The True Meaning of Glorification

[ukok102nak]

:hrmm: as it is written
:read:
Exodo: 7. 1. And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3. And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

~;> IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD THAT MADE MOSES AS A GOD
BECAUSED ALL THAT MOSES SAID UNTO THE PHARAO BECOMES THE REALITY
WITHIN THAT TIME AND PLACE AND THIS ARE ALL TRUE
AS TRUE AS THE WORD OF GOD WHO ALSO SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 1. 3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[miknik5]

If you don't remember who was
Jesus mouthpiece you can refer back to Deiteronomy regarding this

 

[ukok102nak]

:hrmm: perhaps the author of this thread wants to tell everyone
that adam is the human who has the face of the god
literally
though adam looks more . ...

 

[FreeNChrist]

God's glory is His perfect holy character. Which Jesus perfectly reflected as a man, and which we will likewise perfectly reflect in our glorification.

 

[miknik5]

That clearly and simply says it...

 

[pappq]

Adam was NOT as God
Moses was "as God"

You are NOT allowed to add to God's Word what is Not in God's Word

Please don't suggest to people what God said when HE didn't say it

thanks

To be in the image of God is to be as God. Do you not know that even the elect are being conformed to the image of Christ, who is the image of God,

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. (Romans 8:29 [NIV])

And the elect, in similar fashion as Adam was given authority to rule as God rules, and Jesus Christ also given authority as God rules, they too will be given authority to rule over the earth and to judge,

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations-- (Revelation 2:26 [NIV])

Or do you not know that the Lord's people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? (1 Corinthians 6:2 [NIV])

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! (1 Corinthians 6:3 [NIV])

God has chosen to have representations of himself on the earth, to whom he calls "sons". And he is thus glorified through whom he has given authority to rule and to judge.

 

[p_rehbein]

God's glory is His perfect holy character. Which Jesus perfectly reflected as a man, and which we will likewise perfectly reflect in our glorification.

Agreed, but, IF I am reading the OP correctly, we need to STRESS that the glory of Jesus was from the beginning, as He is fully God, God the Son. The OP seems to suggest (as I read it) that Jesus was not/is not fully God.

I don't know if this is a back door thread trying to denounce the Holy Trinity or not. I admit, the OP was a bit confusing to me.

God bless

 

[miknik5]

To be in the image of God is to be as God. Do you not know that even the elect are being conformed to the image of Christ, who is the image of God,


And the elect, in similar fashion as Adam was given authority to rule as God rules, and Jesus Christ also given authority as God rules, they too will be given authority to rule over the earth and to judge,






God has chosen to have representations of himself on the earth, to whom he calls "sons". And he is thus glorified through whom he has given authority to rule and to judge.

Only to whom THE WORD of GOD has come...
That's the clincher...but the work of sanctification is the WORK of the ONE who sanctifies and indeed sanctified HIMSELF for us.

For apart from HIM?
What can we do?
Can we, apart from HIM, make ourselves HOLY?

NEVER!
Which is why HE will declare even our names before the assembly...

 

[miknik5]

GOD has called WITNESSES who testify of THE SON to the very GLORY of GOD..

 

[miknik5]

Sir?
Adam is under submission to THE SON OF GOD.
THE SON OF GOD...
Who had to descend so as to ascend so as to fill all things so as to be before all things and have preeminence over all things created.

TRULY, TRULY, TRULY:

No man can come to the FATHER except THROUGH THE SON...

All, who are called who will believe THE TRUTH, are being gathered up in ONE in THE BODY of THE SON...and when all has been accomplished, when all that is being made subject to the SON has been completed (and the full numbers in CHRIST are complete) then will the SON turn back to THE FATHER HIS KINGDOM...so that GOD may be all and in all.

It's just that not all are in THE KINGDOM...yet...
And that is why THE GOSPEL is preached as a witness and a testimony of JESUS CHRIST.

Man was created and he was supposed to have dominion over all things and to subdue all things?
Can you show me where man has subdued ANYTHING?

But the SON will...and all of creation is waiting by THAT HOPE that the ONE who is THEIR HOPE OF GLORY will make all things new...

 

[pappq]

Only to whom THE WORD of GOD has come...
That's the clincher...but the work of sanctification is the WORK of the ONE who sanctifies and indeed sanctified HIMSELF for us.

For apart from HIM?
What can we do?
Can we, apart from HIM, make ourselves HOLY?

NEVER!
Which is why HE will declare even our names before the assembly...

None can do anything of himself, as none are able to truly please God of themselves, as we are all born into sin and enslaved into its desires, which Paul calls the "flesh". This is why we must all be born from above, meaning to be reborn in spirit, to thus be freed from sin, as even Paul affirmed being set free from sin and also the "flesh",

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. (Romans 6:18 [NIV])

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Romans 8:9 [KJV])

who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. (1 Peter 1:2 [NIV])

And thus we are made holy not by anything we do to ourselves, but because of the spirit that comes from God that enters the body, sanctifying it and making it holy. And thus whoever is reborn in spirit never sins again, as it is impossible, as it is said,

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9 [KJV])

And those that are reborn in spirit, and receive the santification thereof, are those that belong to Jesus Christ and will be co-heirs in his kingdom that will exist on the earth, and will rule over nations just as he rules.

 

[working4christ2]

My friend your close, but missing a critical point.

WHY do YOU suppose Christ rose from the Dead?

It was to both teach us and model for us what WE can expect at the Final coming.

There are two judgments:

1. The "immediate" Judgment at the instant our soul separates from our mortal bodies.

2. The Final Judgment: The "END Times"

Where our then PERFECTED bodies will be reunited with our immortal souls for all eternity.

Hence: When Christ rose from the dead and made his many {RE-appearances} it was already in His GLORIFIED-Body, as a lesson for us; that we too, would one day possess such a body. Amen

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[pappq]

Sir?
Adam is under submission to THE SON OF GOD.
THE SON OF GOD...
Who had to descend so as to ascend so as to fill all things so as to be before all things and have preeminence over all things created.

TRULY, TRULY, TRULY:

No man can come to the FATHER except THROUGH THE SON...

All, who are called who will believe THE TRUTH, are being gathered up in ONE in THE BODY of THE SON...and when all has been accomplished, when all that is being made subject to the SON has been completed (and the full numbers in CHRIST are complete) then will the SON turn back to THE FATHER HIS KINGDOM...so that GOD may be all and in all.

It's just that not all are in THE KINGDOM...yet...
And that is why THE GOSPEL is preached as a witness and a testimony of JESUS CHRIST.

Man was created and he was supposed to have dominion over all things and to subdue all things?
Can you show me where man has subdued ANYTHING?

But the SON will...and all of creation is waiting by THAT HOPE that the ONE who is THEIR HOPE OF GLORY will make all things new...

Adam was a type of Jesus Christ, have you not read,

Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. (Romans 5:14 [ESV])

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. (1 Corinthians 15:45 [NIV])

So, just as Adam was given rulership over earth and over animals as a type of one who is greater that was to come, so now does Jesus Christ rule over not just the earth but also the heavens, and not just over animals, but also over nations. This authority is granted by God, and in his wisdom he has granted it, yet he has chosen Jesus Christ to be his very own exact image, to whom he will even subject death to, and even bring forth judgment upon the entire earth, which is also greater than the judgment Moses brought forth to Egypt being made as God by God, who was also a type of a greater one to come, Jesus Christ, being made God by God and his exact representation in his own creation.

 

[FreeNChrist]

No, hence why it is written,


This glorification did not occur until after his ascension.

With the same glory He had with the Father "before".

[h=1]John 17:5

"And now, Father, glorify Me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."[/h]

 

[FreeNChrist]

Agreed, but, IF I am reading the OP correctly, we need to STRESS that the glory of Jesus was from the beginning, as He is fully God, God the Son. The OP seems to suggest (as I read it) that Jesus was not/is not fully God.

I don't know if this is a back door thread trying to denounce the Holy Trinity or not. I admit, the OP was a bit confusing to me.

God bless

It does look like it may be a back door attempt, I agree.

 

[pappq]

My friend your close, but missing a critical point.

WHY do YOU suppose Christ rose from the Dead?

It was to both teach us and model for us what WE can expect at the Final coming.

There are two judgments:

1. The "immediate" Judgment at the instant our soul separates from our mortal bodies.

2. The Final Judgment: The "END Times"

Where our then PERFECTED bodies will be reunited with our immortal souls for all eternity.

Hence: When Christ rose from the dead and made his many {RE-appearances} it was already in His GLORIFIED-Body, as a lesson for us; that we too, would one day possess such a body. Amen

God Bless you

Patrick

The soul goes to sleep at death, and that itself is not a judgment, but rather, a reservation to await a future resurrection. Why do you even think there is a resurrection, if not but to wake up and bring back to life those whom have fallen into the sleep of death? Even by Jesus and the apostles it was said of those that died that they went into sleep,

He said, "Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him. (Matthew 9:24)

After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; (1 Corinthians 15:6)

Consider and answer me, O LORD my God; Enlighten my eyes, or I will sleep the sleep of death, (Psalm 13:3)

Those that belong to Jesus Christ at his second coming will be resurrected from the sleep of death into new bodies that will be glorified. Those that are not dead, but alive at his coming, will be changed in an instant into the new bodies, as Paul said,

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)

According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

"At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. (Mark 13:26-27)

The gathering up of the elect that are both raised from the dead or are alive at his second coming will be done by angels, and they will take up the elect to meet the Lord in the air as he descends. It will be at this time, that then the JUDGMENT on the earth will occur, as the judgments will not occur on the earth until all the elect have been collected, as it is prophesied,

Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." (Revelation 7:2-3)

 

[working4christ2]

Adam was a type of Jesus Christ, have you not read,



So, just as Adam was given rulership over earth and over animals as a type of one who is greater that was to come, so now does Jesus Christ rule over not just the earth but also the heavens, and not just over animals, but also over nations. This authority is granted by God, and in his wisdom he has granted it, yet he has chosen Jesus Christ to be his very own exact image, to whom he will even subject death to, and even bring forth judgment upon the entire earth, which is also greater than the judgment Moses brought forth to Egypt being made as God by God, who was also a type of a greater one to come, Jesus Christ, being made God by God and his exact representation in his own creation.

Ahhhh, Jesus IS GOD!

Patrick

 

[FreeNChrist]

The soul goes to sleep at death, and that itself is not a judgment, but rather, a reservation to await a future resurrection. Why do you even think there is a resurrection, if not but to wake up and bring back to life those whom have fallen into the sleep of death? Even by Jesus and the apostles it was said of those that died that they went into sleep,

Those that belong to Jesus Christ at his second coming will be resurrected from the sleep of death into new bodies that will be glorified. Those that are not dead, but alive at his coming, will be changed in an instant into the new bodies, as Paul said,

The gathering up of the elect that are both raised from the dead or are alive at his second coming will be done by angels, and they will take up the elect to meet the Lord in the air as he descends. It will be at this time, that then the JUDGMENT on the earth will occur, as the judgments will not occur on the earth until all the elect have been collected, as it is prophesied,

What group are you a part of?

 

[pappq]

What group are you a part of?

I am of the group of Jesus Christ, which is one group, one belief, one teaching, one doctrine, one truth, one spirit. Whoever claims to be of a certain denomination over another, or one teacher over another, is already in error,

When one of you says, "I am a follower of Paul," and another says, "I follow Apollos," aren't you acting just like people of the world? After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God's servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us. (1 Corinthians 3:4-5 [NLT])

 

[FreeNChrist]

I am of the group of Jesus Christ, which is one group, one belief, one teaching, one doctrine, one truth, one spirit. Whoever claims to be of a certain denomination over another, or one teacher over another, is already in error,

Ah, I see. Interesting.