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Really? You want to go with that? That sounds like desperation. I'm not reading an antichrist Bible, but am looking at all of the translations and the interlinear. The KJV is not the best translation, but the Greek from which it is derived is better. It is also good to compare the other major translations. We have much better translations that the KJV.

By the way, the Interlinear says "He shall confirm the covenant with many," i.e. he's the one making the covenant.
You are right. The KJV1611 is not without problems. We shouldn't worship a version of the Bible; we should only worship Jesus Christ. All versions of the Bible have the central gospel message intact. There is no such thing as an antichrist Bible unless you're referring to the Watchtower version. Like I said, it is foolishness to push a version of the Bible; this is not preaching Christ; don't listen to what he says about that.
 
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This is what I get from blue letter bible.

גָּבַר gâbar, gaw-bar'; a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently:—exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more (strength), strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.
So, do you see anything in that definition above that says that "He" confirms an already existing covenant? What it actually says is that, "He makes a firm covenant."

Also, all of the definitions that I listed are from Strong's and Word Helps. The information I provided says basically the same that you listed.
 
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Really? You want to go with that? That sounds like desperation. I'm not reading an antichrist Bible, but am looking at all of the translations and the interlinear. The KJV is not the best translation, but the Greek from which it is derived is better. It is also good to compare the other major translations. We have much better translations that the KJV.

By the way, the Interlinear says "He shall confirm the covenant with many," i.e. he's the one making the covenant.
It's not desperation it's the truth. When people reject the word of God, God sends lying prophets.
 

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The KJV1611 is not without problems. We shouldn't worship a version of the Bible; we should only worship Jesus Christ. All versions of the Bible have the central gospel message intact. There is no such thing as an antichrist Bible unless you're referring to the Watchtower version. Like I said, it is foolishness to push a version of the Bible; this is not preaching Christ; don't listen to what he says about that.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, which is why I compare most of the major translations and the interlinear, also looking up the definitions of the words in the Greek and Hebrew. His reference to "an antichrist Bible" is just an attempt to discredit what I am trying to get him to understand. That ruler, the antichrist, will be the one to establish that seven year agreement and he is also the one who breaks it, causing the sacrifices and offerings to cease.
 
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So, do you see anything in that definition above that says that "He" confirms an already existing covenant? What it actually says is that, "He makes a firm covenant."

Also, all of the definitions that I listed are from Strong's and Word Helps. The information I provided says basically the same that you listed.
גָּבַר gâbar, gaw-bar'; a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently:—exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more (strength), strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.
 
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It's not desperation it's the truth. When people reject the word of God, God sends lying prophets.
The KJV1611 is not any better than the ESV; in fact, the KJV has more translation errors. Don't get hung up on any version of the Bible dude. You'll be wasting valuable spiritual energy for nothing.
 
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The KJV1611 is not any better than the ESV; in fact, the KJV has more translation errors. Don't get hung up on any version of the Bible dude. You'll be wasting valuable spiritual energy for nothing.
I would rather keep the discussion on the end times... you can believe whatever you want about the bibles.
 

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It's not desperation it's the truth. When people reject the word of God, God sends lying prophets.
You need to look at the Greek, which is where most translations come from. You need to do deeper studies and compare the translations.

That last seven years will take place just as I proclaimed it would according to scripture.

The Lord will gather the church

The Ruler, that antichrist, will make his seven year covenant with Israel

Israel will build their temple and begin to make offerings and sacrifices

In the middle of the seven, the antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, causing the sacrifices and offerings to cease

He will have the abomination set up in the holy place within the temple

The woman/Israel will flee out into the desert where she will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3.5 years

After the 7th bowl has been poured out the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and the church with him riding on white horses and wearing fine linen, white and clean, which the bride will have received at the wedding of the Lamb in heaven as demonstrated in Rev.19:6-8.

The beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and Satan will be thrown into and restricted in the Abyss during Christ thousand year reign.

At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released for one last rebellion and after will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown a thousand years earlier.

The great white throne judgment will take place for all of the unrighteous dead

New heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem

Eternity ......................................................................................................>
 
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I would rather keep the discussion on the end times... you can believe whatever you want about the bibles.
Of course, that goes without saying. No need to mention it. I was addressing you because you were pushing the KJV1611 as the only word of God; so I addressed it.
 
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You need to look at the Greek, which is where most translations come from. You need to do deeper studies and compare the translations.
Excellent advice. I hope he does it. That would be the cure.
 

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You are right. The KJV1611 is not without problems. We shouldn't worship a version of the Bible; we should only worship Jesus Christ. All versions of the Bible have the central gospel message intact. There is no such thing as an antichrist Bible unless you're referring to the Watchtower version. Like I said, it is foolishness to push a version of the Bible; this is not preaching Christ; don't listen to what he says about that.
What are you talking about Worshipping a version. As far as I am concerned, the only ones that come close to that are the KJV ONLY people. I had one of them tell me the KJV is the only GOD inspired Translation. What they do not even understand is the KJV1611 was not a TRANSLATION, it was only a PARAHRASE from earlier English Translations with KNOWN ERRORS. They did not go back to the orinigal language manuscripts to correct the text, they used the LATIN Translation as their proof Text. ALL OF THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL KJV 1611 Preface.

I READ the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV twice and that is EXTREMELY HARD wading through all those OLD ENGLISH EXPRESSIONS. They admitted that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions. I think you will find KJV Only People have put the KJV on WAY TOO HIGH OF A PEDISTAL. They admitted they were paraphrasing, correcting some KNOWN ERRORS, but some of the UNKNOWN ERRORS ARE STILL THERE.
Here, I have pulled some excerpts out for you:



Original 1611 KJV PREFACE

The Translators To The Reader

Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
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But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .

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Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the
Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint
Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King
Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if
we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us.

{The very same thing many KJO Believers want to do to MODERN Translations.}
For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us:
But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm




 
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The verb gabar in the transitive means to make strong, to make firm, to confirm.

A covenant is an agreement or contract.

What it really means is:

"to enforce the terms stipulated in the contract"

Like if you had a debt to me - "After 28 days, if you have not paid the initial outlay on the loan, with interest, I have the power to come to your house, and remove goods"

So I would come and enforce the terms of the contract.

So it clearly means that he will enforce (the terms of) the Mosaic Covenant.

That is why everything is in sevens, because those are the terms of the Mosaic Contract - Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28
 

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What covenant will the antichrist be confirming?

Covenant, is also what the Old Testament occationally called a PEACE TREATY. Do a search for the word COVENANT in you Bible software, you will find it.


Daniel 9:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Clearly, this must be understood as sweeping to the end of Gentile power and the time of Antichrist right before Christ’s return. Summing up, the first three are fulfilled in principle at Christ’s First Coming, in full at His return. The last three complete the plan at His Second Advent.
9:27 Then. This is surely the end of the age, the Second Advent judgment, because the bringing in of righteousness did not occur seven years after the death of the Messiah, nor did the destruction of Jerusalem fit the seven-year period (occurring thirty-seven years later). This is the future seven-year period which ends with sin’s final judgment and Christ’s reign of righteousness; i.e., the return of Christ and the establishment of His rule. These seven years constitute the seventieth week of Daniel. he shall confirm. He is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chs. 2; 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future Tribulation period of “one week,” i.e., the final seven years of verse 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a seven-year covenant, his own pact with Israel, that will actually turn out to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the “little horn” of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24-26, and the evil leader found in NT prophecy (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess. 2:3-10; Rev. 13:1-10). That he is in the future, even after Christ’s First Advent, is shown by: (1) Matthew 24:15; (2) the time references that match (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and (3) the end extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1-3) and Revelation 11:2; 12:14; 13:5. middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the seventieth week of years, i.e., seven years leading to Christ’s Second Coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and one-half years of Tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5, called “Great Tribulation,” cf. Matt. 24:21) as a period when God’s wrath intensifies. abominations... one who makes desolate. The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God’s presence there (cf. 1 Kin. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Matt. 24:15). See note on 11:31. the consummation. God permits this tribulation during the Antichrist’s persecutions and then ultimately triumphs by judging the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer. 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev. 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Matt. 13:41-43).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

9:26b. The prophecy continues with a description of the judgment that would come on the generation that rejected the Messiah. The city which contains the sanctuary, that is, Jerusalem, would be destroyed by the people of the ruler who will come. The ruler who will come is that final head of the Roman Empire, the little horn of 7:8. It is significant that the people of the ruler, not the ruler himself, will destroy Jerusalem. Since he will be the final Roman ruler, the people of that ruler must be the Romans themselves. This, then, is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem about which Christ spoke in His ministry.

When the leaders of the nation registered their rejection of Christ by attributing His power to Beelzebub, the prince of the demons (Matt. 12:24), Christ warned that if they persisted in that view they would be guilty of sin for which there would be no forgiveness (Matt. 12:31-32). He also warned the nation that Jerusalem would be destroyed by Gentiles (Luke 21:24), that it would be desolate (Matt. 23:38), and that the destruction would be so complete that not one stone would be left on another (Matt. 24:2). This destruction was accomplished by Titus in a.d. 70 when he destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews. But that invasion, awesome as it was, did not end the nation's sufferings, for war, Gabriel said, would continue until the end. Even though Israel was to be set aside, she would continue to suffer until the prophecies of the 70 "sevens" were completely fulfilled. Her sufferings span the entire period from the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d. 70 to Jerusalem's deliverance from Gentile dominion at the Second Advent of Christ.
9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.
A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).
The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.
This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th "seven." After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world's rightful king and god and as Israel's prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.
9:27b. Daniel was told that "the ruler who will come" (v. 26) will place abominations on a wing of the temple. Christ referred to this incident: "You [will] see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). John wrote that the false prophet will set up an image to this ruler and that the world will be compelled to worship it (Rev. 13:14-15). But then his end will come (the end that is decreed is poured out on him). With his false prophet he will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns to the earth (Rev. 19:20; cf. Dan. 7:11, 26).
This covenant could not have been made or confirmed by Christ at His First Advent, as amillenarians teach, because: (a) His ministry did not last seven years, (b) His death did not stop sacrifices and offerings, (c) He did not set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). Amillenarians suggest that Christ confirmed (in the sense of fulfilling) the Abrahamic Covenant but the Gospels give no indication He did that in His First Advent.
As stated, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel at the beginning of the second half of the 70th "seven," that is, it will be broken for three and one-half years. This is called "a time, times, and half a time" (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14). The fact that this is the same as the three and one-half years, which in turn are equated with 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6) and with 42 months (Rev. 11:2; 13:5), means that in Jewish reckoning each month has 30 days and each year 360 days. This confirms the 360-day Jewish year used in the calculations in the chart, "The 483 Years in the Jewish and Gregorian Calendars" (near Dan. 9:26a). Since the events in the 69 sevens (vv. 24-26) were fulfilled literally, the 70th "seven," yet unfulfilled, must likewise be fulfilled literally.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
 
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What are you talking about Worshipping a version. As far as I am concerned, the only ones that come close to that are the KJV ONLY people. I had one of them tell me the KJV is the only GOD inspired Translation. What they do not even understand is the KJV1611 was not a TRANSLATION, it was only a PARAHRASE from earlier English Translations with KNOWN ERRORS. They did not go back to the orinigal language manuscripts to correct the text, they used the LATIN Translation as their proof Text. ALL OF THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL KJV 1611 Preface.
What do you mean and what are you talking about? You should go back read my post again carefully. You are just paraphrasing what I said, lol. I am saying the KJV only people have made an idol of the KJV1611 version. You are really agreeing with me, and yet you post as if you don't agree. It is funny.
 
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Covenant, is also what the Old Testament occationally called a PEACE TREATY. Do a search for the word COVENANT in you Bible software, you will find it.


Daniel 9:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”
You quote the Dallas Seminary and various other institutes, but really these are places of very dubious merit.

Jesus was absolutely explicit that his disciples, the Church of the 1st Century in Jerusalem, would see the desolating sacrilege spoken of in Daniel 9:27, prophesied to occur in the last week.

See Matthew 24:15 & Daniel 9:27.

Therefore it is absolutely 100% proven that the last week occurred in that time period.

To suggest otherwise is not just very poor bible interpretation; when it comes from a mouthpiece like the Dallas Seminary, it is very serious false teaching. They have a responsibility and they will be judged for such false teaching blinding and confusing millions. Sorry: God's Word says so.

James 3
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
 
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Luke 4:18-19 KJV
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Does anybody know if the time between Jesus reading the above and the triumphal entry can be known from the bible?
 

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You need to look at the Greek, which is where most translations come from. You need to do deeper studies and compare the translations.
The original Greek means 'make strong a covenant' not 'make a strong covenant', therefore 'confirm a covenant'. Only God could confirm His covenant. Furthermore in Daniel 'covenant' always refers to God's covenant.

That last seven years will take place just as I proclaimed it would according to scripture
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The final seven sevens will follow on immediately after the sixty nine sevens. This is axiomatic.

The Lord will gather the church
at the end of time.

The Ruler, that antichrist, will make his seven year covenant with Israel
There is no mention of an antichrist related to the seven sevens. The He who 'conform covenant' must be God or Christ.

Israel will build their temple and begin to make offerings and sacrifices
The sacrifices have been rendered inoperative for all time by the death of Christ.

In the middle of the seven, the antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, causing the sacrifices and offerings to cease
The offerings and sacrifices will cease under God;s covenant,

He will have the abomination set up in the holy place within the temple
Which the Romans did in 70 ad.

The woman/Israel will flee out into the desert where she will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3.5 years
Which occurred in 70 AD

After the 7th bowl has been poured out the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and the church with him riding on white horses and wearing fine linen, white and clean, which the bride will have received at the wedding of the Lamb in heaven as demonstrated in Rev.19:6-8.
The final act of earth's history along with the final judgment..

The beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and Satan will be thrown into and restricted in the Abyss during Christ thousand year reign.
Satan was thrown into the abyss by Rev 9. Thank God he is at present restricted to be released for a little season. They will all be thrown into the lake of fire at around the same time,
 

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Covenant, is also what the Old Testament occationally called a PEACE TREATY. Do a search for the word COVENANT in you Bible software, you will find it.
And in Daniel it is only ever used of God's covenant,


Daniel 9:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”
Who will confirm the covenant. - In Hebrew the indefinite subject of a sentence ALWAYS refers back to a previous subject. Alternatively it can refer to GOD.

The 'prince who is coming' is the prince previously announced as coming, ie the Christ.

The word nagid (prince) is never used of foreign kings elsewhere in Daniel.
 
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Satan was thrown into the abyss by Rev 9. Thank God he is at present restricted to be released for a little season. They will all be thrown into the lake of fire at around the same time,
You think the devil is bound/restrained right now? Not deceiving the nations? Man thats quite some deception going on. I dunno what type of fancy neighborhood you living at in the UK but one doesn't have to be a genius to notice that THE NATIONS ARE DECEIVED. Mass deception, even within the church. There are more than a billion hindus and mooslems in the world and you telling me satan aint deceiving the nations? Get real.
 
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Well that is a good observation that the world IS deceived. However, how do premillennials fit the resurrection that Jesus said would happen at the last day to their idea of multiple resurrections?
Is there any indication in the Scriptures that there is a distinction even today between Israel and the Church and that the resurrection is somehow at the last day and there are multiple of them, I will be willing to become a dispensational premillennialist if I see it pan out in the Scriptures, I am not blindly locked into a certain position for sure.