The scriptures 2009

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Hizikyah

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Stunnedbygrace said:
And it isn't any certain word any man prefers to convey something that has convinced me Jesus is God. What convinced me of it was broader than any certain word. Rather than a word here or there, it was disparate verses when considered together. For instance, the 24 elders and the beings around the throne in Revelation saying all honor and glory and worship belong to the Lamb. And Jesus saying that if you have seen Him, you HAVE seen the Father. And many more verses that fit together to convince me. :)
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That is good to know, and about this verse I agree it makes perfect sense, especially when paired with some OT verses in Isaiah, but there are pother verses that seem otherwise. You know, the Most High is so complex, no man in the flesh and possibly no being ever may be able to fully quantify Him, He is infinite and eternal, we are all very simple compared to Him, an amazing thing to know and be a child of this Mighty One, the Almighty Strength, creator of the heavens and earth!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 95:1-3, “Come, let us sing to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! Let us raise a shout to the Rock of our salvation. Let us come before His face with thanksgiving; Let us raise a shout to Him in song. For [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is a great Strength, and a great Sovereign above all mighty ones.”[/FONT]
 
Willie-T

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Hizikyah said:
I have answered 3 times now. and becuse I am singled out continually for using His name it is like Im disliked because I do.
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No one is disliking you for that. If you want to do it... then, do it. Frankly, probably very few people care about you doing so. Just try not to tell others they have to do likewise, or they are somehow not showing God the proper respect.
 
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Hizikyah said:
Good to know, I have enjoyed your posts a number of time and thought you were pretty awesom to be hoinest. Its not fear of being disliked, it is not wantiong me to be falsely, wrongfully or improperly accused. I do feel Im disliked by some because I use His name, I have not got that vibe from you, but I have been told im disrespectful and even gotten private messages that had lots of !!!!!!!s and literally saying DO NOT!~ use! really crazy IMO, but I must obey YHWH not man. I do what I feel is right, I don't ever beleive anything or follow anything until I have fully 100% proven it with the word only, just because something is readily accepted as main stream or most people believe does not matter to me, I need to use the word to prove my beliefs to myslf or to even find what I beleive rather then just choose what I feel is ok. At times it has been hard, because I grew up in a common christian mindset, law done away, "the Lord" not YHWH, but through study I have use the word as my basis to found my belief. You should see when I meet people and use YHWH and Yahshua, some are ok weith it, some are joyed by it, some have literally asked me to leave or not say it. Lots of different views on the matter.
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Well...I think if you answer questions as honestly as you can when asked, instead of resisting for fear of being spoken badly of, then people who see your resistance as a shady guy in sunglasses and a trenchcoat :) will see that you are just being honest about where you currently are in your understanding of what you read. :)
 
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Willie-T said:
No one is disliking you for that. If you want to do it... then, do it. Frankly, probably very few people care about you doing so. Just try not to tell others they have to do likewise, or they are somehow not showing God the proper respect.
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Never has I told anyone they have to, yet without a doubt people have an issue with it, you may not, but others have messaged me and told me they have a problem with it.
 
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Hizikyah said:
That is good to know, and about this verse I agree it makes perfect sense, especially when paired with some OT verses in Isaiah, but there are pother verses that seem otherwise. You know, the Most High is so complex, no man in the flesh and possibly no being ever may be able to fully quantify Him, He is infinite and eternal, we are all very simple compared to Him, an amazing thing to know and be a child of this Mighty One, the Almighty Strength, creator of the heavens and earth!

Psalms 95:1-3, “Come, let us sing to יהוה! Let us raise a shout to the Rock of our salvation. Let us come before His face with thanksgiving; Let us raise a shout to Him in song. For יהוה is a great Strength, and a great Sovereign above all mighty ones.”
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There are always verses that seem to be in contradiction to others. No one could ever resolve it unless the SSpirit showed them how! :)
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Well...I think if you answer questions as honestly as you can when asked, instead of resisting for fear of being spoken badly of, then people who see your resistance as a shady guy in sunglasses and a trenchcoat :) will see that you are just being honest about where you currently are in your understanding of what you read. :)
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that is an unfair assessment of what I ahve said

I have answered and I choose not to answer in a simple fashion because

1. It is not a simple issue if one takes alll the word in to consideration, quantifying the Creator of all that is is not simple IMO.

2. Choosing to fully explain myself to guard against any twisting or mis appriation of my words is a right thing IMO. I belve you have seen peole twist others words here and in the world more than once...
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
I have heard mention of a translation called The Scriptures 2009. And I have heard some verses and tended to like the wording.
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Looks like this translation has nothing to do with the Watchtower Society. It is designed for Messianic Jews.
 
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Hizikyah said:
that is an unfair assessment of what I ahve said

I have answered and I choose not to answer in a simple fashion because

1. It is not a simple issue if one takes alll the word in to consideration, quantifying the Creator of all that is is not simple IMO.

2. Choosing to fully explain myself to guard against any twisting or mis appriation of my words is a right thing IMO. I belve you have seen peole twist others words here and in the world more than once...
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Yes, I have seen lots of word twisting in here.

What I was referring to is how people get suspicious if they think you are resisting answering something. They don't know what your reason for resisting answering is unless you tell them! :)
 
Hizikyah

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Stunnedbygrace said:
Yes, I have seen lots of word twisting in here.

What I was referring to is how people get suspicious if they think you are resisting answering something. They don't know what your reason for resisting answering is unless you tell them! :)
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OK I understand, I agree with whay you say also. and I know you already know this but some issues are much simipler and some very complex, I myself like to post a full view of scripture even on simple topics. As when I as studying myself I like to take all or at least a good number of verses all showing the same thing to form my beliefs., because it grants a better understanding of what is true IMO. also I honestly really enjoy the word, I want there to be more, it would be awesome if the Holy Scriptures were like 10-20 times as long, particularlyabout Yahshua/Jesus but I trust that Yah gave what we need to know and love what He has given.
 
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I think this would be a great thread to discuss verses that seem to contradict other ones. Maybe we will learn something with His help!:)
 
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Except I have to go now. :(
Its been good talking with this morning hiz. :)
 
trofimus

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Hizikyah said:
these are NT and undebatable IMo, unless one believes Mat was not originally written in Hebrew, but all the historical evidence shows it was

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39And as they were going to report to His taught ones, see, יהושע met them saying, “יהוה has saved you!” And they came and held Him by the feet and did bow to Him."

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!" (a quote/prophecy of Psalm 118:26)

Psalm 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."

The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,
Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)

Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)
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We have Greek New Testament. And if it was OK for apostles and the first church to use only "Lord" or "God", there is no need to return back to Jewish language.
 
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Hizikyah said:
Never has I told anyone they have to, yet without a doubt people have an issue with it, you may not, but others have messaged me and told me they have a problem with it.
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A friend once told me, "Some will, some won't. Some do, some don't. So what?". Good words to remember.
 
Hizikyah

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trofimus said:
We have Greek New Testament. And if it was OK for apostles and the first church to use only "Lord" or "God", there is no need to return back to Jewish language.
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Except Mattheew wrote his gospel in the Hebrew language, so it is truth not turing back.
 
Hizikyah

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Snoozy said:
all nt is in greek.
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The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,
Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)

Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)

Copies of it still exist today. There are also copies of John and Revelation that I know of in Hebrew.

 
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Hizikyah said:

Copies of it still exist today. There are also copies of John and Revelation that I know of in Hebrew.
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Thats interesting Hizikyah. Where are these copies and how old are they?
 
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