The Red Sea Crossing

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Hizikyah

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what claims do not agree with what accounts in Exodus and Numbers?

The coral formations are very interesting however not definitive as the items themselves most probably have decayed over time as they were of wood....but they appear to have located metallic parts in some of the corals which mat be the bronze that was used in those days. The topography of the area fits to what Scripture describes.
the chariot wheel of pharoah is undisputeable
 

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what claims do not agree with what accounts in Exodus and Numbers?

The coral formations are very interesting however not definitive as the items themselves most probably have decayed over time as they were of wood....but they appear to have located metallic parts in some of the corals which mat be the bronze that was used in those days. The topography of the area fits to what Scripture describes.

The objects found certainly foster curiosity but this location for the crossing fits neither the timeline of the journey not the route defined in Exodus and Numbers. Also, this location is an impossible place to cross. The first problem is the distance it takes to go from Rameses to Nuweiba. Moller, in his video, said their route through the Sinai would take three weeks. This does not meet the Biblical requirements of seven days.
The second problem is the topography of the underwater land bridge. From Nuweiba the land bridge slopes down to 850 meters (2,790 feet) but then comes up sharply on the east side as it gets to the shore of Saudi Arabia. This sharp incline would make the ascent extremely difficult, if not impossible for the Israelites to cross in one night.
 
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[video=youtube_share;7sA8nloFLbs]http://youtu.be/7sA8nloFLbs[/video]
 
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[video=youtube_share;d90NM9tgDQE]http://youtu.be/d90NM9tgDQE[/video]
 

oldhermit

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[video=youtube_share;d90NM9tgDQE]http://youtu.be/d90NM9tgDQE[/video]
Just how do you think this proves that this site at Nuweiba proves this is where Israel crossed the Red Sea when this site is contrary to the account provided in Exodus and Numbers?
 
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Just how do you think this proves that this site at Nuweiba proves this is where Israel crossed the Red Sea when this site is contrary to the account provided in Exodus and Numbers?
It prove that something massive had happened there. The chariots which they have found were many; and the chariots in them days were like Lamborghini in our life time. Only the high society in those times have them. Basically it was royalty and for its special soldiers had road them. They just didn't go around driving the chariots into the oceans and seas. And then the video has shown what would happen to a semi to hard materials in the sea, and which they become coral. Solomon has had wisdom (Which means that he was smarter than the scholars) to figure out where the crossing of the Red sea had happened. And plus he have had direct communication with God, and which God would have told Solomon where to put the columns at or would of warned him if they were in the wrong place. God places bread crumbs down for the future generational skeptics like Thomas to find..
 
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Where do YOU think the Red Sea crossing was and why do you prefer that location?
A picture speaks a thousand words. This is the location of where they passed when the sea parted.

You find a lot of archaeological evidence through that path and at the Mount where its marked ..


There are Egyptian chariots and their wheels at the bottom of that sea there. Horse skulls and human skeletal remains .

When you get to the Mountain there, you see a mountain top that is burnt black, A split rock, a alter with pictures of bulls on it.


 
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I am not disputing that something has been found. I am questioning the interpretation of what has been found. There is no evidence that any of this is Egyptian. What people are doing is taking the evidences found and attaching a explanation to them that is contrary to the biblical account. No matter what is beneath the waters at this location it cannot be supported by scripture. This location does not even fit the route that scripture says Israel took upon leaving Succoth. One must always begin with the biblical text to explain the evidence, never the other way around.
 
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I am not disputing that something has been found. I am questioning the interpretation of what has been found. There is no evidence that any of this is Egyptian. What people are doing is taking the evidences found and attaching a explanation to them that is contrary to the biblical account. No matter what is beneath the waters at this location it cannot be supported by scripture. This location does not even fit the route that scripture says Israel took upon leaving Succoth. One must always begin with the biblical text to explain the evidence, never the other way around.
Well maybe i can find some scripture.


Galatians 4:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

This is where the map I posted is marks Mount Sinai, in Arabia... I know, there is much more scripture, that if you take the time, you'll find it with a little prayer and humility. Christ said, you have to be willing to be like a child, in the sense they are hungry to learn. It's just people are not familiar with it, because they never read it, or never were taught.
 
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Well maybe i can find some scripture.


Galatians 4:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

This is where the map I posted is marks Mount Sinai, in Arabia.
When Paul wrote Galatians, all of the Sinai Peninsula was part of Arabia. When Wyatt attempted to use this text to support his claims concerning Jabel al Lawz, he either did not take this into account or he chose to ignore it.
 
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Looking at the Strong's it also gives you more info.


Σινᾶ

Sina

see-nah'

Of Hebrew origin [ H5514 ];
Sina (that {is} { Sinai }) a mountain in Arabia: - Sina.


The Hebrew is -

סיני
sîynay

see-nah'ee

Of uncertain derivation;
{Sinai} a mountain of Arabia: - Sinai.
 

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The location in Jabel al Lawz cannot be supported by the route described in Exodus.
 
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A picture speaks a thousand words. This is the location of where they passed when the sea parted.

You find a lot of archaeological evidence through that path and at the Mount where its marked ..


There are Egyptian chariots and their wheels at the bottom of that sea there. Horse skulls and human skeletal remains .

When you get to the Mountain there, you see a mountain top that is burnt black, A split rock, a alter with pictures of bulls on it.


That crossing location is impossible. It is approx. 150 miles across the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt to that crossing point. Pharoah confronted the Israelites at the body of water they crossed the day after they left Egypt. It is impossible that they crossed that distance (through the desert, no less) in that short of time.
 
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Only thing that I can say is that if they would of went north, they would of been in the land of Canaan (Israel) and which God didn't want them there yet. But God wanted Hebrews (Habiru which mean means a people without a nation like wandering Gypsy) wandering in the wilderness to be tested, to see who are worthy to enter into the land that He promised.

Matthew 4:1
[ Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness ] Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Mark 1:13
and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

Hebrews 3:9
where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did.

Acts 13:18
for about forty years he endured their conduct in the wilderness;

Hebrews 3:8
do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness,

Matthew 25:34
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.


 

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That crossing location is impossible. It is approx. 150 miles across the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt to that crossing point. Pharoah confronted the Israelites at the body of water they crossed the day after they left Egypt. It is impossible that they crossed that distance (through the desert, no less) in that short of time.
Gordon Franz makes the following observation on this point.

"Bible geographers who deal with the Exodus take the three encampments from Rameses to the Red Sea, i.e. Succoth, Etham and Migdol, to refer to three days of travel. The Bible does not explicitly say this.

Joel McQuitty made an interesting suggestion back in 1986. He suggested that the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread commemorates the seven days it took to go from Rameses to the Red Sea (1986:103-105; Ex. 13:3,4; 12:33f.; Deut. 16:3; Lev. 23:42-43). Ironically, one of the proponents of Jebel al Lawz does as well. However, he goes one step further and says that the Israelites rested on the Sabbath (Letter from Durham, Sept. 7, 2001, p. 14). If McQuitty is correct, and I believe he is, then this would fit very nicely with a crossing at the
northern end of the Gulf of Suez. As K. A. Kitchen has pointed out, Rameses is located in the area of Khataana / Qantar (1998:77). Othersm place Rameses at Tell el-Dab'a, another site in the area (Shea 1990:98-111). Kitchen goes on to locate Succoth at Tell el-Maskhuta and Pithom at Tell er-Retaba (1998:78). From the Qantar area to Suez City is approximately 100 miles. If we take that number and divide it by seven days it comes out to about 15 miles per day. Considering the Israelites left Egypt in "haste" (Ex. 12:33; Deut. 16:3) and in "orderly ranks", a military term for battle array (Ex, 13:18), 15 miles a day would be very reasonable. Robinson observed that "the usual day's march of the best appointed armies, both in ancient and modern times, is not estimated higher than fourteen English, or twelve geographical miles, and it cannot be supposed that the Israelites with women and children and flocks, would be able to accomplish more" (1977:75).

A near contemporary event to the Exodus would be Thutmose III's first campaign against the land of Canaan. Aharoni describes the march by Thutmose III and his army to Megiddo this way: "From Sile, the chief frontier post on the Egyptian border, the army covered the 150 miles to Gaza in nine or ten days, a very rapid pace" (1979:153). In this march across the northern Sinai they encountered very sandy conditions, but they would have averaged 15 miles per day. Once they got to Canaan, they slowed down because of resistance along
the way by the Canaanites (Aharoni 1979:153)."