The Washing of Feet and the Communion

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Which commands should we literally follow?

  • Communion, Baptism, and Washing of Feet

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Communion and Baptism

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Communion

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Baptism

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • none (they were intended as object lessons)

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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AgeofKnowledge

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#41
Here we go again. More legalism and Phariseeism. Humans just CAN'T seem to tear themselves away from engaging in it.

John 6:53 - So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

Do you literally eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood? Where is the corpse? Do you have Jesus's corpse stored in an icebox in your garage? You can't have the life Jesus offers unless you eat the actual flesh of his body as a cannibal because you are a legalist thinking like a Pharisee.

OBVIOUSLY, Jesus was not advocating for cannibalizing his body (which would be a sin) but RATHER inviting listeners of His message to enter into spiritual union with him... specifically to enter into God's kingdom.

Augustine of Hippo put it like this: "The hard saying cannot be taken literally since it would seem to be enjoin a crime or a vice. It is therefore a figure, bidding us communicate in the sufferings of our Lord, and secretly and profitably treasure in our hearts the fact that his flesh was crucified and pierced for us.” Elsewhere he sums the matter up in an epigram: Crede et manducasti, “Believe, and thou hast eaten.”

Bernard of Clairvaux explains it like this, “he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life” as meaning “he who reflects on my death, and after my example mortifies his members which are on earth, has eternal life—in other words, ‘If you suffer with me, you will also reign with me."

The Bible states Jesus himself can thus be called the life (1:4; 11:25; 14:6), the giver of living water (i.e. life-bestowing water, 4:14), and living bread (6:33f.). To receive Jesus by believing in him (3:36; 6:29) is to receive the bread of life, and to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus (an expression in which many scholars see an allusion to the Lord’s Supper) is to partake of eternal life (6:54).

Capesh? Maybe not in your case. Let's move on anyways for the benefit of everyone else.

The footwashing is a drama of Jesus’ act of sacrifice on the cross, and Peter’s response represents the reaction of believers. The disciples are made "clean" (13:10) by their acceptance of Jesus and his death for them. Where we find the vertical dimension of the gracious act of service of Christ in his death for us, we also tend to find an emphasis on loving and caring for the community (e.g., Mk 10:41–45; Phil 2:1–11; 1 Pet 2:21–25).

Indeed, Jesus’ rebuke of Peter’s attempt to resist the gift offered in the foot washing (13:8), and then his overreaction to it (13:9), is difficult to understand unless we see that Jesus is rejecting Peter’s attempt to draw distinctions between himself and the community. The humility that Jesus is pressing on Peter is both to accept the gracious gift of service from the Master and to accept a common human need for the same gift.

In this sense the link made between the betrayer and the footwashing is not accidental (13:11, 18–19, 21–24). The stories of Peter and Judas (see Judas Iscariot) are deliberately interwoven (note the similar technique in Jn 18:12–27 and Peter’s role in the trial of Jesus). As Peter represents the community of faith, Judas represents those who reject Jesus’ sacrificial gift and its concomitant demand for service to others. Not to accept Jesus’ death for us is to betray him, to leave the community of faith and embrace the darkness (13:30).

The example Jesus gives the disciples in washing their feet (13:12–20) is the pattern of sacrificial and costly service. The key word for this service is agapē, given in the command that disciples should "love one another" (13:34–35) and thereby witness to the world.

The Johannine writings are not concerned with specific ethical actions and make no reference to the care of the poor and the outcast. This is in part because John writes to a community which is itself being cast out of the synagogue and is already dispossessed (cf. 9:22; 12:42–43; 16:1–2). But it is also because John is content to paint the big picture and only imply the details. Christ served his disciples and others in utter humility—even at the cost of the cross—so his disciples’ lesser deeds of love and sacrifice for those in need are fitting witnesses to the Master (13:35).

Jesus wasn't telling every Christian for all time that unless they go around with a towel and a bucket of water literally washing each other's feet they can't get to heaven!

You can choose to engage in foot washing if you like. You're free to do that. But, you don't earn brownie points because you engage in ancient rituals for legalistic reasons.

Furthermore, when you judge Christians for not engaging in ancient rituals for legalistic reasons you break many of Jesus other commandments and act in a Pharisaical manner which Jesus had strong words against. When you attempt to deny someone God's salvation because they don't get down on their hands and knees with a wet towel and wash your feet, you've fallen into gross theological error and are sinning against Christ. Salvation is not dependent upon foot washing rituals.

Invoking theological errors made by the Catholic Church doesn't help you. Are you even a member of the Catholic Church?

So easy to understand. So intuitive. But so hard for a few.


Does the great commission have a "promise" attached?

Didn't Jesus say if you love me, you would obey my commandments?

just wondering
 

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Bookie but even the water bassptism should be done RIGHT then.... At least JOhn the Baptist was a HOLY MAN OF GOD. Filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. John HAD no sin, NONE! When he baptized people with water there were NO SPIRITUAL BAPTISM YET....

But then let us look at John the Baptist.... Hos parents were NON SINNERS... holy people.... God declares them ...And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

And John was declared the greates man that will ever come from floesh man and woman.... yet any one who is baptized into the KINGDOM of God is greater than John as prophet and baptist... So you see even the ONE that was sent to prepare the way, is not close to what the one is that receives the baptism into KINGDOM. The Holy Spirit is the KINGDOM ON EARTH... Where the Spirit is is the Kingdom, where the Kingdom is you will find the Holy Spirit.... And In HIS KINGDOM is NO SIN!

So even a baptist should be without sin, or it is just two sinners playing gospel in the water.... If the baptist cannot baptize with Spirit, I want NO PART of that man. John the baptist himself admitted.... I baptize with water for forgiveness of sin, but He that comes after me will baptize with FIRE AND SPIRIT.... That is the baptism all saints go trough.... And the Living Waters by the WORD is waht now wash their sins away.... The water lost ALL the day Jesus was baptized. Jesus fulfilled ALL baptisms with water there... And look what happened AFTER,..... Jesus did not baptize ONE MAN with water,.... WONDER WHY?

However He did baptize THOUSANDS with Spirit..... so what is the ONE BAPTISM on EPH 4.... FIRE AND SPIRIT, or water?

I vote FIRE AND SPIRIT.... there is no other baptism, required or commanded or saving a sinner.... Only ONE Baptism saves... The one Jesus does, and that is NOT with water....
John the Baptist did have sin, he doubted.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#43
Is Cobus still going on about Cobus being sinless, John the Baptist was sinless, etc...?

I can tell you for a fact that Cobus has sinned for he sinned against me here on CC badly in a Oneness thread like one of the pit bulls turned loose on a bear in a bear baiting show (me being the bear of course).

I'm not sure where the strong delusion came from in his mind that he is perfect without so much as a single sin when he's shown on CC that he's a sinner like everyone else alive today. Maybe someday he'll share if this is a psychiatric condition he struggles with, he was raised with a warped theology, or exactly what the problem is.

Reread Romans 3 here: Romans 3 - God’s Faithfulness - What advantage, - Bible Gateway

Now understand the Bible is talking about John the Baptist and his parents in in the same way it speaks of Noah, etc... Permit me pull the cover off the confusion using scripture. Focus...

The New Testament uses righteousness in the sense of conformity to the demands and obligations of the will of God, the so-called ‘righteousness of the law’ (Gal. 3:21; Phil. 3:6, 9; cf. Tit. 3:5).

Human attainment of righteousness is at points relatively positively viewed (Lk. 1:6; 2:25; Mt. 5:20), but in the end this attainment in all men falls short of a true conformity to the divine (Rom. 3:9–20; Lk. 18:9–14; Jn. 8:7).

In contrast to this human unrighteousness stands the righteousness of God (Rom. 1:17) which in consistency with Old Testament understanding conveys the thought of God’s active succour (e.g. help or assistance especially in time of difficulty) of man in the miracle of his grace.

This righteousness is proclaimed by Jesus as a gift to those who are granted the kingdom of God (Mt. 5:6). By faith in Jesus Christ and his work of atonement man, unrighteous sinner though he is, receives God’s righteousness, i.e. he is given a true relationship with God which involves the forgiveness of all sin and a new moral standing with God in union with Christ ‘the Righteous One’ (Rom. 3:21–31; 4:1–25; 10:3; 1 Cor. 1:30; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9).

This is why John the Baptist considered himself unworthy of even carrying (Mt 3:11) or untying (Mk 1:7; Lk 3:16; Jn 1:27) Jesus’ sandals, a task usually reserved for slaves (cf. 1 Sam 25:41; Jn 13:6–7). He KNEW he was not morally perfect and utterly sinless as Jesus Christ is.

It is the gift of God’s righteousness which involves entry into the new realm of divine salvation, the gift of eternal life under the reign of God (Rom. 6:12–23; 2 Cor. 6:7, 14; Phil. 1:11; Eph. 4:24). It's not something earned by sinful human beings (even when Biblical authors view their human righteousness in positive terms as explained above).

Hence the extrinsic righteousness imputed through the cross finds inevitable expression in the intrinsic righteousness of a life which in a new way conforms to the will of God, even though the ultimate realization of this conformity must await the consummation of the kingdom (1 Jn. 3:2; Phil. 3:12–14; 1 Cor. 13:12f.; 2 Pet. 3:11–13).

Capesh?
 

p_rehbein

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AgeofKnowledgestates:

Here wego again. More legalism and Phariseeism. Humans just CAN'T seemto tear themselves away from engaging in it.

[there is nothing legalistic or such as you state, that is simply your prejudicial opinion, nothing more]

Jesus wasn't telling every Christian for all time thatunless they go around with a towel and a bucket of water literally washing eachother's feet they can't get to heaven!

[nowhere in this thread have I CLAIMED any such thing as what you are implying. Once again, your prejudicial disdain is revealed by your misrepresentation of others comments. It is not about “brownie points, it is about being obedient to Jesus, sad that you can not understand that.]

Invoking theological errors made by the Catholic Church doesn't help you. Are you even a member of the Catholic Church?

[another shining example of prejudicial ignorance. Did you even read the commentary concerning all the various churches that celebrate foot washing? No, I am not Catholic FYI, nor do I act in disobedience to Jesus, rather I choose to obey Him]



So easy to understand. So intuitive. But so hard for afew.

[well, goodness, AT LEAST you got this part right. So how is it that someone who considers themselves “knowledgeable" NOT UNDERSTAND “so ought you?”]

Before you try to belittle others believing they have a splinter in their eye, maybe you should spend time contemplating that mote in yours?


 

p_rehbein

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But there is absolutely no indication that foot washing was ever practiced as part of worship ceremonies or as a ritual. It was something to be done as a pragmatic gesture. Do you always wash the feet of people who come to your house? According to your reasoning, you ought to do so.
Do you always celebrate Communion with the people that come to your house? Do you always water baptize all the people that come to your house?

By your logic.........."you ought to."
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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p_rehbein, it is legalistic, ignorant, and false to insist that people go around with a wet towel washing each other's feet or they are disobedient to Christ's commandments and don't really love him. That's the answer to your question.

Pointing out that Catholic theology isn't perfect is not a "shining example of prejudicial ignorance" but rather a fact. Learn the difference between the two (e.g. prejudicial ignorance and a fact).

As for pulling logs, let me send over a lumber company to help you out... lol. I think we're done here. Chow.
 

p_rehbein

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p_rehbein, it is legalistic, ignorant, and false to insist that people go around with a wet towel washing each other's feet or they are disobedient to Christ's commandments and don't really love him. That's the answer to your question.

Pointing out that Catholic theology isn't perfect is not a "shining example of prejudicial ignorance" but rather a fact. Learn the difference between the two (e.g. prejudicial ignorance and a fact).

As for pulling logs, let me send over a lumber company to help you out... lol. I think we're done here. Chow.
Don't blame you for your lack of understanding......it's not your fault. Odd that you can't come up with Scriptural support for your prejudicial belittlements.......odd indeed. Can't help but misrepresent others comments can you? Wonder why?

Reference Catholic Theology as if it is the ONLY group who celebrate foot washing is certainly prejudicial. For your clear intent is to dismiss any and all as being nothing more than ignorant believers who follow Catholic Theology. That is a clear act of prejudicial ignorance.

It is you who entered this thread belittling and berating those you disagreed with, so, why would you expect to not be served a dose of your own?

Here, let me give you another dose.......aw, never mind, hate to waste good retorts, and it would clearly be a waste.

I would suggest you spend some sincere time studying the idea of "sanctification."

CHOW? yeah, it is supper time......
 
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You can google foot washing, and you may be surprised to learn that it is not as uncommon as many believe it to be.

Also, there is no "shame" involved, but great humility is certainly required. Humility and Christian love.

:)
I suppose "shame" was the wrong word. "Uncomfortable" was the image I was trying to portray.
I respect your church for following this command, as it shows consistency in following the commands of Christ. Personally, I am not convicted that I must follow either of these commands literally or regularly, but I am not opposed to participating in such traditions, if not just for the symbolic value alone.
I feel like it shows inconsistency when any certain church glorifies a sacrament to the point of mandatory (or even just regularity), and then doesn't apply the same respect to a parallel sacrament.


I see where crossnote is coming from when he spoke of a promise: a covenant is that same a promise, so Jesus said, this is a new promise in my Blood. I am not convinced that connecting the cup to the Blood Covenant means that it is more important the the other command given, but I see why crossnote said what he said.
 
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John the Baptist did have sin, he doubted.
I will show you how you blaspheme God with this judgment... WOW! Read the Post on John the Baptist/NONSINNER. I will post it as soon as I am finished, oh my friend please ASK GOD FOR WISDOM.... you make so many fasle statements... Man please Go to God and let HIM appoint you to what He has in store for you....

Bookie read the post when I send it PLEASE it will give you much insight....
 
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It's easily discernible from my many posts that I'm both intelligent and educated in the Christian worldview. Distorting what I said into a string of false accusations and assertions, as you've done here, reveals a character flaw within you that has zero to do with me.

For one who complains about people putting words in their mouth, you certainly do it here. I never made the assertion that Catholics are the only religious organization in the world whose theology incorporates foot washing. That's a distortion of what I said. It's a lie you're making up which makes you a liar if it's deliberate and not just a mistranslation between what the sender intended and what the receiver interpreted which happens commonly on informal discussion boards.

I'm well acquainted with the word sanctification and looking forward to you catching up with a wet towel in hand foot washer.

Chow is a word we used in the military when we were off to the chow hall for either a meal or just to get a cup of coffee. You should have asked. But then that would be the right thing to do.

Are you finished yet or would you like some more correction?

Of course you would. Lol. ;)


Don't blame you for your lack of understanding......it's not your fault. Odd that you can't come up with Scriptural support for your prejudicial belittlements.......odd indeed. Can't help but misrepresent others comments can you? Wonder why?

Reference Catholic Theology as if it is the ONLY group who celebrate foot washing is certainly prejudicial. For your clear intent is to dismiss any and all as being nothing more than ignorant believers who follow Catholic Theology. That is a clear act of prejudicial ignorance.

It is you who entered this thread belittling and berating those you disagreed with, so, why would you expect to not be served a dose of your own?

Here, let me give you another dose.......aw, never mind, hate to waste good retorts, and it would clearly be a waste.

I would suggest you spend some sincere time studying the idea of "sanctification."

CHOW? yeah, it is supper time......
 

Bookends

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I will show you how you blaspheme God with this judgment... WOW! Read the Post on John the Baptist/NONSINNER. I will post it as soon as I am finished, oh my friend please ASK GOD FOR WISDOM.... you make so many fasle statements... Man please Go to God and let HIM appoint you to what He has in store for you....

Bookie read the post when I send it PLEASE it will give you much insight....
I go to God every day Cobus.

John 1:8,
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.


Proverbs 20:9,
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?


Romans 3:10,
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

Romans 3:23,
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

John's the Baptist doubt. Is not doubt a sin?
Matthew 11:2-3

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of[SUP][a][/SUP] his disciples [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?”

Cobus, your threats of me blaspheme God fall to the ground, I content you don't know what blaspheming God is. I content that Satan has muddled your understanding of God and His word. I do not know why I even respond to you anymore, for you don't read the bible as a whole and seek it's meaning and application.

When the bible calls one righteous beside our Lord and God, it means they don't live a lifestyle of sin, wickedness: it doesn't mean they never sinned or won't sin. They don't go out and purposely sin.
 

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Our righteous, my righteous, comes from my faith in Christ, that comes from God by faith, not the work Christ is doing with in me. Christ bought me with His blood, a transaction took place; Christ took my sin and placed on Himself and He gave me His righteous, because I, nor you, or anyone, can attain Christ's pure righteous on our own.

Philippians 3:8,9;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTE: It's easily discernible from my many posts that I'm both intelligent and educated in the Christian world view. Distorting what I said into a string of false accusations and assertions, as you've done here, reveals a character flaw within you that has zero to do with me.

RESPONSE: In the world view quite possibly, how about in His View? Been no evidence of this so far. Have not distorted anything you said/posted, and have not made false accusations…..any honest read of the comments here will show who has done such as that. Your words speak for themselves.

QUOTE: For one who complains about people putting words in their mouth, you certainly do it here. I never made the assertion that Catholics are the only religious organization in the world whose theology incorporates foot washing. That's a distortion of what I said. It's a lie you're making up which makes you a liar if it's deliberate and not just a mistranslation between what the sender intended and what the receiver interpreted which happens commonly on informal discussion boards.

RESPONSE: Typical of you, once again you misrepresent my comment. Reading comprehension is truly an art I suppose. And now I’m a “liar?” Oh, but, wait, you aren’t belittling or such are you? Typical.

QUOTEYOUR COMMENT #41: Jesus wasn't telling every Christian for all time that unless they go around with a towel and a bucket of water literally washing each other's feet they can't get to heaven!

You can choose to engage in foot washing if you like. You're free to do that. But, you don't earn brownie points because you engage in ancient rituals for legalistic reasons.

Furthermore, when you judge Christians for not engaging in ancient rituals for legalistic reasons you break many of Jesus other commandments and act in a Pharisaical manner which Jesus had strong words against. When you attempt to deny someone God's salvation because they don't get down on their hands and knees with a wet towel and wash your feet, you've fallen into gross theological error and are sinning against Christ. Salvation is not dependent upon footwashing rituals.

Invoking theological errors made by the Catholic Church doesn't help you. Are you even a member of the Catholic Church?


RESPONSE: Your comments serve to do nothing but prove you were engaging in distortion of my comments, intentional or otherwise. It is clear for anyone to read and understand. Nothing in your comment #41truly represents ANY of my comments……..that is DISTORTION.
From the very beginning of your commentary on this thread, you have responded in a belittling and berating manner to any who disagree with you. That is simply Truth. Pretend what you wish, it doesn’t change the Truth. In no comment have I stated that foot washing was necessary for salvation, nor did I suggest that Jesus did. You distort to belittle, is that lying? You clearly chose to use the Catholic Church to assert your view, just as I stated. You CHOSE to do that, so now you OWN your choice.

QUOTE: Chow is a word we used in the military when we were off to the chow hall for either a meal or just to get a cup of coffee.You should have asked. But then that would be the right thing to do.


RESPONSE: Really? Well, so much for your “discerning intellect,” you don’t even recognize sarcasm when you read it? And, even in this, you distort. I’m the one who “used” CHOW to refer to a meal, you “used” CHOW to represent good by. Maybe you should read your comment again?

QUOTE: Are you finished yet or would you like some more correction?

RESPONSE: What a joke……..The fact that you would even entertain the idea that you are capable of “correcting” anyone is sure to cause a tidal wave of ROTFLOL.

Well, at least you don’t suffer from esteem issues……given your inflated impression of yourself eh?

Want to continue with the “slings and arrows” approach? It’s clear you have little, if any, concept of Christian fellowship and common courtesy when conversing with others.

And, as yet, you have failed to provide Scriptural evidence to support your assertions concerning foot washing. Wonder why?

 

p_rehbein

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I suppose "shame" was the wrong word. "Uncomfortable" was the image I was trying to portray.
I respect your church for following this command, as it shows consistency in following the commands of Christ. Personally, I am not convicted that I must follow either of these commands literally or regularly, but I am not opposed to participating in such traditions, if not just for the symbolic value alone.
I feel like it shows inconsistency when any certain church glorifies a sacrament to the point of mandatory (or even just regularity), and then doesn't apply the same respect to a parallel sacrament.


I see where crossnote is coming from when he spoke of a promise: a covenant is that same a promise, so Jesus said, this is a new promise in my Blood. I am not convinced that connecting the cup to the Blood Covenant means that it is more important the the other command given, but I see why crossnote said what he said.
Thank you for your comments LT. :) And for this thread (even given the fussing 'n' such,) because it is a good topic to discuss among believers who can do so with Christian love and respect for others.

I am well aware of how celebrating foot washing can make people "uncomfortable," because I can remember the very first time I participated in such a celebration. It is a "humbling" experience, but, then, that is the "lesson" to be learned is it not? Christian humility? My goodness, just imagine how one would feel IF they had been one of the 11 on that night that Jesus knelt down to wash their feet?

Regardless of the "spats," let me say that you simply need to study and pray, and decide for yourself if you should literally participate in such ceremonies. As for the frequency, that IMO is open to the congregation to decide. My church celebrates foot washing during the Wednesday night service before Easter (we call Resurrection) Sunday. This is the only time we celebrate the ceremony. We celebrate Communion at least once a Quarter, but that can vary from congregation to congregation. Now, neither is a celebration unto salvation, but both were celebrations given to us by Jesus Himself, and we celebrate them in obedience to Him and in honor of Him.

Some will say that it was only for the disciples.....but, are we not ALSO His disciples? Some will say that the disciples didn't teach or celebrate foot washing because there is no scripture to support that they did. Jesus not only taught foot washing, both HE and the DISCIPLES celebrated foot washing did they not? Scripture is there for all to read. As for there not being other scriptures where they taught this to the various church's they established, one can ALSO say "well there is no scripture to say they didn't teach it."

Ask those who deny foot washing if they believe the disciples were water baptized. Point out that there is no scripture that says they were. The most common response from them will be "well, there's no scripture that says they weren't." Funny how people cherry pick which scripture/commandment they are "comfortable" with, and find ways to justify them, and cherry pick which they are not "comfortable" with, and find ways to deny them. As for me, Jesus taught it to His disciples. To believe that it was ONLY for the 11 disciples and not the Church is to believe in a "Two Gospel" Bible. I do not. I believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ is for ALL of His Church. All of His disciples, of which we are.

As I said, celebrating foot washing is not about salvation, it's about being obedient to Jesus, and honoring Him, and fellowshipping with other believers, and practicing Christian humility. It's about love.

Again, thank you, and God bless you.
 
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Now you're just blathering to protect your ego p_rehbien as you continue to make false assertions about my posts which I don't have time today to refute because I have more meaningful things to do. Time for a wrap. Keep water warm and don't drop the towel. Chow.
 
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And fetch my socks... lol.