The Unpardonable Sin

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When Paul taught the gospel to the gentiles, how did he know that they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. He told the disciples that they were baptized just as we were. Mind you that Paul was not present on the day of Pentecost, it happened after. So how did he know, they spoke in tongues, that's how. and to deny Him after that is the unpardonable sin.
Kerry Paul wrote this.... 1 Cor 8:13.... Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

When Peter stopped eating the meat when the Jews arived why did Paul not practice what HE PREACHED? Eating that meat will make the Jewish brothers offended....

If you understand the rest of the Scripture that PAUL was to be the ONLY APOSTLE to go to the Gentiles, then you will understnad how God SEPERATED the two FLOCKS OF SHEEP.... EACH with its own set of paths...

There were NO SIN COMITTED AND NO ONE SINNED.... it was a lesson on OUR BEHALF to understand the two SHEEPFOLDS THAT WOULD BE MADE ONE!...

The JEWS and the GENTILES are ONE IN CHRIST, not ONE WHILE THEY ARE ON THE WAY TO BE IN CHRIST. Paul was allocated to be the foundation of the GENTILE CHURCH, and PETER for the JEWISH CHURCH... It is iin Scripture, The TWO SHOULD NOW BE BUILD ON ONE FOUNDATION... They are TWO SHEEPFOLDS....

They will be MADE ONE, but only AFTER THEY WERE BOTH BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ON GOD'S TIME....

Jesus said he had another flock and the flocks will be made ONE.... but ON HIS TIME... And if you know God you would know when that happens.... ONLY PAUL SHOULD TALK TO GENTILES.... That was the Lesson...
 
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Getting back to the subject, The only one here that is even close was Cobus. Most of you should concern yourselves with practicing God's word, humbling yourselves and loving others. It is only a person who lives in the Kingdom of God who could blaspheme the Holy Spirit. If you do not continually live in God's perfect peace and love and Joy and comfort it is not possible for you to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

This sin is the same sin Satan and the angels that chose to follow him committed. They knew God fully and rejected Him. I live in Christ. The kingdom of God is at hand. It is in your midst. I have entered into it by God's grace. I long for each of you just as God longs for each of you to enter into His kingdom also.

I do want to be clear about some things. There is a difference between living in God's kingdom here and now and salvation.
Salvation is certainly possible without living in God's kingdom in this lifetime. You can be a member of God's kingdom without living in it in the power of God which is available to each of us through Jesus sacrifice for us. There are many however who hope they are saved yet condemn themselves with their own words. For at whatever point of the law you judge another you will be judged by your own words.

Our society puts names on people considered to be particularly heinous. We call them animals, pedophiles, perverts, child murders, slanders rapists...we call them monsters and many other things. I hear these things all the time and what I think is; Jesus came into this world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. Many on this site declare homosexuals to be a threat and condemn themselves. We are saved by grace and mercy it should be very clear to all of us that if we do not give this same grace and mercy to all others we are rejecting the same grace that saved us. God demonstrated His love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Jesus told us clearly; Go and do as I have done for you. Before we can proclaim the Gospel of the kingdom of God we must live in Christ and in God's kingdom.

We are to exemplify God in this world. We must practice forgiveness just as we received forgiveness. Freely we have received and freely we must give. I forgive every sin I see coming from any of you. I offer forgiveness to anyone for anything at anytime no matter what that sin is because I stand by grace through faith. I must love others as God has loved me. Meaning I must give all who are still sinners living in the flesh the same grace and mercy God has given me because if I do not, I become a hypocrite and condemn myself.

I pray that each of you could know the perfect amazing power and beauty and peace and joy and comfort that come to anyone who will humble themselves before God and practice HIs word trusting God in all things.

God's peace and grace be with you all
 

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"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men." Matthew 12:31. I would encourage reading this in context, I was just focusing on this one. What is blasphemy, and why is it that the blasphemies toward anyone else except the Spirit forgiven? I'm just putting this out there, because I'm interested in what others think.
OK, understand that all the truth on any subject is not found in just one passage...

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

With that ground rule in place, let's look at another passage...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Sinning wilfully is doing despite to the Holy Spirit. What is wilfull sinning? Seems like we want to sin and our will is to sin when we sin. Is every sin wilfully sinning?

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

There are sins that are not unto death. What would that be?

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Our Advocate, our High Priest is Jesus Christ. When we go to Him in repentance and seek His intercession for our sins with the Father, we are forgiven. This si a sin that is not unto death, it has been forgiven and once forgiven is gone...

Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

So what is the unpardonable sin...

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

We do this by going to God and seeking Him, asking for the renewing of our minds...

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

And presenting ourselves as living sacrifices, willing to do whatever God asks of us.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

We can grieve the Holy Spirit by continuing in these evil practices without remorse or desire to stop. This is wilfull sinning. Doing as we please without trying to change, whithout trying to do this...

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Wilfull sin is simply going the way of the Devil, our own human nature and the way of the world without thought of going God's way or even caring. A very cogent comment was made to me many years ago, "If you are owrried that you have committed the unpardonable sin, you most likely have not."
 
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Many people have done so on this forum, however they have done unknowingly. To have the Holy Spirit and then to willingly deny Him or His existence, this is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You cannot do this unless you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Although I wonder about those whom God has shown them the light but yet refused. I'm not sure about those. I still think you must have received and then deny to fall under this damnation.
I feel I have offended the lord beyond forgiveness because I have attempted to speak in tongues but I did so in fleshly tongues not in real. I know there a true gift of tongues and baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, but I got mislead by an internet article that said , how to speak in tongues and told you to start moving your lips , so I did and said incoherent words out of my mind ,,,, which is incorrect,The fear inside me is eating me away . Can this be forgiven?
 
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Outside of total rejection of salvation, the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the only unpardonable sin spoken of in the New Testament. The fact that Jesus irrevocably damns those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost further attests to the divinity of the Holy Ghost and the teaching of the trinity.
The word "blaspheme" means "1. To speak of (God or a sacred entity) in an irreverent, impious manner. 2. To revile; execrate". In context, Jesus was saying that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is attributing the working of the Holy Ghost to the devil.

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people in the Bible did this, including Saul, who became the Apostle Paul. However, we see in 1Ti 1:13 that Paul said he received mercy concerning his blasphemy because he had done it "ignorantly in unbelief." Therefore, the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost that Jesus was warning against must be willfully reviling the Holy Ghost with knowledge of what is being done.

This parallels Heb 6:4-6 where qualifications are placed on who can fall away from grace. That passage shows that only a mature Christian can commit such a thing. Likewise, with blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, rash statements spoken against the Holy Ghost in ignorance or unbelief by those who don't really know what they are doing can be forgiven.

From our human perspective, no clear line can be drawn as to when people become accountable for blasphemies and have committed this unpardonable sin. We can be assured that God knows the hearts of all people and that He will have righteous judgment concerning this. However, God's Word does show us that when people become "reprobate," they lose all conviction from God (Ro 1:28). Therefore, those who are convicted and repentant over having possibly blasphemed the Holy Ghost have not yet reached the place where it is unpardonable, or they wouldn't care.
 
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Reading the entire book of Job might comfort a person on just how much it takes to blaspheme the Spirit.
Job doesn't condemn other people in God's name to the degree that he tries to condemn himself.
And his latter state is greater than his former.
 
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Is there any relation between attempting to speak in tongues in the flesh and The Unpardonable Sin?. Some people I have talked to, they mentioned that if you speak in tongues in the flesh you commit this sin which is unforgivable. Please if you don't believe in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues as evidence don't reply me.
 
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A few things to notice.

what did they do?

They claimed jesus did the power by satans power. not the HS power.. thus they were claiming the HS was satan.. and the words jesus said, given by the HS were lies.

They had already commited blasphemy of the spirit. Yet jesus said they were in danger.. why?? we all do it, every time we reject christ. the danger is dieing in this state. if you die having never recieved the gospel. you die having blasphemed the HS.. and this sin will not be forgiven.

all other sin is forgiven, because christ paid for it. Double jeopardy works in eternal courts also.
 
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With further research, I do believe the blasphemy is giving credit to Satan for what the Holy Spirit has done. As I have read the verse in context. I also came upon this verse in Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." This has become very helpful to confirm that yes, it's someone who has received salvation and the baptism in the Holy Spirit who is capable of blasphemy. Also giving credit to Satan for the signs and miracles that is clearly from the Holy Spirit. Everyone's input is very helpful. Thank you.
 
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With further research, I do believe the blasphemy is giving credit to Satan for what the Holy Spirit has done. As I have read the verse in context. I also came upon this verse in Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." This has become very helpful to confirm that yes, it's someone who has received salvation and the baptism in the Holy Spirit who is capable of blasphemy. Also giving credit to Satan for the signs and miracles that is clearly from the Holy Spirit. Everyone's input is very helpful. Thank you.
If I see someone healed and falsely attribute it to satan, can't I repent and be forgiven of that? You might believe this, but I don't.
 
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If I see someone healed and falsely attribute it to satan, can't I repent and be forgiven of that? You might believe this, but I don't.

I believe it only pertains to someone who has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit. That's what I believe the scripture is saying anyway. I'll pray and search the scriptures more. If I'm not understanding this right then the Lord will show me, but until then this is how I understand what He is saying.
 
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I feel I have offended the lord beyond forgiveness because I have attempted to speak in tongues but I did so in fleshly tongues not in real. I know there a true gift of tongues and baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, but I got mislead by an internet article that said , how to speak in tongues and told you to start moving your lips , so I did and said incoherent words out of my mind ,,,, which is incorrect,The fear inside me is eating me away . Can this be forgiven?
Most definitely my brother, I know I said that many here have done this. Yet they were just mocking, but some have experienced The Holy Spirit and then have rejected Him. But I will remind people that when Elijah was taken up, that some young men started to mock Elisha saying " go up you bald man". Mocking the act that The Holy Spirit had just performed and Elisha commanded three she bears to kill them. You just don't play with the Holy Spirit. It must be done knowingly and willingly.
 
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Kerry please share with us the day you recieved the Holy Spirit. You say some here did receive (or experience the Holy Spirit) but they rejected Him, Please explain how this happened.

I really need to understand how one RECEIVE the Holy Spirit, and what happens after that. Please share how you received Him.
 
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Let me just show you people this as well.... There aer two types of sin, and yet they are the SAME sin, but done in different CONDITIONS or STATE OF HOLINESS.....


God says we can pray and ask forgiveness for one, sin that leads not unto death. But we are not to pray fr sin that leads unto death, IT WOULD NOT BE FORGIVEN....


1 John 5:16 and 17... If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

All unrighteousness is sin.... and some people sy we cannot be without sin EVER, but just how stupid will it be to pray for forgiveness for your brother if you yourself is in need for forgiveness? And did God not say he heareth NOT SINNERS... Maybe that is why a CLEAN brother should pray for me, but there are no clean brothers.... VERY CONFUSING....


There is A SIN unto death... God says we should not pray for it.... Ah! ALL unrighteousness is sin and there is A SIN not unto death.... Do you see what I see... there is A SIN, and A SIN. Same thing, one is unto death the other not....That means SIN is unto death ot it is NOT!

When sin is unto death.... NO REPENTANCE, No forgiveness....
Sin NOT unto death..... REPENTANCE, and FORGIVENESS....
Should I pray for a brother that DOES NOT WANT TO STOP SINNING? Even if God shows me his heart, and it is a STONY, BLACK, WET and COLD HEART... I will pray. like Paul did.... May

And to Confirm this Doctrine the next verse says it ALL.... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
 
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Kerry please share with us the day you recieved the Holy Spirit. You say some here did receive (or experience the Holy Spirit) but they rejected Him, Please explain how this happened.

I really need to understand how one RECEIVE the Holy Spirit, and what happens after that. Please share how you received Him.
I received the free gift of the baptism in the Holy Spirit 20 years ago, the second Sunday in August. I know that I received this free gift, because as I was praying and asking for Him. I began to speak in a language that I have never heard. Jesus became more real to me than ever before. I began to understand the word like never before.

Have you ever seen the tv show amazing facts. This guy, was raised Pentecostal, say's he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Yet now he rejects it. He teaches nothing but law and law can save no one.

I will also point you to the Methodist Church. The pentecostal movement came from them. The Assembly of God sprang out the move of the Holy Spirit in the Methodist Church. Now they dent Him and are dead as a door nail. I drive by a Methodist church every day. They have become so spiritually blind that they are teaching yoga and don't realize that it is a pagan religion. Now there sign says they are teaching swing fusion dance. It angers me every time I drive by. If you are Methodist I love and pray for you.

Tell me where what I said is wrong.
 
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Cobus

I am not the judge (thank God). Only God knows the heart. God revealed Himself to Pharaoh, yet he still rejected Him and left know hope for salvation. The plagues were carried out and performed by the Holy Spirit. You can spit in the face of Jesus and be saved. But, we cannot deny the Holy Spirit once we have known Him.
 
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I believe it only pertains to someone who has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit. That's what I believe the scripture is saying anyway. I'll pray and search the scriptures more. If I'm not understanding this right then the Lord will show me, but until then this is how I understand what He is saying.
The unpardonable sin is listed in the gospels of Mathew and Mark and both accounts are essentially the same.

First notice that Jesus says:
28Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; Matt 12:28
Jesus affirms that all sins can be forgiven, even uttering of blasphemies can be forgiven. So the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not a sin that can be uttered. Secondly, any sin I can commit can be forgiven and I really want to stress as hard as I can that **ANY** sin can be forgiven. No sin that any of us can commit is beyond redemption. If I murdered 6 million Jews in horrible ways, as Hitler did, it can be forgiven. Even if I utter that satan is casting out satan as the jews did, this too can be forgiven.

Now if all sins can be forgiven, how is it possible to commit the unpardonable sin? We can assume that the Pharisees that are accusing Jesus of working with satan and being a socerer, are guilty of this unpardonable sin. Even so we just found out that even uttered blasphemies can be forgiven.

So what is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Easy, it is the rejection of Christ. It is the rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit that calls us to repentance. This means that every soul in hell right now is guilty of committing the unforgivable sin. The Pharisees had hardened their hearts against Jesus and rejected the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
 
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The unpardonable sin is listed in the gospels of Mathew and Mark and both accounts are essentially the same.



First notice that Jesus says:
28Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; Matt 12:28
Jesus affirms that all sins can be forgiven, even uttering of blasphemies can be forgiven. So the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not a sin that can be uttered. Secondly, any sin I can commit can be forgiven and I really want to stress as hard as I can that **ANY** sin can be forgiven. No sin that any of us can commit is beyond redemption. If I murdered 6 million Jews in horrible ways, as Hitler did, it can be forgiven. Even if I utter that satan is casting out satan as the jews did, this too can be forgiven.

Now if all sins can be forgiven, how is it possible to commit the unpardonable sin? We can assume that the Pharisees that are accusing Jesus of working with satan and being a socerer, are guilty of this unpardonable sin. Even so we just found out that even uttered blasphemies can be forgiven.

So what is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Easy, it is the rejection of Christ. It is the rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit that calls us to repentance. This means that every soul in hell right now is guilty of committing the unforgivable sin. The Pharisees had hardened their hearts against Jesus and rejected the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
My brother or sister which ever, I beg to differ with you many people have rejected Christ only later to accept Him.

Matthew 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

1 Thessalonians 4:8He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holySpirit.

Matthew 12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

You cannot do this unless you have known the Holy Spirit.
 
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My brother or sister which ever, I beg to differ with you many people have rejected Christ only later to accept Him.

Matthew 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
1 Thessalonians 4:8He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holySpirit.

Matthew 12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

You cannot do this unless you have known the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps I was not clear or failed to mention a key part?

The unpardonable sin is rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit and dying in a state of unrepentant and/or not accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
 
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The cross is the answer and will always be the answer. Ask God for the Holy Spirit, He will not deny that request. It is a free gift. Just as salvation is. However once you receive please don't back track. That is the danger. However if you are lead by the Spirit, we have nothing to fear. That is why the Paul would say greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. Please all you ask God for the baptism in the Holy Spirit. He will tell you if its right or wrong or will trust a man?