The Snake from The Garden
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Do not confuse death with ceasing to exist. Scripture NEVER speaks of death in this way. Scripture always represents death as a separation. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death is the separation of the soul from
God. This does not mean that soul ceases to exist. All humanity will experience eternity in either heaven or hell, but none will cease to exist.
God. This does not mean that soul ceases to exist. All humanity will experience eternity in either heaven or hell, but none will cease to exist.
The “Let us make...” is unique from all other acts of creation. This stands in contrast to the simple “Let there be...” events. This represents a higher level of created being. God himself becomes the blueprint for humanity. God follows the established creation principle. Everything in creation is charges to reproduce after its own kind. God utilizes this same principle in the creation of man. He creates a being that is like himself – an extension of himself. Man is of the same image/likeness and bears the same nature as his Creator. This of course begs the question, “How is man in the image of God?” To answer this we must first learn from scripture what constitutes the 'image' of God.
The nature of God must be understood as bi-cameral. Anything that is bi-cameral is two chambered. I have selected this term because I believe it most aptly describes how scripture portrays the essence and character of God.
1. Essence is what I regard as signature traits. These traits qualify God as God. Intrinsically, the essence of God is:
* Spirit * Ever-present * Immortal
* Holy * Eternal * Self-existing
* All-powerful * Invisible * Self-sustaining
* All-knowing * Unified * Transcendent
2. The character of God is what I would regard as extended attributes that define His moral integrity. The character of God is:
* Holy * Good * Faithful * Patient
* Righteous * Honest * Loving
* Just * Fair * Forgiving
* Pure * Consistent * Merciful
These are some of the qualities we find ascribed to God in scripture. Every attribute of essence and character that scripture assigns to God are assigned also to man as well. It must be understood that image and likeness does not relate to equality. As they relate to man they only differ in degree. “And God saw that it was very good.”
The nature of God must be understood as bi-cameral. Anything that is bi-cameral is two chambered. I have selected this term because I believe it most aptly describes how scripture portrays the essence and character of God.
1. Essence is what I regard as signature traits. These traits qualify God as God. Intrinsically, the essence of God is:
* Spirit * Ever-present * Immortal
* Holy * Eternal * Self-existing
* All-powerful * Invisible * Self-sustaining
* All-knowing * Unified * Transcendent
2. The character of God is what I would regard as extended attributes that define His moral integrity. The character of God is:
* Holy * Good * Faithful * Patient
* Righteous * Honest * Loving
* Just * Fair * Forgiving
* Pure * Consistent * Merciful
These are some of the qualities we find ascribed to God in scripture. Every attribute of essence and character that scripture assigns to God are assigned also to man as well. It must be understood that image and likeness does not relate to equality. As they relate to man they only differ in degree. “And God saw that it was very good.”
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I say, the body of flesh became a living soul, so how did the flesh become a living soul ? Because God gave the flesh soul a spiritual heart, as the soul and flesh are one and shall die when the spirit rises, as the soul itself is not immortal but the spiritual heart of the soul is immortal, as the laws of God is written in the spiritual heart.
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we can ONLY rely on our God Given Faith, that our Holy Saviour decides to give us on an individual basis,
when and where, like it or not...it's His MIND/SPIRIT and we can not access it at our will...
only He will impart to us what He wills, when He wills, and we have no choice but to comply and
accept Him at His Word, or NOT...
we can ONLY rely on our God Given Faith, that our Holy Saviour decides to give us on an individual basis,
when and where, like it or not...it's His MIND/SPIRIT and we can not access it at our will...
only He will impart to us what He wills, when He wills, and we have no choice but to comply and
accept Him at His Word, or NOT...
[h=3]Malachi 4:3 (KJV)[/h]
And ye shall tread down the wicked;
for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,
saith the Lord of hosts.
for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,
saith the Lord of hosts.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to
pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:54-57
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to
pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:54-57
Well the story states that the ""snake"" did not lose it's legs until after it deceived Eve.. Soooo when it decieved Eve it technically was not a snake yet...
But on a theological level what ever beast it was it was possessed by satan at the time..
But anyway the Book of Revelation ( which reveals a lot thus it is called the Book of Revelation) wraps things up and identifies the names and descriptions of satan in one verse..
Revelation 20 KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold onthe dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
That old serpent was the serpent in the garden of Eden..
But on a theological level what ever beast it was it was possessed by satan at the time..
But anyway the Book of Revelation ( which reveals a lot thus it is called the Book of Revelation) wraps things up and identifies the names and descriptions of satan in one verse..
Revelation 20 KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold onthe dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
That old serpent was the serpent in the garden of Eden..
As humans we want all the loose ends to be tied up to our satisfaction, however there many things in the scriptures that seem to go in different directions. When Jesus spoke of the people of Israel who ate the manna He said, that they ate the manna and they are dead. He did not say their body died and their soul was alive somewhere, He said that they are dead. God said to Adam, dust you are and to dust you shall return, He did not say your body will die and your soul will continue to live. On the other hand, the rich man who died went to hell and existed in torment. I really do not know, I find it hard to make the popular statement that humans will live forever no matter where they go because the lake of fire is called the second death. The bible says that humans can die and the bible says that angels cannot die. Most folks believe that humans will be tormented in the lake of fire forever...I am not sure. Death is destroyed in the lake of fire which means it exists no more, hell is destroyed in the lake of fire and that means it exists no more.
Where does the Bible say that angels cannot die? Just curious. I do however find it baffling that people seem to purport this idea that God is powerless to destroy something just because He created it. Also, Scripture does say that only God is immortal. Paul also explicitly says that we put on immortality. Do you know when that happens? It is after the resurrection and judgement of all. That tells me that we are not immortal as people assume and promote. Those who are to go into the Lake of Fire do not put on immortality. Life ever after is attained only through faith in the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the cross. If anything, that should be crystal clear to you 
Deceived by Satan who has no form. It was that form(serpent) in which he puts his words that drew Adam and Eve away from the voice of God who also has no form . (lust of the eye ,which produce the pride of life).
Was Baalams ass possessed by the Holy Spirit, same thing?
Its what he thinks he had to gain. God had other plans.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
He is the god of this world and is still drawing away men by seducing them walking by sight..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Was Baalams ass possessed by the Holy Spirit, same thing?
Its what he thinks he had to gain. God had other plans.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
He is the god of this world and is still drawing away men by seducing them walking by sight..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
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The story of Adam and Eve, the word snake is not there, it simply uses the word serpent and people assume the means snake, again it has nothing to do with a snake, Satan is like that of a snake, cunning and speaks with a forked tongue, as a snake has a forked tongue, as Satan knows the knowledge of good and evil, he speaks both, that he might deceive mankind, and he has done that, to the point people really believe that he was a talking snake.
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Hmm, nothing to do with a snake, yet you speak of a fork tongue representing satan, jk lol.. seriously your are correct the bible just says serpent could have been a lizard a worm, the tree could have been near water and a sea serpent appeared a eel etc..
The presence of a long, two-pointed, forked tongue helps you identify snakes. Snakes depend on their tongue for a great deal of information. They do not smell through their nostrils like mammals, rather they smell using their tongue to collect scents and then insert them into the roof of their mouth, where lies the Jacobson's organ. This organ helps interpret the different scents and guides snakes to potential food or mates, as well as away from potential danger. The tongue of a snake is not harmful.
The presence of a long, two-pointed, forked tongue helps you identify snakes. Snakes depend on their tongue for a great deal of information. They do not smell through their nostrils like mammals, rather they smell using their tongue to collect scents and then insert them into the roof of their mouth, where lies the Jacobson's organ. This organ helps interpret the different scents and guides snakes to potential food or mates, as well as away from potential danger. The tongue of a snake is not harmful.
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What I find interesting about the story is there is two levels of temptation that happen.
The first was direct contact between the serpent and Eve, the serpent was right in her face speaking to her..
The second being Eve told Adam about what the serpent said, a indirect temptation.
Could Adam have lusted after Eve and eat the friut also, I'm sure people have heard of folks that stay with people because of the sex or money etc..
or was he madly in love with Eve and placed Eve first before God. Because IMO in life God should be above all people in our listening and understanding of things spiritually and physically, even your spouses..
Or did in his mind found the friut interesting as well..
The first was direct contact between the serpent and Eve, the serpent was right in her face speaking to her..
The second being Eve told Adam about what the serpent said, a indirect temptation.
Could Adam have lusted after Eve and eat the friut also, I'm sure people have heard of folks that stay with people because of the sex or money etc..
or was he madly in love with Eve and placed Eve first before God. Because IMO in life God should be above all people in our listening and understanding of things spiritually and physically, even your spouses..
Or did in his mind found the friut interesting as well..
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Deceived by Satan who has no form. It was that form(serpent) in which he puts his words that drew Adam and Eve away from the voice of God who also has no form . (lust of the eye ,which produce the pride of life).
Was Baalams ass possessed by the Holy Spirit, same thing?
Its what he thinks he had to gain. God had other plans.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
He is the god of this world and is still drawing away men by seducing them walking by sight..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Was Baalams ass possessed by the Holy Spirit, same thing?
Its what he thinks he had to gain. God had other plans.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
He is the god of this world and is still drawing away men by seducing them walking by sight..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
While the body may be reduced to ashes this is not the total destruction of the man. Only the body is destroyed as the soul passes into eternity in one state or another. Yet, even though the body is destroyed, it shall one day be raised again. 1Cor 15. This is the promise of the resurrection. Man was fashioned for eternity.