The rest in Hebrews 4 is the good news of the coming kingdom ...

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prety amazing.

Imagine if they were your boss. lets all take a rest and cease from work for 15 minutes. But keep working..

Some rest!
Then imagine them taking a rest and then told it's not the prescribed rest as laid down in the rules of the company that used to occupy the building.
 
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Then imagine them taking a rest and then told it's not the prescribed rest as laid down in the rules of the company that used to occupy the building.

yep. they have to work 15 extra minutes, because their rest was not authorized.
 
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Elin; The text states believers are in that rest now.
Hebrews 4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.

The promise remains. What promise did they have that remains for us too?

For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest.

The same Gospel that was preached to them is preached to us. They heard the same Gospel as we hear today. They could have entered into rest just like we can today but they didn't because of their disobedience.

When we keep the seventh day rest, through obedience, we can find rest. Why? Because the seventh day rest testifies of the kingdom rest in the future and all who enter into rest obey God. There is no rest in disobedience.

Hebrews 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience.

Hebrews 4:8-11 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

Everything that happened to them back then can happen to us today. God rested on the seventh day so we do too. When we do this we find rest through our obedience. When we disobey God there is no rest in the soul, only tribulation and anguish. Therefore there remains a Sabbath keeping for God's people so we should make every effort to rest on the seventh day just like God rested lest we perish just like they did when they disobeyed God.

Some will say we have rest in Jesus now so that does away with the seventh day rest. If this is true they would have done away with the seventh day in Joshua's day. The (rest) that we have in Jesus is the Greek word, anapauo. It refers to a spiritual rest from trying to make ourselves acceptable to God. When we're in Christ, through faith and faith alone, we are accepted by God.

Ephesians 1:6-7 To the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved
. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.

This is a spiritual rest and it's found in Matthew 11:28.

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest (anapauo).

The (rest) that we find in the seventh day is the Greek word, sabbaton. It refers to ceasing from physical labor on the literal seventh day. This rest applies to all people including those who were not called God's people, as well as, the animals. It's foun
d in Matthew 12:8.

Matthew 12:8 Jesus said, "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath (sabbaton).”

sä'b-bä-ton
1. The seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work.
2. The institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week.
3. A single sabbath, sabbath day.


We can find rest in Jesus from our struggle to be acceptable to God but this rest does not give us a free pass to disobey God and reject His Law.

 
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Yes there is more than one type of rest. We cannot interpret rest to mean just one thing as being rest in Christ. We need to look at the word and context. Hebrews 4 talks about rest in Christ, Sabbath rest (the 7th day) and future rest.
 
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Yes there is more than one type of rest. We cannot interpret rest to mean just one thing as being rest in Christ. We need to look at the word and context. Hebrews 4 talks about rest in Christ, Sabbath rest (the 7th day) and future rest.
Amen! One does not cancel out the other.
 
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Amen! One does not cancel out the other.
The "rest of" Heb 4:9 is God's perpetual (unending) Sabbath rest,
into which we enter (v.10)
through faith in Christ, who has completed all the heavy lifting.
 
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The "rest of" Heb 4:9 is God's perpetual (unending) Sabbath rest,
into which we enter (v.10)
through faith in Christ, who has completed all the heavy lifting.
Yeah, never mind what the word really means.
 
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Elin said:
The "rest of" Heb 4:9 is God's perpetual (unending) Sabbath rest,
into which we enter (v.10)
through faith in Christ, who has completed all the heavy lifting.
Yeah, never mind what the word really means.
Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

The Greek word in Heb 4:9 means God's observance of his Sabbath rest.
God has been observing his Sabbath rest since the end of creation,
his observance of it is unending.

Heb 4:10 states that we enter now into that unending Sabbath rest of God.

Col 2:16-17 states that a Sabbath day is only a shadow of the reality in Christ.

Through faith in Christ, who completed all the heavy lifting,
we enter now into the reality of God's unending Sabbath rest,
of which observance of the weekly Sabbath was only a shadow.


The NT revelation spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers leaves on doubt in Heb 4:9-10; Col 2:16-17,
Ro 14:5 what the word really means.
 
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Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

The Greek word in Heb 4:9 means God's observance of his Sabbath rest.
God has been observing his Sabbath rest since the end of creation,
his observance of it is unending.

Heb 4:10 states that we enter now into that unending Sabbath rest of God.

Col 2:16-17 states that a Sabbath day is only a shadow of the reality in Christ.

Through faith in Christ, who completed all the heavy lifting,
we enter now into the reality of God's unending Sabbath rest,
of which observance of the weekly Sabbath was only a shadow.


The NT revelation spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers leaves on doubt in Heb 4:9-10; Col 2:16-17,
Ro 14:5 what the word really means.
The weekly sabbath is a memorial not a shadow. The ceremonial sabbaths were shadows.
 
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It is the perpetual Sabbath rest of God into which we enter (v. 10).
But does the word "rest" in verse 9 mean Sabbath rest or Sabbath keeping?
Barnes note has it mean Sabbath keeping the same word used in Septuagint OT in following verses
Exodus 16:30
Leviticus 23:32 & 26:35
2 Chronicles 36:21

Hebrews 4 - Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible

What did the writer of Hebrews pick this word?
 
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The "rest of" Heb 4:9 is God's perpetual (unending) Sabbath rest,
into which we enter (v.10)
through faith in Christ, who has completed all the heavy lifting.
Jesus didn't say no lifting He said light lifting.
 
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What did the writer of Hebrews pick this word?
Because God's eternal rest is represented by the sabbath. (v. 4, 10)

Barnes also says this:
(2) heaven will be like a Sabbath. The best description of it is to say it is “an eternal Sabbath.”
 
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Elin said:
The Greek word in Heb 4:9 means God's observance of his Sabbath rest.
God has been observing his Sabbath rest since the end of creation,
his observance of it is unending.

Heb 4:10 states that we enter now into that unending Sabbath rest of God.

Col 2:16-17 states that a Sabbath day is only a shadow of the reality in Christ.

Through faith in Christ, who completed all the heavy lifting,
we enter now into the reality of God's unending Sabbath rest,
of which observance of the weekly Sabbath was only a shadow.


The NT revelation spoken by the Son in these last days
(Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers leaves on doubt in Heb 4:9-10; Col 2:16-17,
Ro 14:5 what the word really means.
The weekly sabbath is a memorial not a shadow. The ceremonial sabbaths were shadows.
Heb 4 is about the weekly Sabbath.

We enter into the unending Sabbath rest of God through faith in Christ, where we rest from all work to save ourselves.
 
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But does the word "rest" in verse 9 mean Sabbath rest or Sabbath keeping?
Sabbath keeping is Sabbath rest.

Sabbath rest is Sabbath keeping.

What did the writer of Hebrews pick this word??
Because it is God's unending Sabbath rest into which we enter (Heb 4:9-10) through faith in Christ.

Our rest from our own work to save ourselves is an unending Sabbath rest,
as is God's rest from his own work of creation is an unending Sabbath rest.
 
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Jesus didn't say no lifting He said light lifting.
The Levites (priests) did the heavy lifting (Nu 1:50-51, 3:5-8, 4:4-33).

Jesus is our Priest who did the heaving lifting.
 

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Yes there is more than one type of rest. We cannot interpret rest to mean just one thing as being rest in Christ. We need to look at the word and context. Hebrews 4 talks about rest in Christ, Sabbath rest (the 7th day) and future rest.
Well, which one is this?...

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 

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The weekly sabbath is a memorial not a shadow. The ceremonial sabbaths were shadows.
You are purposely misrepresenting what the bible says to uphold your faulty and incorrect 7th day worship.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Straight to the point. Working at keeping a rest every saturday is a shadow of what the Lord Jesus Christ gives us by faith, every day.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 

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Sabbath keeping is Sabbath rest.

Sabbath rest is Sabbath keeping.


Because it is God's unending Sabbath rest into which we enter (Heb 4:9-10) through faith in Christ.

Our rest from our own work to save ourselves is an unending Sabbath rest,
as is God's rest from his own work of creation is an unending Sabbath rest.
Then why are there THREE words used there?

Katapausis, Katapauo and Sabbatismos. Why is Sabbatismos used there at all? Why didn't the author just continue with one of the Kata's? Why the special word there?
 

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You are purposely misrepresenting what the bible says to uphold your faulty and incorrect 7th day worship.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Straight to the point. Working at keeping a rest every saturday is a shadow of what the Lord Jesus Christ gives us by faith, every day.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
And you are purposely misusing Heb 10:1. That very verse contains the Law that the writer is referring to...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Even a cursory reading of chapter 10 is impressive with the number of times that sacrifices is referred to. It is not hard to figure out the subject matter of this chapter...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Notice what Law? The sacrifices offered by Law.

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

And I didn't bother to highlight the references and inferences.
 
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Elin said:
Sabbath keeping is Sabbath rest.

Sabbath rest is Sabbath keeping.


Because it is God's unending Sabbath rest into which we enter (Heb 4:9-10) through faith in Christ.

Our rest from our own work to save ourselves is an unending Sabbath rest,
as God's rest from his own work of creation is an unending Sabbath rest.
Then why are there THREE words used there?

Katapausis, Katapauo and Sabbatismos. Why is Sabbatismos used there at all? Why didn't the author just continue with one of the Kata's? Why the special word there?
Katapausis (n.) and katapauo (v.) are different forms of the same word for "rest,"
used both for God's rest (Heb 3:11) and man's rest (Heb 4:8),
meaning the seventh-day Sabbath rest of both God and man (Heb 4:10).

However, unlike man's seventh-day Sabbath rest, God's keeping
of the seventh day Sabbath in rest is unending, and is sabbastismo,
which likewise in the NT is now the Sabbath rest for the people of God (Heb 4:9); i.e.,
it is unending rest from any work to save ourselves,
which unending rest necessarily moves into eternity.


There are only two different words used in Heb 4:9-10,
1) katapausis, katapauo - seventh day Sabbath rest
2) sabbatismo - unending Sabbath rest, of God and the NT people of God.