The Two Houses of Israel

Karraster · Jun 10, 2016

Hi DP, thank you for creating this thread, as it is something I am off and on studying. When I first came to cc looking for answers to puzzling questions, a similar thread was going, the OP of that thread was saying "as a Christian that means that I am Israel~part of the lost sheep of Israel"....and the attacks on her was so vicious, that she has not been back! I think her name was Morningglory. But that got me thinking, it sounded like she was right, and that is something I have never heard in church or thoroughly studied on my own. I'll try and go back, see if that thread still exists.

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
How do you see this verse~thanks.

Karraster · Jun 10, 2016

found it here.http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81460-few-questions-brave-non-israelites.html

I learned a lot from that thread, and to this day not seen anyone's answer that refuted the OP...from the Word. Can't say I understand it completely, but I'm trying.

DP · Jun 10, 2016

Karraster said:

Many of the Jews especially are against this Bible teaching about the ten tribed house of Israel. But there are Jewish scholars that understand God's prophecies about His gathering the ten tribes back to the holy lands when Messiah comes.

Many pastors I've talked to about this understand it too, but they won't cover it in their Churches because most of them feel it might alienate Gentile believers, and just raise too much controversy and questioning. I admit preaching of The Gospel is their main job after all. Yet some Churches do cover this, and other deeper Bible subjects, but those Churches are rare and hard to find within the mainstream Christian organizations (yet they do exist).

I say preach it, because it's part of God's Word, and it shows how God has kept His promises to Israel that He declared in His Word. If God said He is going to gather the house of Israel (ten lost tribes) like corn through a sieve and not the least grain will fall to the ground (Amos 9), then won't the Gentiles know it when He does that when Jesus returns? What's the difference with Gentiles being familiar with it now then, since it should be proof to them even that our Heavenly Father does what He says?

What did our Lord Jesus mean when He said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

I think it's a clear hint of how the majority of Jews in Judea would refuse The Gospel as He knew would happen because of the spiritual blindness upon Israel in part He put upon them (Rom.11), and, to show that The Gospel would then go to the majority of the scattered seed of Israel that was scattered among the Gentiles in the areas of Asia Minor and Europe, and the majority them would believe, and thus become the western Christian nations of history, i.e., the "company of nations" of Jacob, and the "multitude of nations" of Ephraim (Gen.35; Gen.48).

Many brethren get a dumbfounded look upon their face when they finally grasp the meaning of those Genesis prophecies about Jacob's and Ephraim's seed becoming a company and multitude of nations. When they realize that means Israelite nations, their apple cart turns over and they don't know how to take the Scripture. The reason for that is because of false traditions they've been taught outside of God's Word for most of their lives, when if they had simply opened up God's Word for their selves and read it, they would know this.

Karraster · Jun 10, 2016

DP said:

Snipped for brevity...........may be off topic, but I've read somewhere that rabbis placed a curse on anyone reading that portion of Daniel about Messiah. Also, that many Orthodox Jews still pray for the lost tribe to return.
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I think it's a clear hint of how the majority of Jews in Judea would refuse The Gospel as He knew would happen because of the spiritual blindness upon Israel in part He put upon them (Rom.11), and, to show that The Gospel would then go to the majority of the scattered seed of Israel that was scattered among the Gentiles in the areas of Asia Minor and Europe, and the majority them would believe, and thus become the western Christian nations of history, i.e., the "company of nations" of Jacob, and the "multitude of nations" of Ephraim (Gen.35; Gen.48).
_________---yes, thanks. I appreciate your taking time to answer. And do you see this story all over the Bible? I'm beginning to see it so many places, and it's very exciting! In the parable of the hidden treasure in the field, in the marriage of Jacob to Rachael and Leah, and many other places. What do you think?

Bookends · Jun 10, 2016

Karraster said:

I beleave she is right, theere is only one people of God, the church today is a continuation of the true Israel. The true Israel are those who follow and obey God and put their trust in Him (OT/old covenant and the NT/new covenant). The physical or earthly Israel was a tupos of the Spiritual Israel.

I sadness me that many Christians can't see or understand this.

DP · Jun 10, 2016

Karraster said:

Yes, in the Matt.21 vineyard parable; in the vineyard parable of Isaiah 5; in Hosea 1 where Paul also quoted from in Rom.9 when preaching to Gentile Romans, etc. Paul quoting from Hosea 1 about the house of Israel to Roman Gentile believers reveals that Paul was most likely aware that he was preaching also to hidden ten lost tribe Israelites among the Roman Gentiles, those Israelites having lost their knowledge of being of Israel.

Once this is understood, what Paul was showing in Romans 11 becomes very clear. Paul was speaking of two different groups of Israelites vs. Gentiles. One group of Israelites were those whom God preserved unto The Gospel that believed; these represent the remnant according to the election of grace. The other group represents the part of Israel that God blinded so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles; these are represented by the majority of the Jews that reject Jesus Christ.

DP · Jun 10, 2016

Bookends said:

Before I got down to line by line Bible study, I used to believe that in Christ's future Kingdom there was no literally established people or nation of Israel involving the seed of Israel. I took Apostle Paul's statement that there's no difference between the Jew and Gentile in the literal physical sense also, instead of just the spiritual salvation sense like it's meant. I soon realized there was more written in God's Word about the matter that I had failed to read and understand.

I had to admit that our Lord Jesus meant what He said when He told His Apostles (who were all born of the seed of Israel) would sit upon 12 thrones in His future Kingdom judging the 12 tribes of Israel (Matt.19:28).

So, as much as I enjoy the idea of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles belonging to one body in Christ Jesus, I realize that God's Plan of Salvation still will... involve the idea of nations upon the new earth (see end of Isaiah 19, and end of Zech.14).

Karraster · Jun 10, 2016

This is great! This is why I joined cc, to speak about these deeper things in the Word that gets glossed over 99% of the time. Over the next few days I'll be reading those chapters you refer to. I can't help think about the "bride" and the "guests" at the wedding supper, and that's perhaps for another thread..but I've heard all kinds of interpretations about that and somehow it just won't "gel" in my head. Could it be that the "nations" that go up to worship as they are instructed, are the guests? and that the "bride" resides there with the King?

JaumeJ · Jun 11, 2016

This very morning my reading was in Hosea 2. It tells how Judah and Israel will be brought together.

When reading these two titles or names, I always think in terms of each's full translation to my language.

Israel may be said to be "Prince with God," while Judah may be said "Praiser of God (Yah)."

Thinking of Prince with God or Ruler with God, my mind goes to our Savior and our being members of His Body. (In this instance.)

Thinking of Praiser of Yah or God, my mind goes to the Israel of God's original choosing. (Again, in this instance.)

In Hosea 2 they are to be brought together, I believe once and forever with all confusion dismissed at once at that time

These titles and their meanings are understood at different leels depending upon their usage, for all who believe, Christian or Jew are considered Praisers of God, Yahweh. All who believe Him will also rule with Him........Israel.

God is not rigid in His vocabulary, and this particular vocabulary is temporal, so come that pure language that is to be given us, Zephaniah, we will all understand perfectly. Idt will be just like when the Holy Spirit is upon us, and certain understanding comes to us without words, just understanding. How often these pearls of wisdom are so difficult to transmit in the words of this age, but the Spirit gives life always.

The second chapter of Hosea also deals with apostasy and children of apsotasy though itis in differnt words, such as whore and her children.

It is worth a prayer filled read.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.

DP · Jun 11, 2016

Karraster said:

I can only give a general picture idea in my mind as based on Scripture. I won't say it's perfect. Rev.22:2 when referring to the tree of life in God's future Kingdom says the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the "nations" (Greek ethnos). Rev.21:24 says the nations of them which are saved will walk in the light of the holy city in that time. In Rev.2, our Lord Jesus declared His elect will rule with Him over the nations with a rod of iron.

I believe Christ will have a very elect group like His Apostles which will reign with Him upon thrones over Israel and the nations, that meaning Gentile elect upon thrones among the nations also.

The wedding feast with Jesus shown in Matthew I believe refers to what God said in the latter parts of Isaiah 25 about making a feast to all nations. I believe all nations will take part in that, not just Israel. I believe all nations in that future time will observe the days God determines in that future time, some which I'm sure will be like those written in the OT. Zech.14 shows the feast and tabernacles, but that's millennium timing.

reneweddaybyday · Jun 11, 2016

DP said:

You are correct. I should have stated "This has started to happen". Thanks for pointing that out.

I am so blessed to see God's promises come to fruition. A lot of time passed between when the promise was made and when the nation of Israel was reestablished. A reminder to us that God's promises do hold true. We cannot become impatient ... we must remain steadfast and unmoveable as we wait.

Bookends · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

I can only give a general picture idea in my mind as based on Scripture. I won't say it's perfect. Rev.22:2 when referring to the tree of life in God's future Kingdom says the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the "nations" (Greek ethnos). Rev.21:24 says the nations of them which are saved will walk in the light of the holy city in that time. In Rev.2, our Lord Jesus declared His elect will rule with Him over the nations with a rod of iron.

I believe Christ will have a very elect group like His Apostles which will reign with Him upon thrones over Israel and the nations, that meaning Gentile elect upon thrones among the nations also.

The wedding feast with Jesus shown in Matthew I believe refers to what God said in the latter parts of Isaiah 25 about making a feast to all nations. I believe all nations will take part in that, not just Israel. I believe all nations in that future time will observe the days God determines in that future time, some which I'm sure will be like those written in the OT. Zech.14 shows the feast and tabernacles, but that's millennium timing.

Why don't you guys get it? Jesus did come and restore the house of Israel at His first coming, He used 12 Jewish Israelites to do it!!! Remember, to the Jew first, then to the gentile.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

Actually, that has not... happened yet today.

Only Jews of the "house of Judah" have been returning to the state of Israel in the holy land. The ten tribes ("house of Israel") are still lost to themselves and to the world today. When Jesus comes is when these events of their joining back with the house of Judah will occur.

This is how the matter about the ten lost tribed house of Israel is important for Christ's Church, because that's where the majority of them are today, scattered among the Gentiles where The Gospel was preached after the passion of Christ. Thus when the scattered remnants of the ten lost tribed house of Israel are gathered, the believing Gentiles will be gathered along with them.

God's Birthright to His chosen is very specific in His Word, and with the promises it included.

The Birthright began with Abraham. Then...
... to Isaac,
... to Jacob (named Israel),
... to Reuben (but he defiled his father's bed),
... to Joseph,
... to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where it still is today.

Per Genesis 35, Jacob's seed was promised to become "a company of nations". And per Genesis 48, Ephraim's seed was promised to become "a multitude of nations." Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh, both sons of Joseph, and said to let his name Israel be named upon the lads.

In case you haven't figured out what that means, it means Ephraim's seed was to literally become "a multitude of nations", not just one nation like the state of Israel in the holy land. This is why Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2 would proclaim Gentile believers on Christ as having come into the promises and covenants given Israel, their becoming part of the "commonwealth of Israel". A commonwealth means more than one, pointing to more than one nation.

But the state of Israel in the holy land has only ever... been but ONE nation, not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations" like the Genesis prophecies state.

What's contained in God's Birthright beginning with Abraham?

God promised Abraham...
1. that a seed from him would be as many of the stars of the sky and sands of the sea (Gen.15).
2. that God would given him the lands as far as he could see in all directions in the middle east (Gen.13).
3. Abraham would become a father of many nations (Gen.17).
4. that his seed would possess the gate of his enemies (Gen.22)...

... it continued with his son Isaac per Gen.26...

... it then was passed to Jacob with more added, as per Gen.27 Jacob's seed would receive...
1. the dew of heaven (symbolic of best lands)
2. the fatness of the earth (symbolic again of the best lands and natural resources)
3. plenty of corn and wine (further symbolic of the best farm and vineyard producing lands)
4. nations would bow down to thee...

... the Birthright then continued to Joseph...
... and Joseph would be exalted by God above his eleven brethren, and even above his father and mother by God giving Joseph to interpret Pharaoh's dream (Gen.37; Gen.40)...

... the Birthright was then passed by Jacob to Joseph's younger son Ephraim, and also that his elder son Manasseh would also become "great" (Gen.48).

The other part of God's Birthright would remain with Judah and the house of David involving the royal scepter rule on the throne, and also care of God's law to His people.

1 Chron 5:1-2
5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's

KJV

Thus God's Birthright blessings went to Joseph, and then Joseph's two sons (Ephraim and Manasseh), but the chief ruler would be of the tribe of Judah. This is how God's Birthright is still established on earth among His people today, but NOT... in the holy lands!

Isn't anyone understanding more of why when God split Israel into two kingdoms after Solomon's reign, that He would give "ten tribes" to Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM as their king to rule over them? (1 Kings 11 forward).

Where have the best crop producing lands on earth been, with a people producing much more food than they can consume? The Christian west.

Where has the most abundant resources existed with the ability to retrieve them been? In the Christian west.

Where has had the greatest wine vineyards? The Christian west.

What nations have controlled the gates (coming and goings) of their enemies? The Christian west, with their navies and great military might.

Have we seen these Promises existing in the holy land through history? NO!

Only in 1948 when Israel became a nation state again in the middle east has the land begin to blossom again. And still... there is not one of the house of Judah and house of David sitting upon a throne there in Jerusalem, not since Jeremiah's day when king Zedekiah of Judah was there. Yet the Genesis 49:10 prophecy to Judah for the "latter days" through Jacob is one of Judah is still... supposed to be sitting upon David's throne ON EARTH all the way up to Christ's ("Shiloh") second coming!

So WHERE on earth in the latter days have we seen these Promises manifested? In the Christian west of course. The western nations, which the majority of them were historically known... as Christian nations, still reveal they are the receivers of God's Birthright blessings that would remain with Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

Israel in the West = Ephraim and Manasseh over the ten lost tribed house of Israel with believing Gentiles with them as Paul's "commonwealth" (Eph.2). The SEAT of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of the scattered remnant of the house of Judah are also there with them.

Israel in the middle east = Judah, or house of Judah, mostly still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ, but will one day have their blindness from God removed (Rom.11).

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No one's "lost".

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

prove-all said:

They were removed out of their land. “For the children of Israel walked in
all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;

Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the
prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day”

-

Jeroboam changed the place, and the fall feasts from 7th month to the 8th month,
it is very highly likly that the 7th day worship was changed to the 8th day also.

yes that the Samaritans at the time of Jesus where transplants,
but they where taught there religion by corrupt [levite priests],
these priests where sent back to teach the new people in the land.

Everyone "walked in sin"...and GOD declared it through the prophet Haggai that all nations were unclean before HIM.
Priest and people alike.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

I have studied this matter, very closely, sticking with what God's Word teaches on the matter, not what men's traditions teach about it.

God rent the kingdom from Solomon's son Rehoboam per 1 Kings 11. God then through His prophet Ahijah gave ten tribes to Jeroboam to rule over in the north; Jeroboam was an Ephrathite (tribe of Ephraim). God declared early on that the kings of Israel were to come from the tribe of Judah, from the house of David. So why was Jeroboam, one born of the tribe of Ephraim, made king over the ten tribes of Israel by God?

1 Kings 11:29-32
29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32(But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel

KJV

As written in 1 Kings 12, only the tribe of Benjamin remained with Judah in the southern kingdom at Judea. Jerusalem became the capital city of the southern "kingdom of Judah" and the northern city Samaria became the capital city of the northern "kingdom of Israel".

As per 1 Kings 12, Jeroboam (of Ephraim), king of Israel over the ten tribes in the northern kingdom, was afraid he would lose too many people out of the northern tribes going south to worship with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem, which was the required place of worship back then. So Jeroboam setup two gold calf idols in false worship for the northern ten tribes to worship, one he put in Dan, and the other in Bethel in the north. For this God would eventually remove the ten tribes out of the northern lands altogether, and send them captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, as per 2 Kings 17.

1 Kings 12:26-31
26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:
27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.
28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.
31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.
KJV

You are misrepresenting the John 4 Scripture.

John 4:9
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto Him, How is it that Thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
KJV

In John 8 the scribes and Pharisees basically admitted they were not born of Israel, yet they claimed Abraham as their father...

John 8:33
33 They answered Him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest Thou, Ye shall be made free?
KJV

The true Israelites were... in bondage in Egypt. These by saying they have never been in bondage to any man reveal their true origins. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the Kenite foreigners from the land of Canaan were the scribes in Israel.

Thus it's not odd that some of the Samaritan foreigners the king of Assyria planted in the northern holy lands would claim to be of Israel when they were not.

Further in John 4, Jesus reveals more about the Samaritan woman's history...

John 4:16-22
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
19 The woman saith unto Him, Sir, I perceive that Thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe Me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
KJV

If the Samaritan woman had truly been a born Israelite, Jesus would not have shown how she didn't know what she worshiped, in contrast to the Jews who know Who they worship (meaning Jews faithful in The LORD GOD and not Nethinim crept in bondservants from the old Canaanite nations like the scribes and Pharisees).

The "five husbands" Jesus points out to her that she has had represent the five provinces of pagan Babylon from which the Samaritans originated when the king of Assyria planted them in the northern holy land after the ten tribes had been removed.

2 Kings 17:22-24
22 For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.
24 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
KJV

From Babylon, from Cuthah, from Ava, from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, five areas the Samaritans came from.

The Samaritan woman clung to Jacob's well as her lifeline and inheritance because none of her older brothers were providing "food" and "drink" to her...which is what they were supposed to do.

GOD'S first chosen Israel (earthly, that is) were supposed to be a nation set apart as a light and witness to all men of the TRUTH of GOD.
They didn't...in fact they adopted the customs of the nations around them (Solomon's many wives) and because of it, as Ezekiel 36 states, GOD'S NAME was ___________________before the gentiles.

Those who did not know GOD looked to those who claimed to know GOD and were not getting "food" and "drink".

CHRIST came for the lost sheep of Israel, that is true, but HE came for all men...the GOSPEL went to the Jew first, but because they did not accept it, it went to the gentiles who are witnesses to the TRUTH of JESUS as the LIGHT which lighteth all men.

GOD is doing all things for HIS NAMES SAKE and to show HIS NAME as HOLY amongst...ALL...NATIONS...
CHRIST alone came to manifest THE FATHER'S NAME...and because HE came forth from GOD, HE had all authority to manifest/declare/reveal/show THE FATHER...

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

How many of you are not aware that there are TWO houses of Israel and thus two separate kingdoms written of in God's Word?

1 Kings 12:20-21
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
KJV

Can't get any more clear than a fight between two separate houses to show how God had separated Israel into two separate kingdoms after the days of Solomon. Notice the close similarity of the two names Jeroboam and Rehoboam. God made Jeroboam who was of the tribe Ephraim king over the ten northern tribes which became known as the "house of Israel". Solomon's son was Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah from the house of David, and only 2 tribes made up the "house of Judah" after that split.

This is why in Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to take two separate sticks, write upon one for the house of Judah, and on the other stick for the house of Israel (represented by Ephraim or Joseph), and then put the two sticks together in his hands, and let the people see him do it so they'd ask what was meant by that.

Brethren, are you familiar with this Bible history?

There are two separate "people"...and CHRIST came to make ONE out of the two.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

Karraster said:

The nations that go up to worship in the last day is after the knowledge of the LORD covers the earth even as the waters.
The knowledge of the LORD does NOT yet cover the earth even as the waters of the sea because not all know or believe the TRUTH of THE SON of GOD...

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

reneweddaybyday said:

You are correct. I should have stated "This has started to happen". Thanks for pointing that out.

I am so blessed to see God's promises come to fruition. A lot of time passed between when the promise was made and when the nation of Israel was reestablished. A reminder to us that God's promises do hold true. We cannot become impatient ... we must remain steadfast and unmoveable as we wait.

GOD'S PROMISES are steadfast and true in CHRIST JESUS.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

I understand all of it.
what you are teaching is a separation and that is not TRUTH.
ONE GOD and FATHER over all men...

Two kingdoms that's for sure.
But only ONE KINGDOM that one should long to belong to...and in order for them to enter that kingdom they have to come to THAT KING...

One HOUSE/One Flock...and ONE SON/ONE SHEPHERD over the FATHER'S HOUSE/FLOCK

GOD always made a distinction even from the beginning...but the distinction was the sons of pharoah and his flock from the sons of GOD and HIS flock.

Out of egypt GOD has truly called HIS SON.
THAT SON...
And it is only in THAT SON one is taken out of and brought into THE ISRAEL which is of GOD...in HIS SON...THAT SON...

The 12 tribes of Israel will come in at the last hour..
They aren't "lost"...
And in fact, even Levi is included in and not separate for we all know that in the world, that tribe/house/family had no inheritance in the things of the world..

But that was to show all men that OUR INHERITANCE and TRUE BIRTHRIGHT are in THE ONE AND ONLY SON who is LORD

Remember?

Levi's inheritance is in THE LORD?
NOW...the WHOLE HOUSE, (and that not limited to only the Levitical priestly line, for in truth, all called into CHRIST are a priestly people) their inheritance is in...........

THE LORD

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

Actually, that has not... happened yet today.

Only Jews of the "house of Judah" have been returning to the state of Israel in the holy land. The ten tribes ("house of Israel") are still lost to themselves and to the world today. When Jesus comes is when these events of their joining back with the house of Judah will occur.

This is how the matter about the ten lost tribed house of Israel is important for Christ's Church, because that's where the majority of them are today, scattered among the Gentiles where The Gospel was preached after the passion of Christ. Thus when the scattered remnants of the ten lost tribed house of Israel are gathered, the believing Gentiles will be gathered along with them.

God's Birthright to His chosen is very specific in His Word, and with the promises it included.

The Birthright began with Abraham. Then...
... to Isaac,
... to Jacob (named Israel),
... to Reuben (but he defiled his father's bed),
... to Joseph,
... to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where it still is today.

Per Genesis 35, Jacob's seed was promised to become "a company of nations". And per Genesis 48, Ephraim's seed was promised to become "a multitude of nations." Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh, both sons of Joseph, and said to let his name Israel be named upon the lads.

In case you haven't figured out what that means, it means Ephraim's seed was to literally become "a multitude of nations", not just one nation like the state of Israel in the holy land. This is why Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2 would proclaim Gentile believers on Christ as having come into the promises and covenants given Israel, their becoming part of the "commonwealth of Israel". A commonwealth means more than one, pointing to more than one nation.

But the state of Israel in the holy land has only ever... been but ONE nation, not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations" like the Genesis prophecies state.

What's contained in God's Birthright beginning with Abraham?

God promised Abraham...
1. that a seed from him would be as many of the stars of the sky and sands of the sea (Gen.15).
2. that God would given him the lands as far as he could see in all directions in the middle east (Gen.13).
3. Abraham would become a father of many nations (Gen.17).
4. that his seed would possess the gate of his enemies (Gen.22)...

... it continued with his son Isaac per Gen.26...

... it then was passed to Jacob with more added, as per Gen.27 Jacob's seed would receive...
1. the dew of heaven (symbolic of best lands)
2. the fatness of the earth (symbolic again of the best lands and natural resources)
3. plenty of corn and wine (further symbolic of the best farm and vineyard producing lands)
4. nations would bow down to thee...

... the Birthright then continued to Joseph...
... and Joseph would be exalted by God above his eleven brethren, and even above his father and mother by God giving Joseph to interpret Pharaoh's dream (Gen.37; Gen.40)...

... the Birthright was then passed by Jacob to Joseph's younger son Ephraim, and also that his elder son Manasseh would also become "great" (Gen.48).

The other part of God's Birthright would remain with Judah and the house of David involving the royal scepter rule on the throne, and also care of God's law to His people.

1 Chron 5:1-2
5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's

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Thus God's Birthright blessings went to Joseph, and then Joseph's two sons (Ephraim and Manasseh), but the chief ruler would be of the tribe of Judah. This is how God's Birthright is still established on earth among His people today, but NOT... in the holy lands!

Isn't anyone understanding more of why when God split Israel into two kingdoms after Solomon's reign, that He would give "ten tribes" to Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM as their king to rule over them? (1 Kings 11 forward).

Where have the best crop producing lands on earth been, with a people producing much more food than they can consume? The Christian west.

Where has the most abundant resources existed with the ability to retrieve them been? In the Christian west.

Where has had the greatest wine vineyards? The Christian west.

What nations have controlled the gates (coming and goings) of their enemies? The Christian west, with their navies and great military might.

Have we seen these Promises existing in the holy land through history? NO!

Only in 1948 when Israel became a nation state again in the middle east has the land begin to blossom again. And still... there is not one of the house of Judah and house of David sitting upon a throne there in Jerusalem, not since Jeremiah's day when king Zedekiah of Judah was there. Yet the Genesis 49:10 prophecy to Judah for the "latter days" through Jacob is one of Judah is still... supposed to be sitting upon David's throne ON EARTH all the way up to Christ's ("Shiloh") second coming!

So WHERE on earth in the latter days have we seen these Promises manifested? In the Christian west of course. The western nations, which the majority of them were historically known... as Christian nations, still reveal they are the receivers of God's Birthright blessings that would remain with Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

Israel in the West = Ephraim and Manasseh over the ten lost tribed house of Israel with believing Gentiles with them as Paul's "commonwealth" (Eph.2). The SEAT of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of the scattered remnant of the house of Judah are also there with them.

Israel in the middle east = Judah, or house of Judah, mostly still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ, but will one day have their blindness from God removed (Rom.11).

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In case you forgot, Jacob was the son of Isaac, the "promised seed of Abraham".
And it wasn't until GOD called and renamed Jacob, Israel that Jacob was called Israel.

But there are still many in Israel who are still "jacob struggling against GOD"...and in order for them to be named Israel, they have to be called into ISRAEL...

Another thing to review is Jacob's wives...before you review the birthright of these sons...and their head over the 12 tribes of Israel...

The Two Houses of Israel

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