The sons of God in genesis 6

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Who were the sons of God in genesis 6?


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#41
Even the Septuagint reads the sons of God in genesis 6 as being angels
Very nice, that's right.
 
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AnandaHya

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#42
Are angels always celestial beings or can they be human messangers of God? How is the word used?
 
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#43
Are angels always celestial beings or can they be human messangers of God? How is the word used?

Both,

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
 
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Crimeny

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#44
for a second there i thought the giants referred to dinosaurs haha
 
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Laodicea

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#45
A doctrine cannot be based on 1 text alone, if we look at the phrase sons of God in all the Bible as it should be done then who are the sons of God?
 
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#46
A doctrine cannot be based on 1 text alone, if we look at the phrase sons of God in all the Bible as it should be done then who are the sons of God?

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
 
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#47
What I find interesting is in the Heb. "Sons" is always in the "singular"
Builder of a family name.

In the Greek "Sons" is either child or "Son" singular

From what I get from this is: The first Adam, was a builder of a family Name (Nature)

The Last Adam: Is a Builder of a Family Name (Nature)

One is of the earth
One is from Above

Quite simple really.
Blessings
 
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Laodicea

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#48
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Yes this is how to understand a doctrine, take all the texts and put them together instead of taking one verse and telling people what it means
 
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CBM82

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#49
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
You could only "become" a son of God through Christ because we become a new creature which was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.....much like an angel. We are "born again" or you can translate it "born from above"

Before Christ no man had the right to be called a son of God except Adam because Adam was the only one made by the direct hand of God....he was the only one that was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Every man after was born of these things. Only in the new testament, post Christ, does the bible talk about believers being sons of God.
 
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#50
You could only "become" a son of God through Christ because we become a new creature which was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.....much like an angel. We are "born again" or you can translate it "born from above"

Before Christ no man had the right to be called a son of God except Adam because Adam was the only one made by the direct hand of God....he was the only one that was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Every man after was born of these things. Only in the new testament, post Christ, does the bible talk about believers being sons of God.
It looks like you are using your own reasoning to interpret the word of God. Where does it say in the Bible that before Christ no man had the right to be called a son of God?

God in the OT calls people my children
Exodus 13:15
(15) And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.
Ezekiel 16:19-21
(19) My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord GOD.
(20) Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
(21) That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
Deuteronomy 14:1
(1) Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

So then sons of God in the OT are followers of God



 
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CBM82

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#51
Adam is the only man in the old testament that fits the criteria of "was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God". Adam is also the only man in the old testament ever called a "son of God". We know it wasn't Adam in genesis 6.....So who else could fit the criteria? Only angels

The more I think about it, the more the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the angel theory
 
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Adam is the only man in the old testament that fits the criteria of "was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God". Adam is also the only man in the old testament ever called a "son of God". We know it wasn't Adam in genesis 6.....So who else could fit the criteria? Only angels
Did you read the texts I quoted from the OT? They were called children of God and being children of God they must be sons and daughters of God.
 
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You could only "become" a son of God through Christ because we become a new creature which was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.....much like an angel. We are "born again" or you can translate it "born from above"

Before Christ no man had the right to be called a son of God except Adam because Adam was the only one made by the direct hand of God....he was the only one that was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Every man after was born of these things. Only in the new testament, post Christ, does the bible talk about believers being sons of God.

Ahh, yeah, That's what I said.

Sons is singular son, not sons plural.


1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

One is from beneath, And One is from Above
 
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CBM82

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#54
Did you read the texts I quoted from the OT? They were called children of God and being children of God they must be sons and daughters of God.
I dont believe it is in the same sense though. I think there is a difference between "children of the Lord" and "sons of God". Why never "daughters of God" in the old testament? Were there no believing women? or is it because all angels in the bible are masculine
 
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CBM82

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#55
Would you call those "sons of God" that were with satan in job a pious bunch of believers? No, they were satans posse.
 
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Laodicea

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#56
I dont believe it is in the same sense though. I think there is a difference between "children of the Lord" and "sons of God". Why never "daughters of God" in the old testament? Were there no believing women? or is it because all angels in the bible are masculine
What matters is what the Bible says
 
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CBM82

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#57
What matters is what the Bible says
it is biblical fact that all angels mentioned are masculine. It is fact that being born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God was part of being a son of God in the new testament in a spiritual sense
 
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CBM82

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#58
I dont know, I feel like we are going in circles now. I have made my points. I'm 80 to 90% sure they were angels
 
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Laodicea

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#59
it is biblical fact that all angels mentioned are masculine. It is fact that being born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God was part of being a son of God in the new testament in a spiritual sense
Again your own words with no Bible to support your claim that sons of God in the OT are angels when I have showed you Bible showing that in the OT people were called children of God
 
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Laodicea

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#60
I dont know, I feel like we are going in circles now. I have made my points. I'm 80 to 90% sure they were angels
So you are not 100% sure so you have some doubt