The Revelation 12 Sign/ NASA 2020 Project

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Has anybody heard about the Sept. 23, 2017 Revelation 12 Sign in the Constellation Virgo?

Look it up! You might be interested.



Did you know that Americas founding fathers vision for the United States is based on the Book of Revelation? Many Americans in the past have always believed this.

NASA is going back to the Moon by 2020 on the Orion Spacecraft to land on the polar region called a "Peak of Eternal Light ". This is a place which is clothed with 24 hr sunlight.

They are going to Mars on the Red Dragon which will threaten to eat up the project on the moon.

Many in the Church have believed that the woman of Revelation 12 is the Church and the United States. The child is one sent from God to prepare the way for Christ return.

According to this interpretation, the child of Revelation is the rider on the white horse in Chapter 6:2. He is given the key of David and will rule with a rod of iron and will sit on Christ's right hand (His throne ). To the left of Christ is God the Father.

Also, Thomas Jefferson referred to the "Great Rock Mountains" of the United States, which my research has interpreted as Petra.Everything to the West is wilderness.

The United States was created as a refuge for persecuted Christians.

If your interested in discussing this topic or acquiring more information, please feel free to reply.
 
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Georgiedog where do I look this up?
 
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Georgiedog where do I look this up?
 
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Beware, people are still trying to figure out the significance of the Revelation 12 Sign of Sept.23,2017. But it is easy to substantiate that the sign is definately there. But what it means, people have all kinds of opinions. Saying that the rapture is going to happen on that date. Do not be fulled!

Just type in "Revelation 12 Sign" and do a search. You will see youtube videos which will explain the event.

As for the explanation of what this means in my opinion, and according to my own original research, you'll gather information from my blog. The information is presentable, but I am working on cleaning it up and presenting a clearer picture of my understanding of Revelation.

The NASA Sign was given to me from the Lord. As well as the interpretation of Revelation. Revelation is the mystery which had been given to the Church through the Apostles and Prophets on behalf of Christ, involving the Gentiles among other things. Johns Revelation is a full and complete summary of what was known by the early church which is designed for an administration of government "in the fullness of times". Like Daniel, Revelation was written for the time of the end. But we have been living in the last days for almost two thousand years. But Revelation is a plan for the future (Roadmap).

If I had help making a youtube video I will post it.

I have the Gift of Prophecy which testifies of Christ. So I ask anyone to seek the Lord first to open up their own understanding.



Hope this helps.
 
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Finally someone who knows how to interpret revelation, where have you been all this time?
 

Angela53510

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First, you are not allowed to solicit for another website on CC.

Second, deliver us from "America" centered eschatology, particularly ones which claim to have all the answers to Revelation. Despite reading many books on eschatology, and having some firm views, I would never claim to interpret Revelation.

My Greek professor this week was fielded a question by one student on Revelation. He said it was a book he stayed away from, as it was far too difficult to interpret. He is one of the top Greek scholars in the world, with a huge on-line teaching ministry, for the Bible. I felt quite vindicated, because after all my theology and studies, both in and out of seminary, to know that I had come to the same conclusions as my professor.

As for the OP, do consider that just by dragging America into the mix, when the New World is never mentioned or referred to ever, you have committed the same egregrious crime as Joseph Smith. How ethnocentric can you get!
 

Angela53510

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Oh dear! Looked at the website! So crazy! Such bizarre extensions and applications.

Here is my advice to the OP. Take a good course on hermeneutics. This is the interpretation of the Bible. Then you will not fall into these traps of thinking Rev. 12:1 is the US going to the moon again, or is it Mars?

Just really a bad interpretation going on in this website.
 

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Just type in "Revelation 12 Sign" and do a search. You will see youtube videos which will explain the event.
Your source above for interpreting the prophesies of God, is your error. The literal meaning behind the symbolism of the woman of Revelation 12 can be found right in Gen.37:9-10, which represents Israel. But you ignore God's provision of the symbolism in his word and rely on YouTube.
 
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WHO IS THE “CHILD” OF REVELATION 12:1-5?

by Shawn Brasseaux

The Bible says in Revelation chapter 12: “[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. [4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

Who is this “child” mentioned in verses 2, 4, and 5? The common teaching is that it is Jesus Christ. After all, He was a member of the nation Israel (Matthew 1:1), He is to rule all nations with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15), and He was caught up to God and His throne (Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9-11). But, does that necessarily make Jesus the “child” of Revelation chapter 12? Could someone else be that child? We will scan the Bible text for clues.

John the Apostle penned an interesting set of verses, Revelation 2:24-27: “[24] But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. [25] But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. [26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.”

To those Jewish believers who overcome (the reign and deception of Antichrist), Jesus Christ promises them they will rule over the nations with a rod of iron (verses 26-27). So, not only does Jesus Christ rule over the nations with the rod of iron, He will also appoint believing Jews—or “the circumcision believers”—to rule over the nations under Him. These Jewish kingdom believers will share Christ’s authority over the nations. After all, Jesus Christ is called “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16). He is King and He is Lord, but He has kings and lords serving under Him in His government. Just as His Father appointed Him, so He appoints them. Revelation 12:5—born of Israel and ruling all nations with a rod of iron—is not exclusive to Jesus Christ. It is also true of believing Jews in Israel’s program. But, there is more.

In order to “re-start” Israel’s program after our Dispensation of Grace ends, God will use 144,000 male Jewish preachers. We read about them in Revelation chapter 7: “[1] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. [2] And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, [3] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

These 144,000—on earth in the aforementioned chapter 7—are suddenly caught up into heaven. Revelation chapter 14: “[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. [2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: [3] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. [4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. [5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”

This is not the Rapture and it has nothing to do with us the Church the Body of Christ, please note! Revelation chapters 7 and 14 are talking about the 144,000 Jewish men (verse 4) who will preach during the first 3½ years (or so) of the seven-year Tribulation. This group is the “child” of Revelation chapter 12. That is, Israel will “give birth” to a group of preachers. Also, that group of preachers will rule over the nations in Christ’s earthly kingdom (following the Tribulation, in the Millennium, 1000-year reign). Furthermore, that group of preachers will be caught up into heaven roughly halfway through the seven-year Tribulation. Satan will unsuccessfully try to harm or kill them.

It would not make sense for the Apostle John, in Revelation chapter 12, to reach back into Israel’s history and suddenly start talking about Jesus’ birth (Matthew chapter 2), and His ascension (Acts chapter 1). No, the “child” in Revelation chapter 12 is future. It is Israel’s believing remnant, chiefly the 144,000 Jewish preachers. These 144,000 will come from the nation Israel (Revelation chapter 7), they will rule over the nations in the Millennium (Revelation chapter 2), and they will be caught up to God and His throne in heaven (Revelation chapter 14).
 
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Joseph Smith was going on incomplete knowledge which he had of a vision called Manifest Destiny. His failed attempt testifies of America's early vision for America.

For someone to state that Revelation cannot be understood is to invalidate it's authenticity. You are then taking away from the words of Revelation.

How is it then that you would have any acceptance of my writings. And if no acceptance, no understanding, as you have already stated.
 
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And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father


The above who "shall rule with a rod of iron" is here in reference to the church. There are three that are mentioned as ruling with a rod of iron, the church, the male child/144,000 and the Lord Jesus. Rev.2:24 is to the "church" of Thyatira and therefore, here in this verse it is not speaking regarding the 144,000, but to all in the church who overcome.

Regarding Jesus not being the male child, you are correct. For Jesus does not fit the criteria of the male child.
 
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My last comment was for Angela.

As to Awatukee: You twist my words the same way that some twist the Apostle Pauls.
 

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Joseph Smith was going on incomplete knowledge which he had of a vision called Manifest Destiny. His failed attempt testifies of America's early vision for America.

For someone to state that Revelation cannot be understood is to invalidate it's authenticity. You are then taking away from the words of Revelation.

How is it then that you would have any acceptance of my writings. And if no acceptance, no understanding, as you have already stated.

I have great understanding of the Bible, including the difficulties of interpreting Revelation. That does NOT invalidate the book in any way, shape or form! But it does mean I am humble enough to admit that the book is mysterious, and no one has the real answers, at this time.

I have studied every end times scenerio, some in seminary and some after I graduated. I have read many books by scholars on Revelation, whom I trust more than I ever would someone who really does not have a clue about either eschatology or interpreting Revelation, or interpreting the Bible, for that matter. I do have end times views, or eschatology, but they are educated guesses, as my theology prof once said. Wisdom dictates with a book like Revelation, someone sitting at home, reading the book with no training or understanding of Bible interpretation is not likely going to be the one who comes up with the ultimate answers. Do you even read Greek? Greek is not necessary to know or follow God. But if you want to get into theology, then yes, you need a lot more training, including interpretation and the original langugages.

Witness your website. People need look no farther than that to realize you have gone off the deep end. Sorry to be so harsh, but I detest what I call "junk" theology.

That's my final comment.
 

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My last comment was for Angela.

As to Awatukee: You twist my words the same way that some twist the Apostle Pauls.
Please enlighten me as to where I twisted your words. My intention is to contend for the truth, not twist scripture, which is why I always provide scripture to support what I am saying.
 
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Angela: In order to understand God's word you have to have the Holy Spirit reveal it to you. If you don't understand that, then what was your education all about? Your own intellect?

God has revealed these things to babes. He uses the simple things if the world to confound the wise ( so called).

I have the Holy Spirit of Promise. Let me guess, your are a " Master of Divinity" ( God and His Word Jesus)!haha

Awatukee: I'll try to give you some leeway.

The youtube videos is a reference to an actual astronomical event taking place on Sept. 23,2017.

It is what it is!

But I value all reasonable comments and feed back. This should be a learning environment for everyone.
 
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Angela: is being "humble" what this is all about? Are you jealous?
 

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WHO IS THE “CHILD” OF REVELATION 12:1-5?

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[FONT=&]The Bible says in Revelation chapter 12: “[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a

woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,Israel

and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: The Twelve Tribes

[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Jesus Christ

[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon Satan

[COLOR="#FF8C00.....having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.[/COLOR][COLOR="#0000CD"]THe Beast as spoken in Revelation (antichrist)



[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
This is about the battle in heaven and Satan was thrown out along with 1/3 of the angels. During this period in Revelation 12, Satan knows he is running out of time (only 31/2 years to go and he is going to kill as many believers as he can.

and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. This was seen at the birth of Jesus Christ. Where Satan (through Herod and others)was trying to kill him before he became the Messiah Nagid and ascended to heaven as prophesied

[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: This is the same Jesus Christ who will run the Millennium with a Rod of Iron

and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”This is where Jesus ascended to Heaven and his throne.

All of this above is to tell the reader who the players are. Rem. The (original) Zodiac was put in the stars by God and each one tells the story from the beginning Genesis to the end Revelation. I say original because there has been another or two added to our school books by pagans.

Revelation 12 finds 'the woman' fleeing when the antichrist/Satan defiles the temple (Abomination of Desolation) by declaring he is God. the prophecy told the people to flee south to the mountains of Petri. Revelation tells us God protects them and feeds them. These are the vast majority of the Jewish people that survive the Great Tribulations or the last half of the 7 years of tribulations.

In contrast an earlier time in history (167 B.C.), the time of Antiochus IV ("Epiphanes") who desecrated the Temple that resulted in the Macabbe Revolt that threw off the yoke of the Seleucid Empire and was known afterwards as Hanukkah.

The destruction of the temple in 70AD was total and was on fire. A fire hot enough to melt the gold on the walls. This melting gold was the reason why this prophecy (by Jesus himself) of "There shall not be left here one stone upon another" was fulfilled (Mat 24 KJV). Because of the fire and the heat, NO Abomination of Desolation took place during this time period. The Abomination of Desolation as spoken in Revelation takes place in the future at the third temple.


Hope this helps
 

Ahwatukee

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The youtube videos is a reference to an actual astronomical event taking place on Sept. 23,2017.
Yes, they are youtube videos and should not be used to interpret the word of God. I simply use God's word to interpret scripture. You on the other hand do not, as you are using YouTube.

Now in regards to your claim that I twisted your words, you have not provided the proof in order to support that claim and that because I did not twist your words, but merely exposed your false teachings. That astronomical event that you are speaking of has nothing to do with the woman of Revelation.
 
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I'm not going to argue with you "Awatukee". What does that mean anyways?