The Wheat and the Chaff

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His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire. Matt 3:12 RSV
In society, even our churches, we see the "wheat" and the "chaff" going together about their business. There comes the day the Lord passes judgment. The chaff receives its just punishment, while the wheat is free to continue about its business.
 
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In society, even our churches, we see the "wheat" and the "chaff" going together about their business. There comes the day the Lord passes judgment. The chaff receives its just punishment, while the wheat is free to continue about its business.
this is basically correct...but i think that the parable of the wheat and tares is about the world but not the church...whereas the parable of the dragnet is about the church butnot the world...
 
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The wheat and the chaff are talking about sanctification. What did John the baptist say. I indeed baptist you in water, but there comes one after me who will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and fire. The Holy Spirit removes from us the things that are displeasing to God. The acts of self are the chaff and if we allow Him, He will remove them from us. Just as gold or brass is refined in the fire.
 
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this is basically correct...but i think that the parable of the wheat and tares is about the world but not the church...whereas the parable of the dragnet is about the church butnot the world...
I think there is a mix of humble people (the wheat) and prideful people (the tares) in the church.
 
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Whatever the case....Come, Lord Jesus!!
 

KohenMatt

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I actually think you're all correct. The wheat and the chaff exists in us and in the world, which oftentimes exists in the church in well. There is a time and a place to remove the chaff, or the weeds. But that is according to God's time and His word.
 

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Gee, all these different 'her-men-you-ticks'.
 
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The chaff out number the wheat. Sad but true.
 
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He is being sarcastic. Hermeneutics is concerned with biblical interpretation.
Thanks. I didn't see it so much a matter of biblical interpretation, as I did a matter of biblical understanding.
 
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The wheat represents Christians, Those who are baptised with the HS.

the Chaff represents those who reject Christ, Will be baptized by fire (that shall never be quenched, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth)


John is saying he baptizes in water, But his baptism does not really matter, what matters is how we are babtized by Christ, we have a choice, Holy Spirit, where he will gather the wheat into the barn (heaven) or fire, where he will burn it with the fire which will never be quenched (hell)
 
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The wheat represents Christians, Those who are baptised with the HS.

the Chaff represents those who reject Christ, Will be baptized by fire (that shall never be quenched, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth)


John is saying he baptizes in water, But his baptism does not really matter, what matters is how we are babtized by Christ, we have a choice, Holy Spirit, where he will gather the wheat into the barn (heaven) or fire, where he will burn it with the fire which will never be quenched (hell)
But keep in mind that there are people among us who would lead us to believe they are baptized with the Holy Spirit, when in fact they are not. People in the highest places, even in our churches, are sometimes not what they appear.
 
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But keep in mind that there are people among us who would lead us to believe they are baptized with the Holy Spirit, when in fact they are not. People in the highest places, even in our churches, are sometimes not what they appear.
I agree, there is alot of chaff in our churches, they had them in the NT era too. Read james, John speaks of people leaving who were never part of the church, Paul fought judiazers his whole ministry, Jude spoke of the licentious creeping in the church.

It will always be that way,
 
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I agree, there is alot of chaff in our churches, they had them in the NT era too. Read james, John speaks of people leaving who were never part of the church, Paul fought judiazers his whole ministry, Jude spoke of the licentious creeping in the church.

It will always be that way,
[6] And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, `This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
[7] in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'
[8] You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men." Mark 7:6-8 RSV
 
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Thanks. I didn't see it so much a matter of biblical interpretation, as I did a matter of biblical understanding.
Interpretation (or lack of) of the Bible and biblical principles is often what created the wheat and the chaff. Consider certain church constitutions which interpret certain concepts in the Bible as being one thing, but God's providence is negated in the mindset of those who follow the letter of the church law. For example, note that most church constitutions only allow members of that local church to perform certain church duties like music ministry or teaching. Their reason: to preserve "biblical purity" within the church and its ministries. In essence, to prevent the chaff from having any kind of stronghold or opportunity to divide within the church. These same churches are directed by humans, ministering to humans, and often judged by humans with only one aspect making it a church... the profession of faith that God is our savior. Yet many of these churches believe that a man must "choose to accept God". With the ideology that we as sinful humans can choose to do anything good at all, let alone unto salvation, comes legalism, bitterness, conflict, division, and impotence (spiritually). A simple faith and recognition that God will save whom He will save, and that He opens a sinners eyes to the need of him is the dividing line between the wheat and the chaff. If someone TRULY believes that God is provident they are the wheat and the chaff are simply inevitably present scenery in the field.
 
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He is being sarcastic. Hermeneutics is concerned with biblical interpretation.
Thanks. I didn't see it so much a matter of biblical interpretation, as I did a matter of biblical understanding.
I wanted to clarify that I was disagreeing with his statement, and not yours, Danschance. I don't think we are meant to "interpret" the words of Jesus. We are meant to "understand." The word "interpretation" suggests to me that we are allowed to interpret his words in multiple ways, and then choose which way we PREFER to interpret. Certainly, there is only one valid interpretation to his messages. We might understand his words differently as we grow more mature, but we are not free to pick and choose how to interpret what he tells us.
 

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[h=3]Psalm 1:4[/h]

[SUP]4 [/SUP]The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
 
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this is basically correct...but i think that the parable of the wheat and tares is about the world but not the church...whereas the parable of the dragnet is about the church butnot the world...

Wheat and tares grow in the same field. If the tares were pulled up, it would also uproot the wheat. Consider the falling away. In order to fall, it has to be up first, and away means it had to be close first. I believe that this all pertains to the church. The Wheat is the Masters crop, but not everyone that attends church regularly is a Christian. Considering the chaff, it takes wind (Holy Spirit) to separate.


Matthew 13:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.