Capon
 
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BeyondET

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lastofall said:
The entire chapter is about us repenting and owning our sins, otherwise we will be lost but not found, and dead and not alive.
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IMO, it's more than just repenting and owning mistakes.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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lastofall said:
The entire chapter is about us repenting and owning our sins, otherwise we will be lost but not found, and dead and not alive.
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actually it is about grace, and not thinking we deserve things when we in reality deserve nothing, And how there is a party in heaven one one of the lost children returns to his fathers arms.. where he belongs.
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
actually it is about grace, and not thinking we deserve things when we in reality deserve nothing, And how there is a party in heaven one one of the lost children returns to his fathers arms.. where he belongs.
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amazing how grace poured out to the prodigal son, before during and after his experience, :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
amazing how grace poured out to the prodigal son, before during and after his experience, :)
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Amen, when you think he deserved judgment, before during and after he left (the thought he even thought of leaving proves he was unworthy)
 
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reneweddaybyday

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The parables in Luke 15 were directed toward the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus received sinners and ate with them (Luke 15:1-2 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.)

Luke 15:7 and 10 both indicate there is great joy in heaven over one sinner who repents. In the parable in Luke 15:11-32, both sons were sinners and fell short. It is the father who rejoiced at the return of his son.

In the parable of the 100 sheep, the owner went out searching for the one lost sheep, placed the lost sheep on his shoulders and carried it home. Then rejoiced with his neighbors over finding the sheep.

Likewise, in the parable of the 10 coins, the owner searched diligently till she found it. She then rejoiced with her neighbors.

In the parable of the forgiving father, no one went searching for the son who left. The son returned of his own accord and was welcomed back by his father. There was rejoicing at the return of the son by all but the brother who stayed home. And Luke 15:7 tells us there is joy in heaven over one sinner who repents more than over 99 just persons who need no repentance.

I am sure the publicans and sinners who heard the parables could identify with the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the younger son. It was probably very healing for them to hear the care and concern over one who is lost, as well as the rejoicing over those who are found.

The pharisees/scribes? The message probably went right over their heads.



Interestingly, the brother was the elder son and held the birthright. As the younger, the son who left knew his older brother would receive all he was entitled to as the eldest. (See here for more info on the birthright: Birthright Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary).
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
The parables in Luke 15 were directed toward the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus received sinners and ate with them (Luke 15:1-2 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.)

Luke 15:7 and 10 both indicate there is great joy in heaven over one sinner who repents. In the parable in Luke 15:11-32, both sons were sinners and fell short. It is the father who rejoiced at the return of his son.

In the parable of the 100 sheep, the owner went out searching for the one lost sheep, placed the lost sheep on his shoulders and carried it home. Then rejoiced with his neighbors over finding the sheep.

Likewise, in the parable of the 10 coins, the owner searched diligently till she found it. She then rejoiced with her neighbors.

In the parable of the forgiving father, no one went searching for the son who left. The son returned of his own accord and was welcomed back by his father. There was rejoicing at the return of the son by all but the brother who stayed home. And Luke 15:7 tells us there is joy in heaven over one sinner who repents more than over 99 just persons who need no repentance.

I am sure the publicans and sinners who heard the parables could identify with the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the younger son. It was probably very healing for them to hear the care and concern over one who is lost, as well as the rejoicing over those who are found.

The pharisees/scribes? The message probably went right over their heads.

Interestingly, the brother was the elder son and held the birthright. As the younger, the son who left knew his older brother would receive all he was entitled to as the eldest. (See here for more info on the birthright: Birthright Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary).
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I see that is true even to this day about what you wrote in brown above.
 
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