The Week Of The Olivet Prophecy

[DaveWatchman]

Luke 20 tells us that the events in question occurred in the Passover week, Jesus's last week in human flesh. Actually, Passover is 8 days, so 'week and a bit'.

Reading the Olivet (Temple) Prophecies, it strikes me that they are three accounts, maybe on consecutive days.

Day 1 - Luke: Jesus talks to the crowds (but one or more apostles hear)

Day 2 - Mark: One of Peter, Andrew, James or John, who maybe heard on the first day, prompts Jesus again. Jesus again replies, and then later, these 4 disciples grill Jesus on the Mt Of Olives where they sleep

Day 3 - Matthew: Now all the disciples have heard about yesterday's discussion, and the news is so violent and important that they prompt Jesus again, and then later they all quiz him back at the Mt Of Olives

I think that what you have here is not a bad idea. There's too many differences for these accounts to be given at one single sitting. What I think about it is that these all happened within one big 24 hour day that began in the morning with Jesus sitting down inside the Temple in Luke 21 looking up to see a poor widow putting money in the treasury.

Then nearing the end of that same day, Matthew 24 begins with Jesus leaving the Temple Mount and beginning a 25 minute hike down across the Kidron Valley and up to where He lodged on the mount called Olivet. Matthew 24/25 begins in the evening and is the true discourse. Luke 21 is not. It's more like the day of the discourse, inside the Temple.

Matthew 24 is an apocalyptic prophecy written in the architecture of one, like the prophecies in Revelation. Luke was written in the style of a Day of the Lord prophecy where the writer describe the events in a rear and far scenario.

Matthew 24 sticks with a tight chronology as apocalyptic prophecies do. Luke 21 is splits the narrative into thirds, like Isaiah 13 where the prophet begins at an historical event and then seems to peer down through the millennia to the final end time Day of the Lord event.. Luke starts off like Matthew 24 at our end times, but for some reason Jesus stops at verse 12, "but before all this", and talks about the 1st century destruction of Jerusalem. Then at verse 25, "and there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and stars", He resumes back with our end times.

My reason of interest in this originally was to figure out if the Abomination of desolation was the same thing as Jerusalem surrounded by armies. And I do not believe that they are.

"And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet. And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him.
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But at night He went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[J7]

Green = Luke
Red = Mark
Blue = Matthew



21 He looked up and saw rich people putting their gifts into the treasury; 2 he also saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. 3 He said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; 4 for all of them have contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”
13 As he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him,
24 As Jesus came out of the temple and was going away,


5 When some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said,
“Look, Teacher, what large stones and what large buildings!”
his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple.


6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”
2 Then Jesus asked him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.”
2 Then he asked them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.”


3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple,
3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives,


Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately,
the disciples came to him privately, saying,


7 They asked him, “Teacher, when will this be, and what will be the sign that this is about to take place?”
4 “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign that all these things are about to be accomplished?”
“Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

 

[J7]

Yes, defo. Doesn't have to be separate days necessarily.

I think that what you have here is not a bad idea. There's too many differences for these accounts to be given at one single sitting. What I think about it is that these all happened within one big 24 hour day that began in the morning with Jesus sitting down inside the Temple in Luke 21 looking up to see a poor widow putting money in the treasury.

Then nearing the end of that same day, Matthew 24 begins with Jesus leaving the Temple Mount and beginning a 25 minute hike down across the Kidron Valley and up to where He lodged on the mount called Olivet. Matthew 24/25 begins in the evening and is the true discourse. Luke 21 is not. It's more like the day of the discourse, inside the Temple.

Matthew 24 is an apocalyptic prophecy written in the architecture of one, like the prophecies in Revelation. Luke was written in the style of a Day of the Lord prophecy where the writer describe the events in a rear and far scenario.

Matthew 24 sticks with a tight chronology as apocalyptic prophecies do. Luke 21 is splits the narrative into thirds, like Isaiah 13 where the prophet begins at an historical event and then seems to peer down through the millennia to the final end time Day of the Lord event.. Luke starts off like Matthew 24 at our end times, but for some reason Jesus stops at verse 12, "but before all this", and talks about the 1st century destruction of Jerusalem. Then at verse 25, "and there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and stars", He resumes back with our end times.

My reason of interest in this originally was to figure out if the Abomination of desolation was the same thing as Jerusalem surrounded by armies. And I do not believe that they are.

"And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet. And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him.
​

But at night He went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Bookends]

Luke 20:1
And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

'Those days' refer to the days of the Passover Feast I believe.

Why add to it, "one of those days" could simply mean it was one of those days He taught.

Remember that when the book was originally written by Luke, there were no chapters and verses assigned to it. So then, lets look at 19:47: "[FONT=&quot] And He was teaching daily in the temple. But the chief priests, the scribes, and the leaders of the people sought to destroy Him, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]48 and were unable to do anything; for all the people were very attentive to hear Him."

[/FONT]And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

 

[loveme1]

Now if what you is consider is so and they are seperate and not different accounts of the same Teaching... What will this change for you if anything?

And if it be different accounts of the same Teaching because we know that each elaborate from different witnesses to bring more what will it mean to you.

 

[J7]

Why add to it, "one of those days" could simply mean it was one of those days He taught.

Remember that when the book was originally written by Luke, there were no chapters and verses assigned to it. So then, lets look at 19:47: "And He was teaching daily in the temple. But the chief priests, the scribes, and the leaders of the people sought to destroy Him, 48 and were unable to do anything; for all the people were very attentive to hear Him."

And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

For some reason I thought the Passover week started with Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey. Is this incorrect?

 

[loveme1]

J7.... I am seeking to understand... for I had not known of Olivet Prophecy by such a name and only by Reading the Scripture and being taught by the Holy Spirit know the Teaching as part of the Messiah's Testimony.

I often consider that many believe things are fulfilled and will not be keeping watch.

Knowing GOD is always Wise and True.. we must know that certain things are given to keep us from deception.. and friends.. The Messiah gave us signs that no man can deceive you if you hold fast.

im sure I'm babbling now but... if the man thought the thief had come and gone he will not keep watch.

 

[J7]

Now if what you is consider is so and they are seperate and not different accounts of the same Teaching... What will this change for you if anything?

And if it be different accounts of the same Teaching because we know that each elaborate from different witnesses to bring more what will it mean to you.

I just cannot see Luke as the same as Mark and Matthew. It is a completely different location. If it was an eyewitness account of the same event, I am no lawyer, but I think it would be thrown out of court.

But for the sake of the question.

It does not change much substantially, although usually God has a reason for everything.

I think the accounts are far easier to untangle if they are viewed sequentially; it makes it much easier to understand the disciples' unique question in Matthew, which otherwise doesn't actually make any sense at all if all three accounts are supposed to be of the same event.

And like I have said, if Jesus delivered the same message three times, it shows us how important the prophecy is, which is huge.

Also, when you think of the Temple itself, it is both the same and different, insofar it is built to the same template. Curious how there have been two same but different Temples, and possibly a 3rd coming, and Jesus gave the same prophecy three times - again, same, but also different.

 

[Bookends]

For some reason I thought the Passover week started with Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey. Is this incorrect?

You are correct, but I don't see why we should assume that the Olivet Discourse was during that week. The passover week was probably near. But I was just saying/suggesting that "those days" are referring to the days "Jesus taught" at the temple and not referring to the "passover week" days.

Also, I fail to see why it matters. My take, more or less, is Jesus was more likely in hiding and with His disciples during the week of the passover, up until the proper time of His apprehension by the Jewish leaders.

 

[J7]

Passover was a time for clearing sin (yeast) out of the house.

That is why Jesus cleared the Temple during passover.

During Passover, those with the bloody cross on the lintel were saved, those without destroyed.

The same paradigm for the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Bookends]

Green = Luke
Red = Mark
Blue = Matthew



21 He looked up and saw rich people putting their gifts into the treasury; 2 he also saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. 3 He said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; 4 for all of them have contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”
13 As he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him,
24 As Jesus came out of the temple and was going away,


5 When some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said,
“Look, Teacher, what large stones and what large buildings!”
his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple.


6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”
2 Then Jesus asked him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.”
2 Then he asked them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.”


3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple,
3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives,


Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately,
the disciples came to him privately, saying,


7 They asked him, “Teacher, when will this be, and what will be the sign that this is about to take place?”
4 “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign that all these things are about to be accomplished?”
“Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Seems to there is enough evidence for me to place all three accounts at the same event. If they all said the exact same thing then there'd be more evidence for "collusion" among the authors then for actual truth of how they each heard and saw it.

 

[Bookends]

Passover was a time for clearing sin (yeast) out of the house.

That is why Jesus cleared the Temple during passover.

During Passover, those with the bloody cross on the lintel were saved, those without destroyed.

The same paradigm for the destruction of Jerusalem.

refresh my memory, where does it say Jesus cleared the temple during passover?

 

[Magenta]

During Passover, those with the bloody cross on the lintel were saved, those without destroyed.

A bloody cross on the lintel? Could you show us chapter and verse, please?

 

[loveme1]

I just cannot see Luke as the same as Mark and Matthew. It is a completely different location. If it was an eyewitness account of the same event, I am no lawyer, but I think it would be thrown out of court.

But for the sake of the question.

It does not change much substantially, although usually God has a reason for everything.

I think the accounts are far easier to untangle if they are viewed sequentially; it makes it much easier to understand the disciples' unique question in Matthew, which otherwise doesn't actually make any sense at all if all three accounts are supposed to be of the same event.

And like I have said, if Jesus delivered the same message three times, it shows us how important the prophecy is, which is huge.

Also, when you think of the Temple itself, it is both the same and different, insofar it is built to the same template. Curious how there have been two same but different Temples, and possibly a 3rd coming, and Jesus gave the same prophecy three times - again, same, but also different.

I thank you for coming and sharing this.

 

[Bookends]

A bloody cross on the lintel? Could you show us chapter and verse, please?

I think he is referring to the passover in Eqypt in the time of the ten plaques.

 

[Magenta]

I think he is referring to the passover in Eqypt in the time of the ten plaques.

Yes, I know what he is referring to

I want to see where Scripture says they put a bloody cross on their lintel.

Can you show me where they shaped the blood into the form of a cross?

 

[Bookends]

Yes, I know what he is referring to

I want to see where Scripture says they put a bloody cross on their lintel.

Can you show me where they shaped the blood into the form of a cross?

lol. I give up.

 

[J7]

A bloody cross on the lintel? Could you show us chapter and verse, please?

[FONT=&quot]Exodus 12: 23 For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.[/FONT]

 

[J7]

refresh my memory, where does it say Jesus cleared the temple during passover?

[FONT=&quot]Matthew 21:12[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,[/FONT]

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[DaveWatchman]

refresh my memory, where does it say Jesus cleared the temple during passover?

Matthew 21:12
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

There's a chart at Bible org that has it on Monday of the Week.

It has the Olivet on Tuesday.


https://bible.org/article/chronology-synopsis-passion-week