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Isaiah 14:8 KJV
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying , Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Will literal fir and cedar trees speak those words or no?
 
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Isaiah 14:8 KJV
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying , Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Will literal fir and cedar trees speak those words or no?
Jesus said that if the people had not praised God when He rode the donkey into Jerusalem the very stones would have cried out. Would you believe that? Why not the trees. If rocks can cry out

[h=1]Luke 19:40(CJB)[/h] [SUP]40 [/SUP]But he answered them, “I tell you that if they keep quiet, the stones will shout!”

So why not a mountain split or hills drip honey or trees talk? Or donkeys talk, or axe heads float or. someone walking on water or.....
 

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Because when its talking about the heavenly Jerusalem it specifically mentions it.
Btw: New Jerusalem is a LITERAL place. Its not symbolic of the church or any of that non sense.
Why would John describe to us in the Holy Ghost DETAILED stones and measurements of a city that isnt even real? This is where allegorizing gets you.
You know, when you Look at all the SCOFFERS, all the Wars, all the Pestilances, all the Earthquakes, all those Falling Away from Truth, all the False Prophets, all the Hate in this world, all the Jews returning Home to Israel, all the Lukewarm supposed Christians, ETC., and the LENGTH of this Thread already; I do believe this thread will still be going, when our Bridegroom calls us out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.







 
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Jesus said that if the people had not praised God when He rode the donkey into Jerusalem the very stones would have cried out. Would you believe that? Why not the trees. If rocks can cry out

Luke 19:40(CJB)

[SUP]40 [/SUP]But he answered them, “I tell you that if they keep quiet, the stones will shout!”

So why not a mountain split or hills drip honey or trees talk? Or donkeys talk, or axe heads float or. someone walking on water or.....
Which stones would shout, literal stones or these stones?

1 Peter 2:5 KJV
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
 

Ahwatukee

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I know right, stars that are 1000's of times larger than the earth are ALL going to fall to the earth right? Oh wait, stars DOESN'T REALLY MEAN stars, it's meteor shower isn't it.
Are you not able to read scripture and discern between what is symbolic and what is literal? Why do you continue to compare symbolism with what is literal.

You have to remember that those people back then did not have classifications for meteorites, asteroids, comets, planets and stars. Everything in the heavens were stars to them. Therefore, when it states that the stars fall to the earth it is most likely speaking of either asteroids or meteorites. It is a simple case of discerning the literal from the symbolic.
 
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Are you not able to read scripture and discern between what is symbolic and what is literal? Why do you continue to compare symbolism with what is literal.

You have to remember that those people back then did not have classifications for meteorites, asteroids, comets, planets and stars. Everything in the heavens were stars to them. Therefore, when it states that the stars fall to the earth it is most likely speaking of either asteroids or meteorites. It is a simple case of discerning the literal from the symbolic.
The bible said the stars will fall and I'm sticking with it. You really dont believe the words of the bible, you have to change them to make it fit your view. Just believe the bible that stars will fall and dont change it to fit your view. There are stars in the bible that aren't literal stars.
 

Ahwatukee

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It sounds like a major earth quake like nothing ever heard of or seen before. Doesn't the Scripture state that the earth will crack in half and reel back and forth like a drunkard off its axis?
Yes, that is a characteristic more or less during the time of God's wrath. But here in Zech.14:4, I believe the mentioning of the Lord's feet touching down on the Mount of Olives is directly related to the splitting of it and the creation of that valley.
 
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Which stones would shout, literal stones or these stones?

1 Peter 2:5 KJV
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that he wasn't talking about literal stones crying out lol.
 

Ahwatukee

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The bible said the stars will fall and I'm sticking with it. You really dont believe the words of the bible, you have to change them to make it fit your view. Just believe the bible that stars will fall and dont change it to fit your view. There are stars in the bible that aren't literal stars.
If even one star or our own moon for that matter were to hit or even come near the earth, it would be destroyed. And that would put an end to the rest of the fulfillment of God's wrath and the millennial kingdom and that because there would be no earth and no inhabitants left to fulfill those things. As I said, everything to men back then was a star, whether it was a real star which is light years away, or a planet, or a meteorite or a comet. Literal stars could not fall to the earth, because that would be the end of everything. And since we still have a millennial kingdom that needs to take place, then they can't be literal stars the size of our own sun and bigger.
 

Ahwatukee

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that he wasn't talking about literal stones crying out lol.
Actually, Jesus was speaking literally that if those people had remained silent, then the stones would have literally cried in praise.
 
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Which stones would shout, literal stones or these stones?

1 Peter 2:5 KJV
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
At the time Jesus said it, there were no lively stones...No born again people at all. So there it's sure that Jesus was talking about real honest to good goodness rock kind of stones..Imagine Jesus riding the little donkey, the people shouting hosanah and waving palm fronds and laying them on the road to carpet it for Jesus' donkey. Then the supposed bigwigs telling Jesus. "Hey! Shut these people up." and Jesus replies.."If they shut up all the stones, (making up the walls and things) will shout." Now wouldn't that just scare the stuffing out of them? LOL I almost wish the stones had shouted.
 

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The bible said the stars will fall and I'm sticking with it. You really dont believe the words of the bible, you have to change them to make it fit your view. Just believe the bible that stars will fall and dont change it to fit your view. There are stars in the bible that aren't literal stars.
Let me put it this way, there are multiple places in Revelation that say that the stars fall to the earth. If real stars had done so the first time, there would be second time, because the earth would be gone. You really have to be able to discern scripture and use logic in interpreting these events.
 
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If even one star or our own moon for that matter were to hit or even come near the earth, it would be destroyed. And that would put an end to the rest of the fulfillment of God's wrath and the millennial kingdom and that because there would be no earth and no inhabitants left to fulfill those things. As I said, everything to men back then was a star, whether it was a real star which is light years away, or a planet, or a meteorite or a comet. Literal stars could not fall to the earth, because that would be the end of everything. And since we still have a millennial kingdom that needs to take place, then they can't be literal stars the size of our own sun and bigger.
I agree, literal stars aren't going to fall. If they're not literal stars then they're figurative stars. One thing that we can not change is the WORDS... STARS will fall, not meteors, not asteroids, not space junk, not alien space ships... We are only left with one option, the stars are figurative of the FIG TREE casting her untimely figs.

Maybe this would make more sense if you understood what an UNTIMELY FIG was.
 

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Isaiah 14:8 KJV
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying , Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Will literal fir and cedar trees speak those words or no?
You seem to be a black and white kind of guy. It seems that you insist the Bible must be either ALL literal or ALL allegory.

That is not the case.
 
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At the time Jesus said it, there were no lively stones...No born again people at all. So there it's sure that Jesus was talking about real honest to good goodness rock kind of stones..Imagine Jesus riding the little donkey, the people shouting hosanah and waving palm fronds and laying them on the road to carpet it for Jesus' donkey. Then the supposed bigwigs telling Jesus. "Hey! Shut these people up." and Jesus replies.."If they shut up all the stones, (making up the walls and things) will shout." Now wouldn't that just scare the stuffing out of them? LOL I almost wish the stones had shouted.
So you don't think Abraham, the "father" of the children of the promise was a lively stone? What makes the old testament saints that were saved exactly the same we are aren't a part of us?
 
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You seem to be a black and white kind of guy. It seems that you insist the Bible must be either ALL literal or ALL allegory.

That is not the case.
Well I am black and white as far as the words go, we can't change the words but the allegories are all over the place, allegory and literal are mixed throughout the bible.
 
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I agree, literal stars aren't going to fall. If they're not literal stars then they're figurative stars. One thing that we can not change is the WORDS... STARS will fall, not meteors, not asteroids, not space junk, not alien space ships... We are only left with one option, the stars are figurative of the FIG TREE casting her untimely figs.

Maybe this would make more sense if you understood what an UNTIMELY FIG was.
In the last book of the Narnia series, the stars fell from the heavens.. Well the way he described it, it looked like they were falling to Earth. they were falling from the sky though, as if sliding down the sky in to a trough at the bottom. From the Earth is would look like they were falling to the ground....Could it be that's the way it will be? Or could the stars be spirits falling. Like whan Lucifer fell. ...The star falling as lightning.
Luke 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
 
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In the last book of the Narnia series, the stars fell from the heavens.. Well the way he described it, it looked like they were falling to Earth. they were falling from the sky though, as if sliding down the sky in to a trough at the bottom. From the Earth is would look like they were falling to the ground....Could it be that's the way it will be? Or could the stars be spirits falling. Like whan Lucifer fell. ...The star falling as lightning.
Luke 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
It could be fallen angels because the bible does call them stars so I don't have a problem with that. But the bible goes another step further and links the stars to the fig tree... I could be wrong but I think that means the children of Israel... not that they are falling in a bad way, but they are the FRUIT of the fig tree that Christ gathered when he came the first time.

The tree was about to be destroyed so God cast them from the tree and gathered them.
 

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I agree, literal stars aren't going to fall. If they're not literal stars then they're figurative stars. One thing that we can not change is the WORDS... STARS will fall, not meteors, not asteroids, not space junk, not alien space ships... We are only left with one option, the stars are figurative of the FIG TREE casting her untimely figs.

Maybe this would make more sense if you understood what an UNTIMELY FIG was.
No! Not figurative stars. Why don't you understand that to those people back then everything in the heavens was a star to them? As I said the "fig tree" in scripture does not always refer to Israel. Most of the time it refers to a fig tree. And I have no idea how you interpreted stars for fig tree. An untimely fig is an unripe fig and is referring to how the wind blows the fig off of the tree. You are reading into these scriptures what is not there.