The Tree of the knowledge of good and Evil

[babyboyblue]

I hope I didn't misunderstand your queries.

First; how does a tree have such incredible knowledge?Forever in Christ

The tree doesn't have the knowledge. Once they ate of it, they lost the light that covered them and they became aware of evil (Gen 3:7) because they committed it.

Second; how does a serpert (which are repulsive to many people) deceive 2 humans?

The deception was in the serpent having the ability to talk. This marveled Eve as she had not seen this before. As the serpent spoke she was mesmerized and Satan through the serpent was able to lead her on a path of self reason and to doubt God. He does this even today. He leads people to believe they are right when they are totally off.

Third; why is it neccassary for GOD after the incident in the garden, to do what He states He did in Gen: 4/15?

Are you referring to Gen 4:15 where God placed a mark on Cain, so no one would kill him? I personally don't see the correlation between these two events, but it was because all the world lost it's glory through Adam, Cain's father. When Cain left the garden and had to go on his own, word had already spread that Adam had sinned. Cain would've gotten dealt with had he gone unmarked into the world. Imagine this;

How would you feel if you were living in paradise and because of me, you had to leave paradise? Now you toiling the ground and sweating in the hot sun just to get something to eat. You look up and see my son coming strolling through your work area, How would you feel towards him?

 

[WeStand]

I hope I didn't misunderstand your queries.



The tree doesn't have the knowledge. Once they ate of it, they lost the light that covered them and they became aware of evil (Gen 3:7) because they committed it.



The deception was in the serpent having the ability to talk. This marveled Eve as she had not seen this before. As the serpent spoke she was mesmerized and Satan through the serpent was able to lead her on a path of self reason and to doubt God. He does this even today. He leads people to believe they are right when they are totally off.




Are you referring to Gen 4:15 where God placed a mark on Cain, so no one would kill him? I personally don't see the correlation between these two events, but it was because all the world lost it's glory through Adam, Cain's father. When Cain left the garden and had to go on his own, word had already spread that Adam had sinned. Cain would've gotten dealt with had he gone unmarked into the world. Imagine this;

How would you feel if you were living in paradise and because of me, you had to leave paradise? Now you toiling the ground and sweating in the hot sun just to get something to eat. You look up and see my son coming strolling through your work area, How would you feel towards him?

Hi BabyBlue; sorry about the mis-quote of the verse number, but i did write out the actual verse.

But YES there IS a HUGE co-relation between Gen: 3/15 and 4/15, now that you brought it up.

Assuming that you know Cain and Able were twins, God in 3/15 states that GOD put emnity between her-seed and the serpents-seed.

These are twins born in separate sacks, and the reason that GOD put the emnity between them IS, Because GOD does not accept a murderer as a son of His.

Remember were Christ tells off the scribes & pharasis; Ye are of YOUR father The Devil, and the deeds of YOUR father shall ye do.

Cain is the very first murderer that is recorded in GOD"S Word, and just look at what the scribes and pharisis ultimatley did to Christ

So ya, the mark of Cain still carries on today, those who do these deeds; Murdering/Raping/Abusing and selling their understanding of The Trurh about our Inner-Person.

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Hi BabyBlue; sorry about the mis-quote of the verse number, but i did write out the actual verse.

But YES there IS a HUGE co-relation between Gen: 3/15 and 4/15, now that you brought it up.

Assuming that you know Cain and Able were twins, God in 3/15 states that GOD put emnity between her-seed and the serpents-seed.

These are twins born in separate sacks, and the reason that GOD put the emnity between them IS, Because GOD does not accept a murderer as a son of His.

Remember were Christ tells off the scribes & pharasis; Ye are of YOUR father The Devil, and the deeds of YOUR father shall ye do.

Cain is the very first murderer that is recorded in GOD"S Word, and just look at what the scribes and pharisis ultimatley did to Christ

So ya, the mark of Cain still carries on today, those who do these deeds; Murdering/Raping/Abusing and selling their understanding of The Trurh about our Inner-Person.

Forever in Christ

Do you know who Arnold Murray of Shephards Chapel is?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Additonally. How do you propose, that a snake copulates with a female human?

I'd like to hear your explaination of that, Westand. No jokes about a snakes and phallic symbols either.

 

[WeStand]

Additonally. How do you propose, that a snake copulates with a female human?

I'd like to hear your explaination of that, Westand. No jokes about a snakes and phallic symbols either.

Are you really that blind Jimmy? or mabey its just that English is such a crappy D) languange to hear Truth in, who knows.

That IS my point exactly, how could a sepent put a SEED into a woman? though GOD could probabley do so, if He chose to; there IS NO point to it, Unlike some of His other rather strange miricles, that have a point.

Do you not UNDERSTAND that The Mystery of The Bible IS Transfiguration? I mean either you beleive or you don't.

It was NOT just Christ that was SEEN in one of these Spiritual Bodies, theres Elijah and Moses as well as an unknown to me, number of Angels.

Do you not beleive that YOU have one? or Not KNOW, that we Truly are Starseeds?

Lets see billions of stars, billions of people, billions of these Spiritual Bodies; Gee, i wonder where they are?

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Do you not beleive that YOU have one? or Not KNOW, that we Truly are Starseeds?

Lets see billions of stars, billions of people, billions of these Spiritual Bodies; Gee, i wonder where they are?

Forever in Christ

My spiritual parents are stars?


Sweet, science fiction can be rather creative.

 

[WeStand]

My spiritual parents are stars?


Sweet, science fiction can be rather creative.

Oh! now i get what a polytheist IS, its You, that would be a lot of parents Duh!

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Oh! now i get what a polytheist IS, its You, that would be a lot of parents Duh!

Forever in Christ

I'm not a polytheist. I do not believe in multiple gods. I am a trinitarian monotheist.

 

[WeStand]

I'm not a polytheist. I do not believe in multiple gods. I am a trinitarian monotheist.

Well gee, i don't know what on earth to say, i'd be happy for you, if you were happy, mabey you even are happy, who knows? you just sure don't come across as a happy person, to me anyways.

Me, i'm just the same old practising Christian that i've always been, forever getting myself in trouble, over the things that i say Oh Well Oh Well, such as it IS, in the shadows of the valleiys of death

Good-Luck Jimmy

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Well gee, i don't know what on earth to say, i'd be happy for you, if you were happy, mabey you even are happy, who knows? you just sure don't come across as a happy person, to me anyways.

Me, i'm just the same old practising Christian that i've always been, forever getting myself in trouble, over the things that i say Oh Well Oh Well, such as it IS, in the shadows of the valleiys of death

Good-Luck Jimmy

Forever in Christ

I advise you to not spread lies about the book of enoch, and the gospel of the twelve.

 

[WeStand]

I advise you to not spread lies about the book of enoch, and the gospel of the twelve.

Sorry Dud; NEVER have i taken advice from any man with the exception of some advice from my parents and a few close freinds.

Now that i have heard The Truth, i am even more stubborn than ever I only listen to the words of Get Over Death now.

See Jimmy, my whole life i have been looking for the reason why so many people, so willingly gave their lives for OTHER"S.

Though i beleived it had something to do with GOD, i was never given a sensible answer, so even though i stated many times that i would give my life for Christ, i truly wondered inside myself, that if the occasion ever arose, would i actually do it?

It was an uneasy feeling that haunted me and made me feel pretentious and insincere most of my life; as i had also stated my whole life that i WOULD NOT go to war for this Country, as i never have agreed with its leaders.

Now from hearing the Words of Get Over Death with understanding, I STILL wouldn't give my life for this country, But i do UNDERSTAND why the previous generations did, and IF i was born in their times, i'm certain that i would have too, IF, i KNEW what i now KNOW and NOT just beleive; and let me assure you these people KNEW enough to do so.

You really should meditate upon Ecclesiastes Ch;7 verse 1 for a while and read it SLOWLY and in KNOWING that these are words of TRUTH.

Or think about the statement Christ said rather offhandedly, WHY shouldn't you willingly give your flesh life, After all, it IS only your reasonable service after all.

All my life i have always been one that beleived that i would give my life to protect the innocent & helpless or to defend myself; however, one thing changed in me about this, AFTER hearing The Truth; though i would still give my life for the above mentioned, i would NOT attempt to defend myself anymore from physical harm, IF i was between the porch and the alter (or on duty speaking TRUTH, just like the example of St.Stephen.) as this is an OPPURTUNITY at a righteous exit from here, and i would'nt
miss that ticket for anything.

Too bad that you side with relgion at this time, though in any other generation from 1948 and before, i would also have sided with the christan religion stance, and in knowing that some of these people are still with us, i will have to interject a statement towards them, as i have NO RIGHT to offend them, as they are the STRONGEST of the FaithKeepers; However those that are born after 1948 are FaithDefenders, and we are not only going to DEFEND this Faith St Stephen Style; But being the children of the generation of GOD"S GRACE & MERCY, there WILL NOT be a single hair on our heads touched; GOD'S PROMISE. (IF you Love, Trust and Beleive His Words)

Face REALITY Jimmy, The Truth has NEVER been for-sale and those that solicit money representing Christ, well i'll protect my spirit and pass on my comment.

So to ALL the FaithKeeper's born 1948 and before; that are with us, and to ALL the others who have already Passed-Over; Thank-You for Keeping The Faith in GOD through Christ; And for ALWAY"S being Honest with me, when i asked them for answer's, they always replied appropiatly in telling me that we can not know ALL things.

However; now that the blindness is OVER, this IS no longer True; just as Christ stated, I have FORETOLD you ALL things; so you CAN know IF you follow His instructions in doing so and NOT the Tradtions of YOUR ForeFathers.

Circumsize YOUR MIND with The Father's His-Story, that was both Affirmed and Confirmed in and through Jesus The Christ/Yeshua Messiah, The Begining (OT) & The End (NT)

Anyway this is getting to be long and boring, in knowing that your probably are just going to slice it to ribbons anyways Have Fun

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Anyway this is getting to be long and boring, in knowing that your probably are just going to slice it to ribbons anyways Have Fun

Forever in Christ

Sola Scriptura. It would help remove some of the false things you believe. Especially in regards to the Gospel of the holy twelve, and the book of enoch.

 

[WeStand]

Sola Scriptura. It would help remove some of the false things you believe. Especially in regards to the Gospel of the holy twelve, and the book of enoch.

To each their own, To me, whatever Sola Scriptura is to you; To me it's TORAH ALL THE WAY. The Prophecy of Christ/Yeshua; From Yours Truly, The Father; YAHAVAH, NOT Yeshua Messiah who came to Fufill THAT PROPHECY .

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

To each their own, To me, whatever Sola Scriptura is to you; To me it's TORAH ALL THE WAY. The Prophecy of Christ/Yeshua; From Yours Truly, The Father; YAHAVAH, NOT Yeshua Messiah who came to Fufill THAT PROPHECY .

Forever in Christ

Do you read the New Testament? That would help clarify what you mean by "Torah all the way". Also, keep in mind, the Book of Enoch and the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, were never apart of the TORAH.

 

[WeStand]

Do you read the New Testament? That would help clarify what you mean by "Torah all the way". Also, keep in mind, the Book of Enoch and the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, were never apart of the TORAH.

Jimmy; remember how old i am and the fact that i was raised christian from birth.

Have i read the NT? read it many times and still do regularly, let alone had it preached to me, in at least 6 different flavours, kept my faith in it, throughout my numerous tribulations, in rebuking (in ignorance) ALL the things that didn't make sense to me.

I really at times like this wish i was a teacher, but i am not, and i know that i will never be, because that is not my gift or duty for Christ, i am simply a witness to some of the highlights, in which i know are truth, from The Word in language in which it was received in, to the people He chose to give it to.

And what were they to do with this WORD, spread it around the world, i think the plan is going well, according to how its written, it hasn't missed one beat in time.

Pretty much a christian church at this time on every corner, in every village, town and city, from Jerusalum to Russia.

This was the work of the Faithkeepers, and very well done indeed, i must say but this was the time of adopting Nations, and there is no Nation that has been left unturned at this time, just a LOT of GOD"S children in them, being terribly abused.

Same story over and over through The Word, right up to the Halucaust, and if you cannot see that same pattern evolving AGAIN, only this time, IN EVERY NATION, then i guess that you just don't know, no big deal, your what 19?

You see, there is another pattern to follow in GOD"S Word, and that is that every blessing that God promised to a chosen one, it was always the next generation that received it, with the message being two-fold, no one except Christ, ever got their whole duty done correctly, but the further back you go, the more guilty the people were at whatever it was exactly that transpired before it became necsasary for each one of us, to be carnated ONCE, into the flesh, born innocent of woman. (ignorant/amnesia)

We are to learn from these errors, and NOT make them ourselves, paticularly in the time of OUR FATHER"S BIGGEST HOPE, the MORE Children WE gather, the MERRIER He Will Be, as well as The Son, The Holy Spirit and ALL the Angel's in Heaven.

Only ONE thing that i KNOW of that separates people more than anything else and that IS; PREJUDISM in ANY form.

The Father stated that; ALL souls belong to ME. He does NOT lie, and this IS NOT a difficult statement to understand.

Ya, things ARE really that bad All He Wants from US ALL, EVERYONE in the World EVERYWHERE, is to not just recognize where this creation came from, But EVERY single solitary person in it.

The SAME place Christ did; Because This Earth was ORIGINALLY created for The First Beggoten Child of GOD, and His Family grows and multiplys Forever

The Torah you must know by now; IS The Covenant made in Love, through the Families of Abraham, Issiac and of course Jacob/Israel; Along with the 10 Commandments of Law from Moses; (stuck inti the side of the Ark of The Covenant in Love) due to the fact that 1: the children could not OBEY the First 2 He Gave them (The SAME 2 Christ Confirmed)

And 2: That Israel understood their instructions Fully & Completely before moving Ahead to claim the populated land blessings that were promised to Jacob, but received of, by the next generations, The 12 Paithriacal Fathers, Jacobs sons & Jacobs grandchildren .

EVERY NATION in the world were Gentile Nations at that time , except Judeah, why? Judah means Praise, and the Truth was received in the Land of Praise, and the Truth SHALL Prevail in Praise/Judah

Question IS, who are you praising? Christ the Son or Get Over Death The Father, who gave Christ to US, to Praise HIM, The FATHER, In and Through.

Christ gave His life, So that WE, being the sinners that we are, could have this Privilage, IF we follow Christs instructions.

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy; remember how old i am and the fact that i was raised christian from birth.

Have i read the NT? read it many times and still do regularly, let alone had it preached to me, in at least 6 different flavours, kept my faith in it, throughout my numerous tribulations, in rebuking (in ignorance) ALL the things that didn't make sense to me.

I really at times like this wish i was a teacher, but i am not, and i know that i will never be, because that is not my gift or duty for Christ, i am simply a witness to some of the highlights, in which i know are truth, from The Word in language in which it was received in, to the people He chose to give it to.

And what were they to do with this WORD, spread it around the world, i think the plan is going well, according to how its written, it hasn't missed one beat in time.

Pretty much a christian church at this time on every corner, in every village, town and city, from Jerusalum to Russia.

This was the work of the Faithkeepers, and very well done indeed, i must say but this was the time of adopting Nations, and there is no Nation that has been left unturned at this time, just a LOT of GOD"S children in them, being terribly abused.

Same story over and over through The Word, right up to the Halucaust, and if you cannot see that same pattern evolving AGAIN, only this time, IN EVERY NATION, then i guess that you just don't know, no big deal, your what 19?

You see, there is another pattern to follow in GOD"S Word, and that is that every blessing that God promised to a chosen one, it was always the next generation that received it, with the message being two-fold, no one except Christ, ever got their whole duty done correctly, but the further back you go, the more guilty the people were at whatever it was exactly that transpired before it became necsasary for each one of us, to be carnated ONCE, into the flesh, born innocent of woman. (ignorant/amnesia)

We are to learn from these errors, and NOT make them ourselves, paticularly in the time of OUR FATHER"S BIGGEST HOPE, the MORE Children WE gather, the MERRIER He Will Be, as well as The Son, The Holy Spirit and ALL the Angel's in Heaven.

Only ONE thing that i KNOW of that separates people more than anything else and that IS; PREJUDISM in ANY form.

The Father stated that; ALL souls belong to ME. He does NOT lie, and this IS NOT a difficult statement to understand.

Ya, things ARE really that bad All He Wants from US ALL, EVERYONE in the World EVERYWHERE, is to not just recognize where this creation came from, But EVERY single solitary person in it.

The SAME place Christ did; Because This Earth was ORIGINALLY created for The First Beggoten Child of GOD, and His Family grows and multiplys Forever

The Torah you must know by now; IS The Covenant made in Love, through the Families of Abraham, Issiac and of course Jacob/Israel; Along with the 10 Commandments of Law from Moses; (stuck inti the side of the Ark of The Covenant in Love) due to the fact that 1: the children could not OBEY the First 2 He Gave them (The SAME 2 Christ Confirmed)

And 2: That Israel understood their instructions Fully & Completely before moving Ahead to claim the populated land blessings that were promised to Jacob, but received of, by the next generations, The 12 Paithriacal Fathers, Jacobs sons & Jacobs grandchildren .

EVERY NATION in the world were Gentile Nations at that time , except Judeah, why? Judah means Praise, and the Truth was received in the Land of Praise, and the Truth SHALL Prevail in Praise/Judah

Question IS, who are you praising? Christ the Son or Get Over Death The Father, who gave Christ to US, to Praise HIM, The FATHER, In and Through.

Christ gave His life, So that WE, being the sinners that we are, could have this Privilage, IF we follow Christs instructions.

Forever in Christ

I really have no clue what any of this is supposed to mean. I would really appreciate it if you could explain.

 

[WeStand]

I really have no clue what any of this is supposed to mean. I would really appreciate it if you could explain.

Sorry Jimmy; i just did, the best i could like i said, i wish i was a teacher, then i would be able to explain it better.

I really don't take you very seriously, and i know that you know, that it is a struggle for me to get these posts done on here.

Nobody like a long and exhaustive post, and the last one is definitly bordering on it.

Personally i think your toying with me, as i find it difficult to swallow, that you didn't understand any of that.

We are ALL responsible to hear The Father and The Son's His-Story's ourselves, at least at this time.

You know, at the time, when Israel was in its infancy, it was not a commen thing for a person to be able to read and write and the ones who could, were greatly admired and respected.

They learned by gathering together, and listened to the ones who could read and write, BECAUSE; they were reading God's Word to them. How do you think they knew that there was a coming Messiah?

And here's a kicker for you; when Yeshua shows up, its the so=called ignorant ones, that only listened, that were smart enough to follow Him, most of the scribes and pharasies rejected Christ

How important is it to hear? you have to decide for yourself, but i'll remind you of an OT story; there is one place in the OT, that Israel was instructed to store up enough supplies for 7 years.

And when they had, they were then instructed to go gather themselves into groups, and listen to the few educated amongst them, that could read, read God's Word; NOT SERMONS (Preaching, this is for amongt themselves, AFTER they heard it.)

To Hear The Father, His-Storys, you must hear them in the Hebrew understanding, ANY other language that you hear it in, though you will hear some truth, it will always be at least slightly distorted, which is why there is so much division amongst us.

One way i thought of, to give you an example of some sort is this; The Hebrew Torah in which the Jews received, was like a brand new DVD of your favorite Movie, Crystal clear, perfect.

And because you gave it to someone else to enjoy and they gave it to someone else etc...it eventually becomes so scratched-up that as it goes around, the people start missing certain parts, to the point that later, when you meet someone new, and the subject of your favorite movie comes up; you get all excited and ask, did you see that movie? what about the part when so & so did this and that?

They look at you kind of dumbfounded, and say i doin't remember that part. You look back at them kinda dumbfounded saying, how could you not remember that part, its one of the highlights of the movie.

The Reality being that the person only saw a used copy that was scratched up, and in fact didn't even see the part, So you fill him in, and suggest to him that he should find a new copy that isn't all scratched up of an old movie, So that he can enjoy it with clarity.

See now you know why i'm NOT a teacher

But this is the best analogy that i can come up with to try to help you understand the difference between the Hebrew and the English.

Reading, listening and learning about God in English, was like a badly used DVD, compared to the Hebrew, which IS crystal clear and perfect; peacable and easy to entreat.(understand )

Forever in Christ

 

[serpentslayer]

2knowhim,
This is the way i interpret the scriptures concerning the 'forbidden
tree'.

The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil is one of the two trees
that the Lord God planted in the center of the Garden of Eden,
which is an eternal place. And its name spoke of the Conscience of
Adam, for as long as Adam came near the tree but did not eat from it,
his conscience told him that he was doing good (obeying); however,
once he ate (even the very second he did so), his conscience convicted
him of doing (gain the knowledge of) evil. And for this act, he (and
Eve) immediately died a spiritual death, as was the promise. Certainly
he died many hundreds of years later also, but this was never spoke
of in the Commandment. He died a physical death because he lost the
right to access the fruit from the other tree in the center of the Garden
(the one which had no name as far as Adam was concerned, but he
could freely eat from), which is the Tree of Life. OF course, since
Adam did not know its name, he could not know that it was the seal
of the promise to Adam of a perpetual life, as long as Adam obeyed
the Commandment.

But let me say one other thing. The two trees in the center of the
Garden are both the Tree of Life (Gen 2:9, Rev 22:1-2); therefore,
since both trees bare the same fruit at the same time (there are 12),
and, since Adam could freely eat from the one, the the Lord God did
not tempt Adam by putting before him something he could not have,
and Adam gave up the world and life (for all of us, even Jesus) for
something he already had ( a simple piece of fruit) Remember: Adam
could in no way be deceived as Eve was because the Lord God told
him the TRUTH (it is impossible to deceive someone who knows and believe in the TRUTH).

Let me ask you a question: is Eve speaking the Truth to the serpent in
her response to his question (rhetorical)? If not, who told her what
she knew?
to his

 

[2knowhim]

Hi Serpentslayer,

You asked, ....( Let me ask you a question: is Eve speaking the Truth to the serpent in
her response to his question (rhetorical)? If not, who told her what
she knew?)

To the best of her knowledge I think she did, although she did add the word touch to it.
My understanding is that Eve was a picture or reflection of what was in Adam.

What I mean is....His desires, his emotions, his lack of understanding.
Now as far as Truth goes, I don't think Adam had grown to that point when all of this
came down.

Just because The Lord tells us somthing does not mean we fully comprehend the meaning
until we walk it out, or until it becomes inworked in us.

This is the state that I believe Adam was in, imature, childlike, Eve was in him, when God spoke
to him.

So I think she displayed Adams understanding of what God said.
And I may be put over the coals for saying this but, the serpent I think was in His mind.
It's what we call the Carnal mind, our own understanding the thing which we are not suppose
to lean on.

But like I said at this point of Adams growth, I think he did the best he could with what he had.
Not born in sin, but not fully mature either in God.

I still see that tree as the Law, for without the Law their is no KNOWLEDGE of sin.

Blessings

 

[serpentslayer]

Eat from all but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, else if you do you will die
is a simple commandment that even a child can understand. You base your beliefs
upon what you think is the Truth, not upon the Word of God or the rightful-dividing of it
(sound doctrine). No disrespect intended, only constructive criticism. You would well to
believe the Word.

You are way to lenient on Adam, and should read Romans 5 to get a better perspective
on the man. But, you were rght when you said the serpent was in Adam's head,
because Adam is the serpent, who is Satan and the the devil: and he became these
when he told Eve the lie that they could not touch the F.fruit.

And the fruit is fruit according to Jesus (Rev2:7), because it is something HE will
give to those worthy of Paradise (the Garden of Eden) in the End.