The Rapture

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Wow. And now I've read it....I've heard some desperate stuff before.

So Jesus died without leaving any real estate, BMW's, or family silver, is that the general drift here?


So what is your point? HE had life, and for three days only He did not have life. BUT I do not think that is what it was talking about. I believe it is talking about the Legal and binding act of Designating an Heir to all the Property that was legally HIS. Clearly JOSEPH, His Mother's husband is dead before the crucifixion, because she went home with JOHN. But something else happened just before she left with JOHN. In the Jewish culture, a man could pass on his property before his death, by a verbal statement, often calling designated the Birthright, to anyone he so chose. It did not have to be an OFFSPRING, it could be anybody, but that verbal passing of the inheritance in that manor HAD TO HAVE two or three eye witnesses. Now we have no mention of how Joseph died, or of his naming his HEIR, either in writing, or the traditional verbal contract. Joseph's DAD, Jacob was very rich, and so was Mary's DAD, Heli. BUT THE LAW at that time FORBADE a woman from inheriting property, and Mary's DAD had no sons, so how did Jewish LAW handle that INHERITANCE? It went to the husband of the eldest daughter, when the deseased had not named a male heir. Even if Joseph died suddenly, unexpectedly, such as a heart attack; what did Jewish LAW require to be done with all that property from two inheritances? It would all go to the Eldest Son, making Jesus the inheritor of all of Joseph's property. If Joseph actually verally named Jesus before he died as his inheritor, JESUS would have the LEGAL TITLE "SON OF JOSEPH", the same would be true, even if Joseph had name a Servant his heir. That would explain why John and Phillip had no problem with wording in this verse:

John 1:45 (ESV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”

Before anyone starts pointing fingures, know that I researched all of this years ago and even found a Jewish Christian Lawer that posted an article verifying the LEGAL comments I am posting, and that plus the fact that we only have a fraction of the history facts surrounding the life of JESUS, makes this the most logical explanation of what happened to the Property of Joseph:

John 21:25 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.


Now, there is some indication that Joseph died within two years before the Death of Jesus.

Matthew 8:20 (NIV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

Therefore, we know Jesus was not an inheritor at the time He said that. So where is the evidence of JESUS Passing of the Birthright to some other male?


John 19:25-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple He loved standing there, He said to His mother,
“Woman, here is your son.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then He said to the disciple,
“Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.


There are the three witness, and the Jewish Lawyer who's article I read, said that was quite sufficient according to Jewish LAW to be considered a LEGAL passing of the Birthright Inheritance, much the same as
Esau sold his birthright to his brother Jacob. Not only did JOHN take Mary home with him, but He inherited all of Joseph's property to support her, AND HE HAD THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BE CALLED BY THE TITLE, "SON OF JOSEPH". Thus Jesus died owning NOTHING. But Mary lost both her husband and eldest son in a short amount of time.

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In focusing on that last part of the sentence YOU take your eyes off of the specific implication of first statement in the VERSE:


Daniel 9:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.


AFTER is before the 70th Week of Daniel, which BEGINS WITH the signing of the Seven Year Peace Treaty Covenant.

THAT TOTALLY JUSTIFIES the GAP that is the Church Age as absolute FACT.
 

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What do all those verses have to do with WHEN did the tabernacle of David get rebuilt?

Simple question.... I'm asking you if the tabernacle of David was rebuilt when Christ came or is that a future event? Please don't give a bunch of out of context verses, just answer the question - It's already done or it's in the future.
Those verses answered your question. Please READ THEM.
 
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heartofdavid this is true. If you aint dispensational you'll make a mess out of the Bible real quick! Its not being dogmatic, its just a fact that God deals with people differently during different times and covenants.
 

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heartofdavid this is true. If you aint dispensational you'll make a mess out of the Bible real quick! Its not being dogmatic, its just a fact that God deals with people differently during different times and covenants.
This is an extremely contentious idea, based I suspect on one passage of scripture, Romans 11.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


The idea that the Jews somehow have a special dispensation that cuts out Jesus is, well, what do you think?

Simplicity of the gospel? Mess of the Bible? Really?

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


That was Peter talking to the religious leaders of Jewry.
 
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Those verses answered your question. Please READ THEM.
It was fulfilled when Christ came the first time.... here is the rest of the story.

Amos 9:11-15 KJV
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
[12] That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.
[13] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
[14] And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them ; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. [15] And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
 
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My friend The Antichrist will make a covenant with the Jews...He will confirm that covenant
Where does the bible say the antichrist will make a covenant? I see someone will confirm the covenant, but where in the bible is the covenant made? Or do we just change the bible to say confirm really means make a new covenant?
 
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It was fulfilled when Christ came the first time.... here is the rest of the story.

Amos 9:11-15 KJV
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
[12] That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.
[13] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
[14] And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them ; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. [15] And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
"they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God"

Need I say more? Listen, it seems to me that the core issue here in this rapture topic is ISRAEL. People don't know when the rapture will take place because they cannot notice that God will again deal with Israel once the times of the gentiles are fulfilled (THE RAPTURE) the church is removed and a new dispensation begins. It don't matter if you don't like the word dispensation, its in the bible and what it means is that things'll change.

So because they don't know that the tribulation is primarily about the Israel, they think the church has to go through it. They read about the Lord coming down to the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14 and I dunno what yall do, do you say the Jews He helps escape there are just american christians and the Mount of Olives is the grand canyon? How do you explain Zechariah 14 if you hold to replacement theology? I wanna see yall 'splain it away!
 

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Wow. And now I've read it....I've heard some desperate stuff before.

So Jesus died without leaving any real estate, BMW's, or family silver, is that the general drift here?
I stand by my understanding, He died in poverty, owning nothing, and even his clothes were gambled away, but Perhaps you will like these comments better:


But not for Himself, or literally and have nothing. This may mean that He had received nothing from the nation of Israel, to which He had come. Or it may mean that He died without apparent posterity (Isa. 53:8). Or it may be a general statement of His utter poverty; He left nothing but the clothes that He wore.

Believer's Bible Commentary: by Dr. William MacDonald (Author) & Dr. Arthur L. Farstad (Editor).
Amillenarians teach that Christ's First Advent ministry was in the 70th "seven," that there was no interval between the 69th and 70th "sevens," and that the six actions predicted in Daniel 9:24 are being fulfilled today in the church. This view, however, (a) ignores the fact that verse 26 says "after the 62 'sevens,'" not "in the 70th 'seven,'" (b) overlooks the fact that Christ's ministry on earth was three and one-half years in length, not seven, and (c) ignores the fact that God's six actions pertain to Daniel's "people" (Israel) and His "Holy City" (Jerusalem), not the church.


When the Anointed One would be cut off, Daniel was told, he would have nothing. The word translated "cut off" is used of executing the death penalty on a criminal. Thus the prophecy clearly points to the crucifixion of Christ. At His crucifixion He would "have nothing" in the sense that Israel had rejected Him and the kingdom could not be instituted at that time. Therefore He did not then receive the royal glory as the King on David's throne over Israel. John referred to this when he wrote, "He came to that which was His own [i.e., the throne to which He had been appointed by the Father] but His own [i.e., His own people] did not receive Him" (John 1:11). Daniel's prophecy, then, anticipated Christ's offer of Himself to the nation Israel as her Messiah, the nation's rejection of Him as Messiah, and His crucifixion

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
 
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"they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God"

Need I say more? Listen, it seems to me that the core issue here in this rapture topic is ISRAEL. People don't know when the rapture will take place because they cannot notice that God will again deal with Israel once the times of the gentiles are fulfilled (THE RAPTURE) the church is removed and a new dispensation begins. It don't matter if you don't like the word dispensation, its in the bible and what it means is that things'll change.

So because they don't know that the tribulation is primarily about the Israel, they think the church has to go through it. They read about the Lord coming down to the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14 and I dunno what yall do, do you say the Jews He helps escape there are just american christians and the Mount of Olives is the grand canyon? How do you explain Zechariah 14 if you hold to replacement theology? I wanna see yall 'splain it away!
The new Jerusalem isn't a literal place, it took earthly Jerusalem's place when Christ came. Try reading the verses below that tell us Hosea was fufilled at the first coming, these should help you see the truth. REMEMBER, the rebuilt tabernacle of David which is the TRUE tabernacle - the body of Christ, was fulfilled when Christ came the first time. What do you think?

Acts 15:14-17 KJV
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
 
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I stand by my understanding, He died in poverty, owning nothing, and even his clothes were gambled away, but Perhaps you will like these comments better:




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He died OWNING the entire creation!
 
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Where does the bible say the antichrist will make a covenant? I see someone will confirm the covenant, but where in the bible is the covenant made? Or do we just change the bible to say confirm really means make a new covenant?
Each time YOU make a contract YOU confirm it. How? You sign it. Look.
The Tribulation will begin when the Antichrist signs a seven-year covenant with Israel (Dan 9 v.27). He will not fully honor that covenant but will break it in the middle of the 7 years.

"He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (seven years - each day is one year). This important phrase indicates that the event that starts the 70th week (the seven year tribulation) is the signing of a seven year Covenant between the Antichrist and Israel.It is certain that the signing of the covenant begins the period called the Tribulation.

At the halfway point of the Tribulation which is three and a half years, the Antichrist will break this covenant with Israel with an event called "The Abomination of Desolation." This also signals there is only three and a half more years remaining before Christ returns to earth to set up His Earthly Kingdom.

One Provision of that Covenant Between the Antichrist and Israel might permit the Jews to Rebuild Their Temple which must be rebuilt in Jerusalem as the unbelieving Jews will once again resume their sacrifices.

To get the Muslims to move from their Dome of the Rock, the Antichrist might negotiate an agreement between Israel and the Remnants of the Arab world to relocate them to other countries thus giving them the opportunity to build their Temple. However this is done, it will happen as Israel will once again have a temple in the end times.
Since the antichrist will come on the world scene after the strength of Russia and her Arab allies has been broken, (Gog and Magog) he could talk the Muslim survivors into moving their sacred mosque somewhere else.

So...Daniel had a vision from God that foresaw a period of 70 weeks of years in Israel's future history. After 69 weeks, Daniel writes, the Messiah will be killed. Daniel's prophecy then goes into hibernation. The clock stops. Almost 2000 years have gone by and yet there is still one unfulfilled week determined or allotted to Daniel's people (the Jews) and the Holy city (Jerusalem) before the end comes.
Shortly after the Rapture, the time clock Which has been stopped for almost 2000 years, will resume its countdown. The beginning of this event is when the Antichrist signs a seven year peace agreement with Israel and the is also the sign of when the Tribulation will begin. From that point, there is exactly seven years left before the end of the great Tribulation and the end of the world. This will be the time known as Daniel's 70th week.
A week in this case, meaning seven days, is that each day is to be one year. Originally the vision was for 70 weeks or 490 years. The clock had stopped after 483 years when the Messiah was killed. The last week will be the 7 years of Tribulation.
The Bible often refers to the Church as a mystery. In God's economy, a mystery is not a whodunit novel, but rather an event not previously revealed by God. So when Daniel was given his vision, he saw it from beginning to end, without that parenthetical period that was occupied by the Church.
Think of it this way. Imagine a man standing behind a mountain. Way off in the distance, he sees a second mountain peak. What he can't see is the valley between the two peaks. That is the way Old Testament prophets saw the unfolding of history. Daniel saw the peak upon which the Lord was crucified, and he saw the peak in time in which the Lord returns. In the middle was the mystery Church.





Israel close to confirming Antichrist’s death covenant!

on Friday, September 11, 2009 by Bill Salus

There’s no fooling humanity anymore! Mankind nervously watches current international and Mideast events spin apocalyptically out of control. The world accelerates toward a one-world banking system, one-world order, and a one-world leader. The sign’s of the times suggest the biblical Antichrist has already arrived on the scene!
Atop the list of end time’s Antichrist signs are current Middle East war gyrations. The Bible predicts that hostilities between the Jews and their Arab and Persian enemies will rise to an unprecedented fever pitch. It further states that the whole world will someday turn against Israel, leaving the Jewish State to fend for itself. From the looks of things in the cradle of civilization, that time appears to have come!
Eschatologists email each other daily with new evidences that current events continue to reinforce their conclusions that humanity is hastening toward the dreaded “Tribulation Period”. Many of them teach that this 7-year period commences with a covenant confirmed for a similar duration between Israel and the Antichrist according to Daniel 9:27. Isaiah 28:15 and 18 identifies this Middle East peace – pact as a “covenant of death”. Isaiah’s rendition likens it to an agreement with Hell!
Undeniably the spotlight has again turned toward Israel, only this time the stakes have risen to an insurmountable high. All the Middle East prophetic chess pieces, political leaders, military arsenals, and terrorist organizations, like the Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, and Hamas are in place for the final showdown.
There appears no way around it, this must be it! The time has come for a charismatic world leader to emerge and put a peace-proposal together that puts the Middle East temporarily out of its misery and finally works!

I say temporarily, because the prophecy contained in Daniel chapter nine clearly foretells that the Antichrist will violate this peace treaty at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period. He then turns his hatred toward the Jews, and in Zechariah 13:8 we are informed that he will successfully kill two-thirds of the Israeli Jewish population living at that time. In light of other important preceding prophetic events, which I’m about to introduce, we can anticipate that the final Jewish body-count affected by his end time’s genocidal effort will total well into the millions!
This brings me to the prophetic point of this article whereby I must thrust a monkey wrench into most end time’s models. All the above is true, however the Bible declares that before the peace-pact is confirmed; powerful Mideast wars are foretold to occur!
According to yet unfulfilled prophecies contained in Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, and Ezekiel 38 & 39, Israel will first do battle against the Syria, Iran, the Hezbollah, and many other of their surrounding Arab enemies. Some scholars predict that these three Bible prophecies will occur soon, sequentially, and in rapid succession.
Isaiah 17:1 suggests that Israel is about to nuke Damascus turning it into a ruinous heap. Most military analysts suspect that Israel presently has the nuclear wherewithal to accomplish this damnation of Damascus. Isaiah’s entire prophecy seems to infer that the Israeli Defense Forces are the instrument through which the destruction of the world’s oldest continuously populated city occurs.
Psalm 83 encourages the possibility that Israel will then battle against the Palestinians, Hezbollah, Hamas, and many other surrounding Arab enemies, like the Saudis, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Egyptians. This prophetic psalm declares these enemies of Israel will unite to wipe the Jewish State off of the map, so that the “name Israel be remembered no more”. (Psalm 83:4)
As I point out in my book, Isralestine, The Ancient Blueprints of the Future Middle East, this Arab confederacy likewise meets its demise at the hands of the I.D.F. according to assorted Bible prophecies.
Then flip a few prophetic pages forward to the war between Israel and Iran. After Damascus goes down and the inner ring of Arab populations that share common borders with Israel meet their pending doom as per Psalm 83, Iran is scheduled to team up with Russia, Turkey, Libya and a hostile host of others in fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38 & 39 invasion of Israel.
In light of Iran’s present full court press for a nuclear weapon purposed to wipe Israel off of the pages of time, this is the prophecy most frequently discussed by eschatologists today. Ezekiel 38:18-39:6 predicts yet another massive Israeli victory over Iran and its powerful allies.
At this point I could itemize the litany of current Mideast events that undeniably indicate the world has arrived at this final fateful hour; however that’s reserved for a subsequent article. What I deposit with you in closing is that the events leading up to the Antichrist’s 7 year temporary peace-pact with Israel are about to happen. As eerie the thought may be, one could possibly presume that the Antichrist may be alive and residing somewhere on the earth today!
Furthermore; the Israeli victories in the wars listed above dictate that the content of the false covenant will probably not contain the present Israeli-Palestinian 2-state peace proposals. According to Bible prophecy Israel soon defeats the Palestinians and their Arab cohorts; thus achieving this illusive peace militarily before the advent of the Antichrist. No; Isaiah’s covenant with death, will likely paint and entirely different geopolitical picture upon its pages.
To imagine its content, one must envision the existence of a significantly different, more prosperous and powerful Israel. A Jewish State that is probably much larger and more densely populated with Jews than the lesser Israel of today.
A Greater Israel, that dwells securely in receipt of vast Arab and Iranian arsenals and spoils of war. A prosperous nation that is freed from further Arab terror, torment, and threats to be wiped off of the map.
Only then can one search the scriptures to grasp the enormity of the Antichrist’s last days covenant with Israel. Christians today ought to understand current Middle East and world events in order to utilize Bible prophecy as a witnessing tool for reaching out to a harvest field of souls. The world is filled with humanity hunkering down and hungering for truth and prophetic information, and the God of the Bible has not let them down.

Yup I cutteded and pasteded the entire post here. LOL Why? Its a bit more coherent than I am this morning. I was up writing most of the night.
 
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Is it not common knowledge that there are 2 Israels, 2 Jerusalems, 2 heavens, 2 earths and 2 of just about everything in the bible?

Why is the disp. view always assuming EARTHLY every time Israel or Jerusalem is mentioned? Earthly Jerusalem was only a shadow of the heavenly Jerusalem.... it was used to teach us about heavenly Jerusalem. MOST of what you guys reference about Israel and Jerusalem isspeaking of spiritual Israel and heavenly Jerusalem.

Do you guys still sacrifice lambs lol.... Just kidding. :)
 

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Where does the bible say the antichrist will make a covenant? I see someone will confirm the covenant, but where in the bible is the covenant made? Or do we just change the bible to say confirm really means make a new covenant?
You posted that question before and I answered it.

Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (RSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That leader will make firm an agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.“

Daniel 9:27 (CSBBible)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant

with many for one week,

but in the middle of the week

he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
And the abomination of desolation

will be on a wing of the temple
until the decreed destruction
is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (NJB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will strike a firm alliance with many people for the space of a week; and for the space of one half-week he will put a stop to sacrifice and oblation, and on the wing of the Temple will be the appalling abomination until the end, until the doom assigned to the devastator.'


Daniel 9:27 (NLT)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

Daniel 9:27 (AMP)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Daniel 9:27 (TLB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings; then, as a climax to all his terrible deeds, the Enemy shall utterly defile the sanctuary of God. But in God’s time and plan, his judgment will be poured out upon this Evil One."


Well now, the VAST MAJORITY of People who went back to the original languages to TRANSLATE, did not come up with the word CONFIRM, unlike those in 1611 who admitted in their Preface that they only PARAPHRASED from older English Versions, occasionally checking it against the LATIN Version, and corrected KNOWN errors. You have just exposed an unknown error that the KJV people missed in 1611.
 
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Each time YOU make a contract YOU confirm it. How? You sign it. Look.
The Tribulation will begin when the Antichrist signs a seven-year covenant with Israel (Dan 9 v.27). He will not fully honor that covenant but will break it in the middle of the 7 years.

"He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (seven years - each day is one year). This important phrase indicates that the event that starts the 70th week (the seven year tribulation) is the signing of a seven year Covenant between the Antichrist and Israel.It is certain that the signing of the covenant begins the period called the Tribulation.

At the halfway point of the Tribulation which is three and a half years, the Antichrist will break this covenant with Israel with an event called "The Abomination of Desolation." This also signals there is only three and a half more years remaining before Christ returns to earth to set up His Earthly Kingdom.

One Provision of that Covenant Between the Antichrist and Israel might permit the Jews to Rebuild Their Temple which must be rebuilt in Jerusalem as the unbelieving Jews will once again resume their sacrifices.

To get the Muslims to move from their Dome of the Rock, the Antichrist might negotiate an agreement between Israel and the Remnants of the Arab world to relocate them to other countries thus giving them the opportunity to build their Temple. However this is done, it will happen as Israel will once again have a temple in the end times.
Since the antichrist will come on the world scene after the strength of Russia and her Arab allies has been broken, (Gog and Magog) he could talk the Muslim survivors into moving their sacred mosque somewhere else.

So...Daniel had a vision from God that foresaw a period of 70 weeks of years in Israel's future history. After 69 weeks, Daniel writes, the Messiah will be killed. Daniel's prophecy then goes into hibernation. The clock stops. Almost 2000 years have gone by and yet there is still one unfulfilled week determined or allotted to Daniel's people (the Jews) and the Holy city (Jerusalem) before the end comes.
Shortly after the Rapture, the time clock Which has been stopped for almost 2000 years, will resume its countdown. The beginning of this event is when the Antichrist signs a seven year peace agreement with Israel and the is also the sign of when the Tribulation will begin. From that point, there is exactly seven years left before the end of the great Tribulation and the end of the world. This will be the time known as Daniel's 70th week.
A week in this case, meaning seven days, is that each day is to be one year. Originally the vision was for 70 weeks or 490 years. The clock had stopped after 483 years when the Messiah was killed. The last week will be the 7 years of Tribulation.
The Bible often refers to the Church as a mystery. In God's economy, a mystery is not a whodunit novel, but rather an event not previously revealed by God. So when Daniel was given his vision, he saw it from beginning to end, without that parenthetical period that was occupied by the Church.
Think of it this way. Imagine a man standing behind a mountain. Way off in the distance, he sees a second mountain peak. What he can't see is the valley between the two peaks. That is the way Old Testament prophets saw the unfolding of history. Daniel saw the peak upon which the Lord was crucified, and he saw the peak in time in which the Lord returns. In the middle was the mystery Church.





Israel close to confirming Antichrist’s death covenant!

on Friday, September 11, 2009 by Bill Salus

There’s no fooling humanity anymore! Mankind nervously watches current international and Mideast events spin apocalyptically out of control. The world accelerates toward a one-world banking system, one-world order, and a one-world leader. The sign’s of the times suggest the biblical Antichrist has already arrived on the scene!
Atop the list of end time’s Antichrist signs are current Middle East war gyrations. The Bible predicts that hostilities between the Jews and their Arab and Persian enemies will rise to an unprecedented fever pitch. It further states that the whole world will someday turn against Israel, leaving the Jewish State to fend for itself. From the looks of things in the cradle of civilization, that time appears to have come!
Eschatologists email each other daily with new evidences that current events continue to reinforce their conclusions that humanity is hastening toward the dreaded “Tribulation Period”. Many of them teach that this 7-year period commences with a covenant confirmed for a similar duration between Israel and the Antichrist according to Daniel 9:27. Isaiah 28:15 and 18 identifies this Middle East peace – pact as a “covenant of death”. Isaiah’s rendition likens it to an agreement with Hell!
Undeniably the spotlight has again turned toward Israel, only this time the stakes have risen to an insurmountable high. All the Middle East prophetic chess pieces, political leaders, military arsenals, and terrorist organizations, like the Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, and Hamas are in place for the final showdown.
There appears no way around it, this must be it! The time has come for a charismatic world leader to emerge and put a peace-proposal together that puts the Middle East temporarily out of its misery and finally works!

I say temporarily, because the prophecy contained in Daniel chapter nine clearly foretells that the Antichrist will violate this peace treaty at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period. He then turns his hatred toward the Jews, and in Zechariah 13:8 we are informed that he will successfully kill two-thirds of the Israeli Jewish population living at that time. In light of other important preceding prophetic events, which I’m about to introduce, we can anticipate that the final Jewish body-count affected by his end time’s genocidal effort will total well into the millions!
This brings me to the prophetic point of this article whereby I must thrust a monkey wrench into most end time’s models. All the above is true, however the Bible declares that before the peace-pact is confirmed; powerful Mideast wars are foretold to occur!
According to yet unfulfilled prophecies contained in Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, and Ezekiel 38 & 39, Israel will first do battle against the Syria, Iran, the Hezbollah, and many other of their surrounding Arab enemies. Some scholars predict that these three Bible prophecies will occur soon, sequentially, and in rapid succession.
Isaiah 17:1 suggests that Israel is about to nuke Damascus turning it into a ruinous heap. Most military analysts suspect that Israel presently has the nuclear wherewithal to accomplish this damnation of Damascus. Isaiah’s entire prophecy seems to infer that the Israeli Defense Forces are the instrument through which the destruction of the world’s oldest continuously populated city occurs.
Psalm 83 encourages the possibility that Israel will then battle against the Palestinians, Hezbollah, Hamas, and many other surrounding Arab enemies, like the Saudis, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Egyptians. This prophetic psalm declares these enemies of Israel will unite to wipe the Jewish State off of the map, so that the “name Israel be remembered no more”. (Psalm 83:4)
As I point out in my book, Isralestine, The Ancient Blueprints of the Future Middle East, this Arab confederacy likewise meets its demise at the hands of the I.D.F. according to assorted Bible prophecies.
Then flip a few prophetic pages forward to the war between Israel and Iran. After Damascus goes down and the inner ring of Arab populations that share common borders with Israel meet their pending doom as per Psalm 83, Iran is scheduled to team up with Russia, Turkey, Libya and a hostile host of others in fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38 & 39 invasion of Israel.
In light of Iran’s present full court press for a nuclear weapon purposed to wipe Israel off of the pages of time, this is the prophecy most frequently discussed by eschatologists today. Ezekiel 38:18-39:6 predicts yet another massive Israeli victory over Iran and its powerful allies.
At this point I could itemize the litany of current Mideast events that undeniably indicate the world has arrived at this final fateful hour; however that’s reserved for a subsequent article. What I deposit with you in closing is that the events leading up to the Antichrist’s 7 year temporary peace-pact with Israel are about to happen. As eerie the thought may be, one could possibly presume that the Antichrist may be alive and residing somewhere on the earth today!
Furthermore; the Israeli victories in the wars listed above dictate that the content of the false covenant will probably not contain the present Israeli-Palestinian 2-state peace proposals. According to Bible prophecy Israel soon defeats the Palestinians and their Arab cohorts; thus achieving this illusive peace militarily before the advent of the Antichrist. No; Isaiah’s covenant with death, will likely paint and entirely different geopolitical picture upon its pages.
To imagine its content, one must envision the existence of a significantly different, more prosperous and powerful Israel. A Jewish State that is probably much larger and more densely populated with Jews than the lesser Israel of today.
A Greater Israel, that dwells securely in receipt of vast Arab and Iranian arsenals and spoils of war. A prosperous nation that is freed from further Arab terror, torment, and threats to be wiped off of the map.
Only then can one search the scriptures to grasp the enormity of the Antichrist’s last days covenant with Israel. Christians today ought to understand current Middle East and world events in order to utilize Bible prophecy as a witnessing tool for reaching out to a harvest field of souls. The world is filled with humanity hunkering down and hungering for truth and prophetic information, and the God of the Bible has not let them down.

Yup I cutteded and pasteded the entire post here. LOL Why? Its a bit more coherent than I am this morning. I was up writing most of the night.
Jesus came died on the cross, ended animal sacrifice, cursed the fig tree and punished them for their abominations.... Can't you see that that's Daniel 9? Jesus did EVERYTHING in Daniel 9:27 and Galatians 3:17 confirms that Jesus CONFIRMED the Abrahamic covenant.

Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Why in the world would anybody KNOWING that Jesus did EVERYTHING mentioned in Daniel 9:27 say no that's not Christ, it's antichrist. Do you not belive Jesus did everything in Daniel 9:27? I'm trying to understand why you conclude that this is antichrist.
 

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He died OWNING the entire creation!
Oh, so you are saying the part of JESUS that was GOD, Died.

Are you sure you want to stand by that wild theory. Remember earlier He said the "Son of Man has no place to lay His head." Sounds to me like you are implying that Jesus Lied.
 
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You posted that question before and I answered it.

Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (RSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That leader will make firm an agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.“

Daniel 9:27 (CSBBible)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant

with many for one week,

but in the middle of the week

he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
And the abomination of desolation

will be on a wing of the temple
until the decreed destruction
is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (NJB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will strike a firm alliance with many people for the space of a week; and for the space of one half-week he will put a stop to sacrifice and oblation, and on the wing of the Temple will be the appalling abomination until the end, until the doom assigned to the devastator.'


Daniel 9:27 (NLT)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

Daniel 9:27 (AMP)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Daniel 9:27 (TLB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings; then, as a climax to all his terrible deeds, the Enemy shall utterly defile the sanctuary of God. But in God’s time and plan, his judgment will be poured out upon this Evil One."


Well now, the VAST MAJORITY of People who went back to the original languages to TRANSLATE, did not come up with the word CONFIRM, unlike those in 1611 who admitted in their Preface that they only PARAPHRASED from older English Versions, occasionally checking it against the LATIN Version, and corrected KNOWN errors. You have just exposed an unknown error that the KJV people missed in 1611.
I forgot that your version does not say "make a covenant....I was assuming. I'm sorry about that KJV1611 [h=1]Daniel 9:27 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]27 [/SUP]He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”
 
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You posted that question before and I answered it.

Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (RSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Daniel 9:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That leader will make firm an agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.“

Daniel 9:27 (CSBBible)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant

with many for one week,

but in the middle of the week

he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
And the abomination of desolation

will be on a wing of the temple
until the decreed destruction
is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 (NJB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will strike a firm alliance with many people for the space of a week; and for the space of one half-week he will put a stop to sacrifice and oblation, and on the wing of the Temple will be the appalling abomination until the end, until the doom assigned to the devastator.'


Daniel 9:27 (NLT)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

Daniel 9:27 (AMP)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Daniel 9:27 (TLB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings; then, as a climax to all his terrible deeds, the Enemy shall utterly defile the sanctuary of God. But in God’s time and plan, his judgment will be poured out upon this Evil One."


Well now, the VAST MAJORITY of People who went back to the original languages to TRANSLATE, did not come up with the word CONFIRM, unlike those in 1611 who admitted in their Preface that they only PARAPHRASED from older English Versions, occasionally checking it against the LATIN Version, and corrected KNOWN errors. You have just exposed an unknown error that the KJV people missed in 1611.
No doubt, the God presented in the KJV is not the same God as the other translations.
 
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Oh, so you are saying the part of JESUS that was GOD, Died.

Are you sure you want to stand by that wild theory. Remember earlier He said the "Son of Man has no place to lay His head." Sounds to me like you are implying that Jesus Lied.
Jesus inherited the entire earth when he died... all of this is his and mine too. :)