The True Identity of the 144,000 of the Book of Revelation
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Morning posthuman,
Here is the distinction according to the scripture:
From the twelve tribes of Israel -- vs. -- From every nation, tribe, people and language
I heard the number of them 144,000 -- vs -- a great multitude that no one could count
The above are obvious distinctions. The only way that this is not obvious is if one ignores what is literally written and spiritualizes/symbolizes the above, which is unwarranted.
Your claim above does not constitute throwing out the literal meaning of the individual identities give to each group, nor the difference in their assigned numbers. No one said that the list of the twelve tribes in Revelation has to match the order given everywhere else in scripture. And it certainly doesn't constitute a symbolic/spiritual interpretation. Also keep in mind that, the word "Apokalupsis" translated "Revelation" is defined as "an unveiling, uncovering" and that because the information was previously unknown because it was veiled, covered.
:hrmm: whew lucky for us that those two
went to the elders
and by the way
we as children cant dispute against them
for there so many things that we dont know and
they are the one who almost had half of what is written literally
and the other half is spiritually
~;> AND A GOOD CHILDREN IS A GOOD FOLLOWER
OF THOSE WHO SERVES UNTO THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS GOOD
AND CANNOT LIE
. ... and this is how i see in my own vision (may god help us)
about those 144,000
are the innocent people during the ancient time
and
the multitude are those remaining people from the ancient time who with those people now who are also a good people
that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands
as it is written
:read:
Pahayag: 20. 4.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
... . and
during those ancient times
not many knows about our lord christ jesus our saviour
the only begotten son of god
but now in our present time everyone knows that
went to the elders
and by the way
we as children cant dispute against them
for there so many things that we dont know and
they are the one who almost had half of what is written literally
and the other half is spiritually
~;> AND A GOOD CHILDREN IS A GOOD FOLLOWER
OF THOSE WHO SERVES UNTO THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS GOOD
AND CANNOT LIE
. ... and this is how i see in my own vision (may god help us)
about those 144,000
are the innocent people during the ancient time
and
the multitude are those remaining people from the ancient time who with those people now who are also a good people
that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands
as it is written
:read:
Pahayag: 20. 4.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
... . and
during those ancient times
not many knows about our lord christ jesus our saviour
the only begotten son of god
but now in our present time everyone knows that
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I know for a fact i will not be one of the 144,000!
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.
If i live long enough i will be taken up before the 144,000 appear!
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.
If i live long enough i will be taken up before the 144,000 appear!
The 144,000 are all Israel from the first resurrection when Jesus rose. They would be; Jacob, Moses, John the Baptist, etc.
The multitude that no man could number is all non Israelites who were taken to heaven with Jesus at His resurrection. they would be; Adam, Able, Noah, etc.
The mark of the beast, which is the mark of Caesar was already in use at the time of John the Baptist.
These all went to heaven with Jesus and were in heaven in 96 Ad when John saw these visions.
The multitude that no man could number is all non Israelites who were taken to heaven with Jesus at His resurrection. they would be; Adam, Able, Noah, etc.
The mark of the beast, which is the mark of Caesar was already in use at the time of John the Baptist.
These all went to heaven with Jesus and were in heaven in 96 Ad when John saw these visions.
Yeah, God's Word in more than one place reveals Christ's Church made up of both believing Israelites by birth, and believing Gentiles (Romans 11 is one of many Scriptures).
So why can't folks figure out when reading Revelation 7 that the same TWO groups are being presented as being 'sealed' for the end?
When Rev.7 begins speaking of the "great multitude", which represents the believing Gentiles, it doesn't associate the idea of their being 'sealed' like it does earlier in the chapter with the 144,000 out of the tribes of Israel. However, does that mean the "great multitude" is not sealed with God's seal, which the sealing is by The Holy Spirit? (Ephesians 4:30)
The 144,000 represent all Israelites, believers on Christ, sealed by The Holy Spirit.
The "great multitude" also represent those sealed by The Holy Spirit, but of the Gentiles.
Are those two groups apart for the tribulation, or together? They are 'together', as they both make up Christ's Church for the end.
In the latter part of Rev.7, John is asked where those from the great multitude standing before Christ came from, and that's where their having been 'sealed' also is shown. John is told they came out of "great tribulation" and washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of The Lamb (Jesus). That means they went through... the great tribulation and overcame.
This is why we are shown two saved groups in Rev.14 and 15, singing a song, for the time after Jesus has returned. Both groups are about the saved of Christ's Church, after Jesus's return.
So why can't folks figure out when reading Revelation 7 that the same TWO groups are being presented as being 'sealed' for the end?
When Rev.7 begins speaking of the "great multitude", which represents the believing Gentiles, it doesn't associate the idea of their being 'sealed' like it does earlier in the chapter with the 144,000 out of the tribes of Israel. However, does that mean the "great multitude" is not sealed with God's seal, which the sealing is by The Holy Spirit? (Ephesians 4:30)
The 144,000 represent all Israelites, believers on Christ, sealed by The Holy Spirit.
The "great multitude" also represent those sealed by The Holy Spirit, but of the Gentiles.
Are those two groups apart for the tribulation, or together? They are 'together', as they both make up Christ's Church for the end.
In the latter part of Rev.7, John is asked where those from the great multitude standing before Christ came from, and that's where their having been 'sealed' also is shown. John is told they came out of "great tribulation" and washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of The Lamb (Jesus). That means they went through... the great tribulation and overcame.
This is why we are shown two saved groups in Rev.14 and 15, singing a song, for the time after Jesus has returned. Both groups are about the saved of Christ's Church, after Jesus's return.
as it is written:read:
1 Corinto: 15. 47.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
. ... so as it is written
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Genesis: 12. 1.
For thine incorruptible Spirit is in all things.
2. Therefore chastenest thou them by little and little that offend, and warnest them by putting them in remembrance wherein they have offended, that leaving their wickedness they may believe on thee, O Lord.
3. For it was thy will to destroy by the hands of our fathers both those old inhabitants of thy holy land,
4. Whom thou hatedst for doing most odious works of witchcrafts, and wicked sacrifices;
5. And also those merciless murderers of children, and devourers of man's flesh, and the feasts of blood,
6. With their priests out of the midst of their idolatrous crew, and the parents, that killed with their own hands souls destitute of help:
7. That the land, which thou esteemedst above all other, might receive a worthy colony of God's children.
8. Nevertheless even those thou sparedst as men, and didst send wasps, forerunners of thine host, to destroy them by little and little.
9. Not that thou wast unable to bring the ungodly under the hand of the righteous in battle, or to destroy them at once with cruel beasts, or with one rough word:
10. But executing thy judgments upon them by little and little, thou gavest them place of repentance, not being ignorant that they were a naughty generation, and that their malice was bred in them, and that their cogitation would never be changed.
11. For it was a cursed seed from the beginning; neither didst thou for fear of any man give them pardon for those things wherein they sinned.
12. For who shall say, What hast thou done? or who shall withstand thy judgment? or who shall accuse thee for the nations that perish, whom thou made? or who shall come to stand against thee, to be revenged for the unrighteous men?
13. For neither is there any God but thou that careth for all, to whom thou mightest shew that thy judgment is not unright.
14. Neither shall king or tyrant be able to set his face against thee for any whom thou hast punished.
15. Forsomuch then as thou art righteous thyself, thou orderest all things righteously: thinking it not agreeable with thy power to condemn him that hath not deserved to be punished.
16. For thy power is the beginning of righteousness, and because thou art the Lord of all, it maketh thee to be gracious unto all.
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godbless us all aiways
Hello abcdef,
The 144,000 are the first fruits to God out of Israel who will have acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah. They have not yet been revealed nor have they been sealed. They will be sealed during that last seven years and will be caught up to God and His throne in the middle of the seven (Rev.12:5). This will take place just after Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth.
The multitude which no man can count are the saints that come out of the great tribulation period of which many will be killed for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God, who will not have worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. These are those that John sees who are beheaded and then resurrected, as demonstrated in Rev.20:4-6.
The mark of the beast is a specific, future device that will go under the skin of the hand or forehead and will take the place of electronic crediting and debiting via card swiping and the use of phone apps., which are currently in use for electronic crediting and debiting. And without it, no one will be able to buy or sell (credit and debit). The reason for this I believe, is because cash, checks cards, phone apps. and all other forms of crediting and debiting ones bank account will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark as a way of making electronic financial transactions.
That can't be possible and that because scripture states that the only ones who are exempt from the plague of those locust demons are those who are sealed, which would only be those 144,000 and which would demonstrate that they are still upon the earth during at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. Also, the beast is given power to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints, which also demonstrates that they will be on the earth during that last 3 1/2 years.
These are yet future events.
The 144,000 are the first fruits to God out of Israel who will have acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah. They have not yet been revealed nor have they been sealed. They will be sealed during that last seven years and will be caught up to God and His throne in the middle of the seven (Rev.12:5). This will take place just after Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth.
The multitude which no man can count are the saints that come out of the great tribulation period of which many will be killed for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God, who will not have worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. These are those that John sees who are beheaded and then resurrected, as demonstrated in Rev.20:4-6.
The mark of the beast is a specific, future device that will go under the skin of the hand or forehead and will take the place of electronic crediting and debiting via card swiping and the use of phone apps., which are currently in use for electronic crediting and debiting. And without it, no one will be able to buy or sell (credit and debit). The reason for this I believe, is because cash, checks cards, phone apps. and all other forms of crediting and debiting ones bank account will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark as a way of making electronic financial transactions.
That can't be possible and that because scripture states that the only ones who are exempt from the plague of those locust demons are those who are sealed, which would only be those 144,000 and which would demonstrate that they are still upon the earth during at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. Also, the beast is given power to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints, which also demonstrates that they will be on the earth during that last 3 1/2 years.
These are yet future events.
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In heavens dealing,last is first and first is last.
Jesus first miracle is his last miracle.
Jews at a wedding.
That is WHY is was said "... But you saved the best for last"
144k Jews are first fruits. Those harvested by Jesus with a sickle immediately follow. Both groups DURING THE GT.
Rev 14.
The Jews are the last to be seated at the marriage supper.
But,they ARE there. So is EVERY SINGLE BELIEVER.
Jesus first miracle is his last miracle.
Jews at a wedding.
That is WHY is was said "... But you saved the best for last"
144k Jews are first fruits. Those harvested by Jesus with a sickle immediately follow. Both groups DURING THE GT.
Rev 14.
The Jews are the last to be seated at the marriage supper.
But,they ARE there. So is EVERY SINGLE BELIEVER.