The Unconditional Love of God

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There is enough evidence that there is a supreme creator. All that is left is to accept it or deny it. Your choice.
A) that doesn't answer the question

B) what is this evidence?
 

1joseph

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I am? No matter how bad either of my children might or could ever get, I will never want to torture them throughout eternity. No one could offend me enough to wish that upon them. Oh yea, that's right, love is not easily offended. I guess that is only for us, not God of course.
Should God allowed those who don't like him now, on earth, to be in his presence for eternity?
 
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I am? No matter how bad either of my children might or could ever get, I will never want to torture them throughout eternity. No one could offend me enough to wish that upon them. Oh yea, that's right, love is not easily offended. I guess that is only for us, not God of course.
Keeth, why do you call yourself a Christian?
 
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MadParrotWoman

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Should God allowed those who don't like him now, on earth, to be in his presence for eternity?
Or indeed why would they want to be with someone they hate or disapprove of so greatly?
 

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Maybe their like me, and have more sense than to worship a being that would create countless billions of people knowing that He would be tortuously burning most of them in Hell throughout the endless ages of eternity. While telling them He loved them at the same time. Can you tell me what Satan or anyone or thing else has done which is more evil than this? I don't think so.
You claim to be Christian but you do not believe in the Christian God? You would blame God for the consequences of sin?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Imagine through some freak occurrence, it turns out Ganesh is the one true god.

You've never believed in Ganesh, Ganesh has never revealed himself to you and there was no evidence for you to even consider that he might be real.

Ganesh then sends you to be tortured forever because you didn't believe in him.

Under the circumstances.. Is that divine justice? Would you accept it as fair punishment?
People are not lost because they have not heard of the one true God. They are lost because they are in sin.
 

1joseph

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what is this evidence?
Romans 1: 18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
 
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keeth, it must be beyond believe for you to accept that a multitude of people Love you
so much more that you love yourself at this time of your life -
but, we all know that untold loving miracles await to refute and aliviate your misery and pain.
we rejoice in your future awakening!
 
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Should God allowed those who don't like him now, on earth, to be in his presence for eternity?
He will not allow them to be in His presence. In fact He will not allow them to be at all. They will receive exactly what they deserve, which God alone knows, in the Lake of Fire. After which, they will not be. They will perish as the scriptures say so many times. God is just, not a psychopathic sadist seeking eternal vengeance upon all who choose to be without Him.
 

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Not going to answer the question then?
Since you are not a believer I do not expect you to understand anything of a spiritual nature because you are devoted exclusively to dyadic reasoning. You have no idea what faith is or how to reason from scripture.
 
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Maybe their like me, and have more sense than to worship a being that would create countless billions of people knowing that He would be tortuously burning most of them in Hell throughout the endless ages of eternity. While telling them He loved them at the same time. Can you tell me what Satan or anyone or thing else has done which is more evil than this? I don't think so.
This statement tells me two things.....Maybe three things...

1. Oblivious of the word of God
2. Rejecting the word of God
3. The rocks in my drive way have more sense
 
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People are not lost because they have not heard of the one true God. They are lost because they are in sin.
And have rejected the one true God and the narrow path that leads to life I.E. Jesus and the cross...!<------FAITH :)
 
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Keeth, why do you call yourself a Christian?
Because I have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Savior from death, not eternal torment. I would not worship God if I believed in eternal torment.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Jo 5:10 ¶ He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Maybe their like me, and have more sense than to worship a being that would create countless billions of people knowing that He would be tortuously burning most of them in Hell throughout the endless ages of eternity.
Then I guess we can count you among the "burners," hm? You're choosing to go to hell be refusing to believe in the salvation of Christ. See? It's your choice, not His.

While telling them He loved them at the same time.
Oh, but He does love you!
2 Peter 3, NASB
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Can you tell me what Satan or anyone or thing else has done which is more evil than this? I don't think so.
Yeah. He told you it is evil for the Creator of this world to judge and punish those who do not live according to His simply rules -- Love God, Love others. He created the world, He has every right to govern it as He sees fit.

If you speed, you get a ticket from a cop. Whine about it, you might go to jail. If you beat your wife, you go to court and get jail time, a fine, and court-ordered counseling. Whine about it, you might do a year in county. You kill you neighbor, you'll do anywhere from 10-to-life. Whine about it, you'll do most of life rather than some of 10. That's justice. Don't love God, and don't reflect that love to others, die in your sin and go to hell. It's all justice. Whining that justice is "evil" doesn't make it evil. It is still justice.