The Truth About The Sabbath

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Josh321

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honestly, phil some of them don't have a choice they grew up in religion from birth so it's the only thing they know, gonna take the hands of God to unveil the scale off the eyes, that's why i'm greatful that i did rebel and went into the world after my father pass, i could've run into religion but when my thirst for God came i ran STRAIGHT TO HIM no one else no religion no pastor nothing just straight to God


  • John 14:6
    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


    and he revealed himself to me praise God! if anyone ask me where i learn all that i preach only answer is God, and how he revealed himself and his word to me by spiritual revelation upon receiving the holy spirit, people read the bible as if it is a story book, but when your born again your reading about yourself, the same spirit that wrote the book within the apostles the and everyone is within you, so the spirit within you recognizes the truth and it is revealed to your spirit, first thing i came across was this

    • 2 Corinthians 5:17
      Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

      i literally felt that because it was me, notice how the bible speaks sometimes, " now that you believe" it is talking to you
 
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Jbaldwin91

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Brother Don i agree, i think heaven will certainly be an eternal Sabbath. I think having one day set aside to focus on our Lord Jesus Christ has been most beneficial to me personally. Trying to take all other worldly cares aside. Sunday is certainly a very special day and is when i choose to honor the Sabbath. I think it is a very relavent commandment to our time now and we know we love Jehovah if we keep his commandments. I think serious christians should try honoring the Sabbath and see how the Lord will use it for their good!!!
 

JaumeJ

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Look up the word, reprobate before you damn someone else. That is if you love the family in Yeshua.

You are reprobate concerning the word. You really believe it was Paul's idea, not God's, for us to choose our own day of worship and rest, don't you? You need to have your heart and ears circumcised.

I agree with Rockbysea about this: Bring your pastor in so we can help him too. If he is teaching what you are spewing, you both need lessons in bible doctrine.
 

WomanLovesTX

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Why not read about the decree that went out of Jerusalem and stop rebelling against Christ?
Uh? Is this the decree that went out of Jerusalem?

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
 

JesusLives

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If those that do not recognize seventh day don't, that is personal choice, and i don't think it will keep one out of heaven, but, they won't see the blessings that go along with observing it while living in this world. In the kingdom there will be no day or night just light, is the way i see it. so i'm not sure if a sabbath will be in the Kingdom, but here i'm going to observe it. This is not control only sharing what i believe is truth. i love you all, for real.
Bro Don

I believe that Sabbath will be kept in heaven and here is why

Isaiah 66
22 - For as the New Heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord. So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 - And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, Says the Lord.
 
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Revelation 21:23, And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof..... If ther won't be a sun up or sun down how will the days be separated, this verse is part of why i'm not sure if a seventh day sabbath will be observed in the Kingdom.
 
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danschance

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I think serious christians should try honoring the Sabbath and see how the Lord will use it for their good!!!
Serious Christians follow the bible and do God's will.
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5
 
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Serious Christians follow the bible and do God's will.
You quote that every day can be the same, but you fail to complete the thought, that it is all to be for the Lord, to be Christ centered. To read it as a scripture saying it is fine to be "me" centered, to not listen to the words of the Lord, is not what this scripture has in mind. It is not a free ticket to ignore scripture. It also includes not to criticize your brother. I believe you try to drag me through the dirt for saying we should listen to all scripture saying how absolutely wrong that is.

Rom 14:5-11 One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind. (6) Whoever observes the day, observes it for the honor of the Lord. Whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; and whoever does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat it, yet he thanks God. (7) For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. (8) If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. (9) Christ died and came to life for this: that He might rule over both the dead and the living. (10) But you, why do you criticize your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the tribunal of God. (11) For it is written: As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will give praise to God.
 
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danschance

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You quote that every day can be the same, but you fail to complete the thought, that it is all to be for the Lord, to be Christ centered. To read it as a scripture saying it is fine to be "me" centered, to not listen to the words of the Lord, is not what this scripture has in mind. It is not a free ticket to ignore scripture. It also includes not to criticize your brother. I believe you try to drag me through the dirt for saying we should listen to all scripture saying how absolutely wrong that is.

Rom 14:5-11 One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind. (6) Whoever observes the day, observes it for the honor of the Lord. Whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; and whoever does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat it, yet he thanks God. (7) For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. (8) If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. (9) Christ died and came to life for this: that He might rule over both the dead and the living. (10) But you, why do you criticize your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the tribunal of God. (11) For it is written: As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will give praise to God.
If we follow the Mosaic law, then why did Christ die? Judaizers mock themselves as they prance about with two yokes on, the yoke of Mosaic law and the yoke of grace. By obeying a single obsolete law they mock and demean the death of Christ.
 

WomanLovesTX

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One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5
Is Paul talking about food or is Paul talking about the Sabbath? If one would read in context, you would know Paul is not talking about the Sabbath here. Take time to study and especially with letters, read the whole context.

I know those who oppose that the whole word of God is applicable to day will not like this suggestion, but perhaps others who are truly seeking TRUTH will appreciate this written message titled "Romans 14:5 - Fasting or Sabbath."
 

WomanLovesTX

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If we follow the Mosaic law, then why did Christ die? Judaizers mock themselves as they prance about with two yokes on, the yoke of Mosaic law and the yoke of grace. By obeying a single obsolete law they mock and demean the death of Christ.
Christ died because of the Mosaic Law. Surprised?

God divorced the house of Israel. Jesus said He came only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and then later says he come for other sheep not of that fold. God's very own law (Deuteronomy 24:1-4) prevents God from taking the house of Israel/Ephraim back after He divorced her for adultery. For the ages this was a mystery how God through the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant with God's laws written on their hearts could take place. The prophet Ezekiel was called to speak of "rejoining the house of Israel/Ephraim and the house of Judah (a split kingdom of two kingdoms) back into one kingdom. (Ezekiel 37:15-28).

There was a way that God would not have to break His very own law (Deut. 24:1-4). That was preplanned before any scriptures or prophecy were ever recorded. Immanuel (God with us) came to earth in flesh and human nature. He left His divine God-nature, to temporarily come and live among us, to teach and preach the coming of the Kingdom of God/Heaven that will be on planet Earth. But first, He had to die for sins. Not just for the Jews, or just for the House of Israel, or not just for gentiles, but He came for all people.

I examined the doctrine of Universalism and yes, there are many scriptures that say all will be saved, but in view of the many other scriptures, this all does not mean every single human being, nor does it mean every single Jew or Israelite. It means all that the Father draws to Jesus will be saved. Grace is the free gift of our debt of sin has been paid with the proper wages of death by Christ for us. Even faith to accept grace is not of our own choosing. This too is a gift.

Judaizers are not mocking or demeaning the death of Christ. For most who understand that belief and obedience and unbelief and disobedience and that grace evidenced by works, is how the Kingdom is to be run. A King, A land, A peoples, and A Law.

The question many Christians have is which laws? You obey which ever one applies to you. Period. But you do have to hear or read them so that the Holy Spirit can work in you. It is a matter of always praying without ceasing, LORD, your will and not mine or man-made traditions or doctrines that you do not approve of because they nullify your Truths, and your Laws. Your will, on earth as it is in heaven.

The so called Judaizers are actually Watchmen on the wall. They are crying out to the Christians who reject God's perfect and holy unchanging laws. We know time is short and we are approaching the end of this 6th day (millenium). Christ will return just as He promised He would. It is not a matter of if, but when. Are you prepared to serve in the Kingdom? Have you exercised God's laws in this realm? Will you be found a good and faithful servant of all that the Master has left you in charge of? Or have you discarded much truth in place of man-made traditions and doctrines.

For me, call me a Judaizer. Call me a watchman. But don't ever say I am not of God and His family. I am going to be a bride and the bridegroom is Yeshua/Jesus. Whether I will be asleep or alive when the bridegroom comes, we don't know. We take one day at a time in the LORD.

May we all grow in the grace of our LORD and Saviour. Shalom.
 
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danschance

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Is Paul talking about food or is Paul talking about the Sabbath? If one would read in context, you would know Paul is not talking about the Sabbath here. Take time to study and especially with letters, read the whole context.

I know those who oppose that the whole word of God is applicable to day will not like this suggestion, but perhaps others who are truly seeking TRUTH will appreciate this written message titled "Romans 14:5 - Fasting or Sabbath."
"One person esteems one day as better than another" Rom 14:5

Which day might this be? Hmmm......
 

WomanLovesTX

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"One person esteems one day as better than another" Rom 14:5

Which day might this be? Hmmm......
Romans 14 verse 2 and 3 are talking about eating. So it can't be about the 7th day Sabbath rest day or even the 1st day of the week.
 
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If those that do not recognize seventh day don't, that is personal choice, and i don't think it will keep one out of heaven, but, they won't see the blessings that go along with observing it while living in this world. In the kingdom there will be no day or night just light, is the way i see it. so i'm not sure if a sabbath will be in the Kingdom, but here i'm going to observe it. This is not control only sharing what i believe is truth. i love you all, for real.
Your conclusion was the conclusion that the Pharisee sect was forced to come to as a result of the decree that went out of Jerusalem. That decree didn’t command the Pharisee sect not to observe the laws of Moses and to avoid circumcision… that decree forced them to not view these things as necessary for salvation. It forced them to stop trying to force their practices down the throats of other believers.

So if you do not believe Sabbath keeping is mandatory for salvation and you are not doing what the Pharisee sect did by going around troubling other believers with words, “unsettling” their souls, saying, “They must keep the Sabbath” then you are obeying the decree that went out of Jerusalem that “seemed good to the Holy Spirit” and therefore you are obeying the commandment of Christ.

If believers want to recognize the seventh day I too believe this is a personal choice and I do not believe it will keep one from being saved. And this is what the Pharisee sect were ordered to conclude: that keeping the Sabbath would not effect their salvation and not keeping the Sabbath would effect the salvation of others.

Barnabas and Paul passionately stood up before the entire assembly at Jerusalem and told them all the “many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles” who were never instructed to observe any of the laws of Moses which included Sabbath keeping. After Barnabas and Paul passionately spoke James stood up and used scriptures out of the old testament in support of Barnabas and Paul which says,

“So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.”

And Peter, a Jew, also stood up before the entire Jerusalem assembly and spoke passionately to protect his gentile brothers from unnecessary burdens by saying,

“So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”


Hear what Peter said: That through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we (the Jews) shall be saved in the same manner as they (the gentiles). And what was the manner in which the gentiles were being saved? The manner in which they were being saved and receiving the Holy Spirit was not by observance of the Laws of Moses but through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. So here we have Peter confessing it is unnecessary to observe the laws of Moses to be saved because salvation only comes through the Grace of Jesus Christ.

But what kind of believers do we have here: all we see here is gentile Sabbath keepers (some with Hebrew appearing avatars) copying and plastering voluminous amounts of OT scripture to try to shove the Sabbath and other old national covenant observances down the throats of other believers.

This was no small decree that came out of Jerusalem that resulted from “no small dissension and dispute.” And those who refuse to yield to it are trespassing against a direct commandment from Jesus Christ.
 
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danschance

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Romans 14 verse 2 and 3 are talking about eating. So it can't be about the 7th day Sabbath rest day or even the 1st day of the week.
So one day being better than the others... Maybe it's talking about Christmas or easter or a birthday or Arbor day....
 

WomanLovesTX

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So one day being better than the others... Maybe it's talking about Christmas or easter or a birthday or Arbor day....
No, it certainly cannot be about Christmas or easter or a birthday or Arbor day. None of those are found in scripture and are man made traditions and/or doctrines that God has not put His stamp of approval on. Why no approval? Because He said do not add or diminish from His Words. Are you esteeming man made days over God's Holy Feast Days?
 

JesusLives

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Revelation 21:23, And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof..... If ther won't be a sun up or sun down how will the days be separated, this verse is part of why i'm not sure if a seventh day sabbath will be observed in the Kingdom.
So does Revelation cancel out Isaiah? Just because we will be living with God does not mean that the rest of the universe would not still have cycles. I agree there will be no night there but Isaiah 66:22&23 is talking about the new heaven and the new earth.
 
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phil112

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Look up the word, reprobate before you damn someone else. That is if you love the family in Yeshua.
You need to improve your reading comprehension before you accuse someone of "damning" someone. I did no such thing, would not do such a thing, and it is not my place to make that kind of judgement.

Tell ya what, show me exactly where what he said about it being Paul's idea was not unapproved (reprobate) when Paul himself told us he got his gospel from Christ.

Reprobate: Strongs
96 NT - Greek...unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally):--castaway, rejected, reprobate.Reprobate: Merriam-Webster
to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evil........to refuse to accept : reject

You picked one obsolete definition to make your statement against me, and it isn't what the word means in the greek. Going out of your way to find fault is someting I am pretty sure Christ dealt with. Oh, but wait, you said Yeshua, so you aren't all that familiar with the new testament then.

Christ taught Paul. God picked Paul for Christ to teach - before Paul was born. You hold "Yeshua" in high esteem, yet you deny that HE is the one that taught Paul what to say. Seems to me, since you "refuse to accept-reject" the bible as inpsired scripture, that word may fit more than one person here.
 

JesusLives

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If we follow the Mosaic law, then why did Christ die? Judaizers mock themselves as they prance about with two yokes on, the yoke of Mosaic law and the yoke of grace. By obeying a single obsolete law they mock and demean the death of Christ.
Goes hand in hand -

When we love God we accept His Sacrifice GRACE and because we love Him we OBEY His Law.
Faith without works is dead.

I'm not a Judaizer I am one trying to be like Jesus we are brother and sister in Christ and should be united fighting against evil and not each other. Love in Christ
 
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