The Tzniut, Wives and Head Coverings

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sevenseas

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I wear some very pretty rings on my left hand which is the indication a woman is married in North America

if you wear a scarf over your head it is because either it is cold out or you are cold because you just washed your hair and have to go out to the car because you left something in it that you need

men:

do not shave your sideburns, let 'em grow and curl them up in the back

kindly throw out all mixed materials you sinners and find the nearest temple with priest wearing Aaron's robes for the sacrifice to make atonement for not doing the above



sheesh

I would ask why certain men are almost always harping on women but I know the answer LOL! :rolleyes: ;)
 
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Do you suppose that Jesus Christ came that you may continue to sin unto disobedience, or that you may be forgiven of past sins unto obedience?
Do you do all 613 things in the law of Moses? If not - then you are guilty of it all. Come to Christ and the New Covenant and trust in Him and you'll find real life. He loves you and has provided everything you need.
 

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There does not need to be a command of "thou shall" or "thou shall not", just a mere mention of something in the Law is sufficient to bind. Are you aware that even the passage of Onan, which does not contain a "thou shall" or "thou shall not", sufficiently reveals that all forms of contraception are wicked? This same relates to the passage or Rebekah veiling herself, it is a mandatory tradition that Paul instructed the assemblies to do.
Just make it up as you go along, huh? You are cursed.
 
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Just make it up as you go along, huh? You are cursed.
People like you just don't like to hear that the Law is abolished, because their works are evil and contrary to the Law. So they are puzzled about mandates by Paul for women to wear head coverings in accordance to the Law that is indeed not abolished. The law is holy and perfect, and it is people who call the Law itself a curse and a burden who are, on the contrary, the ones that are cursed.
 

Dino246

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There does not need to be a command of "thou shall" or "thou shall not", just a mere mention of something in the Law is sufficient to bind. Are you aware that even the passage of Onan, which does not contain a "thou shall" or "thou shall not", sufficiently reveals that all forms of contraception are wicked? This same relates to the passage or Rebekah veiling herself, it is a mandatory tradition that Paul instructed the assemblies to do.
This is a rabbinic understanding of the law, not a biblical understanding of it. The rabbis' interpretations of the scripture are what Jesus Himself railed against... the traditions of men which nullify the word of God.

As to your OP, you are clearly overlooking 1 Cor. 11:15, "... For her hair is given to her for a covering." In other words, she is already covered.
 

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Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Which parts of the old did not "vanish away"?
 
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Could you answer my question Chris? You ignoring it makes me think i could of been right.
 

Magenta

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People like you just don't like to hear that the Law is abolished, because their works are evil and contrary to the Law. So they are puzzled about mandates by Paul for women to wear head coverings in accordance to the Law that is indeed not abolished. The law is holy and perfect, and it is people who call the Law itself a curse and a burden who are, on the contrary, the ones that are cursed.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
 
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Do you do all 613 things in the law of Moses? If not - then you are guilty of it all. Come to Christ and the New Covenant and trust in Him and you'll find real life. He loves you and has provided everything you need.
There are not 613 commands in the Law of Moses, there are more. Tell me, if you murdered, does that mean that you can or should continue to murder because you already did it, or that you should stop murdering, that you may be forgiven? Being guilty of breaking the Law does not mean that you can or should continue breaking it, it means that you should stop breaking it, that you may be forgiven. Or have you not read, "if we sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". Sin is breaking the Law.
 
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Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
Tell me, what is the curse of the Law, the Law itself, or death that the Law brings? Why then do you suppose he "died" as the curse that the Law brings, which is death?
 

Magenta

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For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Oh dear dear dear you are under a curse for you attempt to live by the law but cannot.
 
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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1Co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

The covering is not a veil,but it is the hair on their head.

It is a shame for a man to have long hair,and even nature testifies of this,and he should have short hair for he is in the image of God,so Jesus would of had short hair.Samson had long hair,but after Adam and Eve sinned nobody was in the image of God until Jesus came manifest in the flesh.

A woman should have long uncut hair,and if she cuts her hair it is the same as if she were shaven,whether she cuts it 5 inches,or one millimeter,and would put her self in the position of a man,out of the authority structure of God,the same with a man having long hair.

In the 1960's when the youth,and younger adults were rebelling against authority,what did they do,the men grew their hair long.

Some will say legalistic,as if God cannot have any form of standard among people,with the attitude with do not tell us what to do,even if it comes from God.
 

Magenta

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Tell me, what is the curse of the Law, the Law itself, or death that the Law brings? Why then do you suppose he "died" as the curse that the Law brings, which is death?
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
 
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There are not 613 commands in the Law of Moses, there are more. Tell me, if you murdered, does that mean that you can or should continue to murder because you already did it, or that you should stop murdering, that you may be forgiven? Being guilty of breaking the Law does not mean that you can or should continue breaking it, it means that you should stop breaking it, that you may be forgiven. Or have you not read, "if we sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". Sin is breaking the Law.
Actually, there are only 10 commandments. The Law merely clarifies the commandments. We know "Don't steal" as a commandment, but the law tells how much you owe if you steal a cow vs. short changing someone by accident.
 
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A woman should have long uncut hair,and if she cuts her hair it is the same as if she were shaven,whether she cuts it 5 inches,or one millimeter,and would put her self in the position of a man,out of the authority structure of God,the same with a man having long hair.



me before I cut my hair two weeks ago

I had no idea the world was in color :p
 
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Since the Law has not been abolished, neither has head covering, aka the tzniut that wives must wear, which is a symbol she is married, hence why Paul says, "it is a symbol of authority over her head". For when a woman becomes married, she comes under the authority of a husband, due to the curse against Eve when she transgressed, "your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". As such, when Rebekah first saw Isaac, who she was going to marry, she "veiled" herself, which is the tzniut. However, if a wife does not want to wear a head covering, then she must shave her head and remain shaven, because in addition to the head covering, a wife with a shaven head is another symbol of marriage, hence "...if you see any captive woman, you may take her as a wife. You shall shave her head...". If a wife does neither of these, then she is in disobedience to the commands of God, and not only her, but also those who approve.
Mind if I see a picture of you in your usual outfit -- the business attire for a priest? And, assuming that's what you're wearing because the law isn't abolished, can I ask the question I've been curious about for years? Boxers, briefs, or conventional loincloth under the tunic?
 
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me before I cut my hair two weeks ago

I had no idea the world was in color :p
We had a black and white TV back in the days of The Addams Family, so I never knew Cousin It was a ginger. :eek:
 

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2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

2 Cor 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

I would like to know from any of the lawyers how the ministration of death has turned into the ministration of life in Christ.

I've never had a decent answer from the learned counsel...:cool:
 
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Could you answer my question Chris? You ignoring it makes me think i could of been right.
I am not ignoring you, I am answering these other posts in this thread. Now it is your turn. I was not raised as an actual Jew, nor am I Israeli, but I was baptized into the catholic church as a baby, and then raised in Protestant churches as a baptist then non-denominational. As I became older, I began to do my own research into scripture, and also my family background, and discovered that my family is not only of Sephardi descendance, but that the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles actually taught a form of Judaism that observed all commands of the Law, except literal observation of commands that were revealed and declared to be "shadow" commands, which were commands that foreshadowed realities that are found in Jesus Christ, which, for example, are,

1. Passover lamb requirement = Jesus Christ as the reality of the passover lamb.
2. Festival of Unleavened Bread = reality to put away sin.
3. Festival of First Fruits = reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) = reality of the giving forth of the holy spirit.
5. Festival of Trumpets = reality of the second coming of Jesus Christ with the sound of trumpets.
6. Day of Atonement = reality of the gathering of the elect from all over the world.
7. Festival of Booths = reality of the time the elect will begin to live in the encampment that will exist in Israel for them.
8. Seventh Day Sabbath = reality of the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ that corresponds with the last thousand years of the full seven thousand years for this heaven and earth to exist.
9 Circumcision of the flesh = reality of the circumcision of the heart to discard your sinful nature (foreskin of the heart), and free you from sin.
10. Abstinence from foods = reality to not yoke together with unbelievers, for the behaviors of unclean animals symbolize the behaviors of ungodly men.

As such, in fulfilling the reality foreshadowed by a shadow command, a command is then satisfied/obeyed/fulfilled. I have a study on this here, Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God .

And so, when asked what I am, I declare myself to be messianic Jew, because even according to Paul, a true Jew is one that is "inward", even though I do not observe shadow commands as an ordinary Jew who does not believe in Jesus Christ would.